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reply posted on 22-12-2008 @ 11:34 AM by Aldolas
Originally posted by missvicky
reply to
post by saint4God


[...]Besides, King Samuel consulted a soceress who rsised up Daniel's spirit who in turn busted King Samuel for seeking her out!
Not to pick on you personally, but I've noticed that in these types of discussions, anytime a Christian enters in, the tone becomes argumentative rather than explorative. [...]

It was King Saul that asked the witch (from Endor I think) to raise the Prophet Samuel's spirit!
I should know,

BB,
Samuel


reply posted on 22-12-2008 @ 11:35 AM by asmeone2
reply to post by Skyfloating



I do appologize, I did not see that you had already answered that.



reply posted on 22-12-2008 @ 11:36 AM by asmeone2
reply to post by Skyfloating



He still strikes me a very arrogant man, even beyond his curtain, which I do not think is conducive to attaining enlightenment.


reply posted on 22-12-2008 @ 11:39 AM by missvicky
reply to post by ravenshadow13



Thanks Ravenshadow13. I don't usually participate in religous arguments. In my opinion none of it is proveable anyway, it's personal belief and experience. so it's ridiculous to argue. But to have a discussion of what's possible, or what are others experiencing, or trying new ideas or practices in order to grow as aperson, hey I'm your gal!


reply posted on 22-12-2008 @ 11:41 AM by missvicky
reply to post by saint4God



Yes, you are right. I stand corrected. Thank you!



reply posted on 22-12-2008 @ 11:47 AM by missvicky
reply to post by saint4God






Originally posted by missvicky
Yes, I did stop there. Evidence that yes, people were doing it.



Doh, you missed the best part...and, there was a moral to the story.



Originally posted by missvicky
Yes, I am serious, I have read that and thought it an interesting observation. The older equal armed cross is a symbol of balance. The Christian cross is not in balance with the souhtern end being longer than the other three.



And therefore means war? You'll read about what's wrong with a Christian symbol but not the second half of what happened to King Saul? Mkay, we all have the right to selectively read, just don't expect the whole picture when doing so.

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The subject at hand is not the moral to the story.

It means an expression of it's warlike nature.(Have you not heard of soldiers for christ? Have you not sung the songs?) It was not offered as a critisim of the symbol, as an observation of the symbol and compared the the symbol of the equal armed cross.


reply posted on 22-12-2008 @ 11:55 AM by Aldolas
reply to post by missvicky


There are 'soldiers for Christ' Soldiers for Islam and I'm sure if the occultists would be more organised I could point at 'soldiers for the Godess' (or similar!). Christianity itself is not a warlike religion!
I grew up a fundamentalist christian and although christians can be downright stubborn, they are (if practicing their religion correctly) the most loving people on earth!
And using occult techniques of symbolism on a christian symbol, is questionable to say the least!


BB,
Samuel


reply posted on 22-12-2008 @ 11:58 AM by Skyfloating
reply to post by Cythraul



oh and one more thing: I agree that Satanism is a by-product of Christianity and Occultism not.


reply posted on 22-12-2008 @ 12:00 PM by Aldolas
Originally posted by Skyfloating
reply to
post by Cythraul

oh and one more thing: I agree that Satanism is a by-product of Christianity and Occultism not.
Sry for quoting entire qpost, this threads moving to fast:

Satnism as opposed to demonology. I Agree!



reply posted on 22-12-2008 @ 12:01 PM by saint4God
Originally posted by Aldolas
I always thought the christian cross came from the ankh. Somehting about newbirth or something??


The ankh was Egyptian, a symbol of life. The Christian cross did not come from the Ankh unless the Romans got the idea of crucifixion by looking at egyptian symbols.

Originally posted by Aldolas
The original Christian symbol was the fish


First Christian symbol was the cross. The fish came later when Christians were being persecuted since it was less known by the Roman authorities.

Icthus history

Originally posted by Aldolas
and Jesus wasn't nailed to a cross,


Yes he was.

"This man was handed over to you by God's set purpose and foreknowledge; and you, with the help of wicked men, put him to death by nailing him to the cross." - Acts 2:23

Originally posted by Aldolas
nor did he actually carry a cross,


Yes he did.

"As they were going out, they met a man from Cyrene, named Simon, and they forced him to carry the cross." - Matthew 27:32

"So the soldiers took charge of Jesus. Carrying his own cross, he went out to the place of the Skull (which in Aramaic is called Golgotha)." - John 19:17

It does not say "beam" but beam is mentioned a few times elsewhere in the Bible when it doesn't have to do with the crucifixion.

Originally posted by Aldolas
and they didn't nail thruogh his hands (the nails would have ripped out) they nailed through his wrists.


Although this makes sense we don't have any definitive proof or texts. This only says:

"So the other disciples told him, "We have seen the Lord!" But he said to them, "Unless I see the nail marks in his hands and put my finger where the nails were, and put my hand into his side, I will not believe it." - John 20:25

Doesn't say hands or wrists.

Originally posted by Aldolas
All above knowledge was acquired during my time in a christian church and has not been researched by me!
If it's wrong, links not bullets please! xD xD xD

Sam


Sure thing.


reply posted on 22-12-2008 @ 12:12 PM by Aldolas
reply to post by saint4God


I know those texts, but it is (according to the argument) impossible for ANY human to actually carry a full size cross due to the sheer weight of the thing! If you've ever carried wood, you'll know what I mean! even a wooden log 6 inch in diameter and 7 foot long has got to be near impossible to carry.
But as I said, I haven't done the research. And yes I know that the Bible calls the construction a cross.
I heard that the cross only became a christian symbol after it became 'in' to be a christian. (Round about the same time as the Jewish-christian Sabbath mysteriously changed to sunday. Several hundred years a.D. And I won't budge on that one! I even held a well researched sermon on that subject many a year ago.) Because the early-christians were basically persecuted from day one.

But thereagain, I'm dragging the subject offtopic again!


Sam
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