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reply posted on 19-12-2008 @ 06:14 AM by IsaacKoi
Section 8.1 : Google searches for government documents

I’ll give an outline below (in Section 8.2) of some sources of government 9/11 documents. However, the specific links change fairly frequently so I think it is probably more useful to start by referring to a couple of useful Google searches.

There are a few tricks that can be used when using Google. Instead of simply searching all websites for a particular term, it is possible to limit the try to limit the search to websites operated by Government agencies. Most websites operated by Government agencies in the USA include “.gov” or “.mil” in their url. A Google search can be limited to such websites by including “inurl:mil” or “inurl:gov” within a Google search, e.g. searching for “inurl:gov 911” or “inurl:mil 911”.

More keywords can be added if you are looking for documents referring to a particular individual or location etc.

However, a glance at the Google search results above will show that they include non-government websites that include “gov” or “mil” in their descriptions.

Slightly better is a Google search which seeks results which end with “.gov” or “.mil”. Such a search can be performed by limiting the search to results from websites with any address ending in “.mil” or “.gov”. This can be done by including “site:*.mil” or “site:*.gov” within the Google search, e.g. searching for “site:*.gov 9/11” or “ site:*.mil 9/11”.

The same method can be adapted to search for 9/11 documents generated by government agencies outside the USA. This webpage provides a helpful list of the Internet domain suffix for a long list of different countries. This helps if you want to do a search for 9/11 documents from an individual country. For example, for material from British military agencies (including the British Ministry of Defence) do a Google search for “site:*.mod.uk”, but most of the results found in this way relate to discussion of the political and security implications of 9/11 rather than the events of that day itself.

If you are only interested in documents originating from Government agencies in the USA, a more efficient and effective method is to use the Google “Government Sites” search function at this webpage. I haven’t seen anyone discuss this Google search function, but it is quite useful. See, for example, the results for a search for “9/11” performed using the “Search Government Sites” button on that webpage for “9/11”.




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reply posted on 19-12-2008 @ 06:15 AM by IsaacKoi
Section 8.2 : Some sources for government 9/11 documents

While UFO websites fairly frequently cite, or exhibit, numerous Government documents it is relatively rare for 9/11 conspiracy theory websites to do the same.

Similarly, while the FOIA (Freedom Of Information Act) websites of quite a few Government agencies include sections relating to UFO documents (due to the number of requests made in relation to such documents), it is relatively rare for government FOIA websites to have separate sections for 9/11 documents.

However, there are a few websites that include interesting collections of documents. I’ll briefly highlight below some of the relevant webpages:




reply posted on 19-12-2008 @ 06:15 AM by IsaacKoi
Section 8.3 : Some specific frequently discussed 9/11 documents

I realize that there is a considerable amount of documentation at the above links. Furthermore, the collections of documents at those websites are far from complete. It may therefore be helpful if I highlight some of the particularly interesting documents and reports generated by, or funded by, various Government agencies in relation to 9/11.

I will include below details of a few of the documents:
(a) most frequently discussed on “truther” websites and in 9/11 conspiracy books, and
(b) most frequently discussed in mainstream books about the 9/11 attacks.

There is surprisingly limited overlap between the document in categories (a) and (b) above. This cannot be explained merely on the basis of any alleged reluctance of mainstream authors and the mainstream media to address facts inconsistent with the official story. While some documents heavily relied upon by conspiracy theorists are largely ignored in mainstream books (e.g. the Operation Northwoods document referred to below), conspiracy theorists appear to ignore many documents that mainstream books place considerable emphasis upon (e.g. the Presidential Daily Briefs referred to below).





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reply posted on 19-12-2008 @ 06:17 AM by IsaacKoi
Section 9.1 Free 9/11 books online

Various lists of recommended books relating to 9/11 conspiracy theories can be found online, particularly on “truther” websites. Many of these are rather biased and/or uncritical about the contents of the relevant books (e.g. see the list on the “War on Freedom” website).

Relatively few of these books are available free online. The position can be contrasted with the position in relation to UFO books, where (as noted in my “Free UFO Researcher Starter Pack”), complete editions of several of the most influential and popular UFO books are now available for free online. The relatively smaller number of 9/11 books online may be due to the fact that they were written relatively recently and are still in print (and therefore copyright is more of an issue than it is with many forty-year-old UFO books that are no longer in print).

However, it is possible to find a relatively small number of complete 9/11 books online, either on the websites of the author (or the website of a truther organization related to the author) or on certain third party websites. In relation to the latter, many of the relevant complete books can be found on the “scribd.com” website. Since that website is well-established and since many of the relevant books have been on there for a significant period, I presume that the books are on that website with the permission of the relevant authors. Relevant books include the following:


  1. The full 9/11 Commission Report.

  2. “New Pearl Harbour” by David Ray Griffin.

  3. “9/11 Synthetic Terror” by Webster Griffin Tarpley.

  4. “War on Freedom” by Ahmed.

  5. “Painful Questions” by Eric Hufschmid.

  6. “America’s War on Terrorism” by Michael Chossoudsky.

  7. “911 Descent into Tyranny” by Alex Jones.

  8. The entire text of the book "Welcome to Terrorland: Mohamed Atta and the 9-11 Cover-Up in Florida" can be read online on this website (which may require you to register if you have not previously done so).


    Limited portions of various books have also been made available online (presumably by the relevant authors to increase awareness of their books) , e.g. chapter 19 (entitled “Wargames and High Tech: Paralyzing the system to pull off the attacks”) of “Crossing the Rubicon” by Michael Ruppert.

    The Google Books service also makes available limited previews of various relevant books, including:


    Several websites include collections of links to free books online about terrorism. While few of these directly relate to 9/11 conspiracy theories, quite a few are indirectly relevant. See, for example, this webpage.


reply posted on 19-12-2008 @ 06:18 AM by IsaacKoi
Section 10 : “Truther” websites and resources

I’ll avoid trying to provide a list of all the 9/11 websites on the Internet. Any such list would be extremely long. However, I’ll provide a few useful links.

A summary of some of the more influential “truther” websites and groups can be found in a Wikipedia entry on Truth Movement organizations.

There are numerous websites that contains long lists of links to groups and webpages around the world. Those lists tend not to be grouped by (or even indicate) which country each group is active within. Some of the more useful lists include:



In terms of the most influential and/or useful truther research groups and websites, I’ll quickly give links to the following websites in alphabetical order:


  • The 911 Blogger – one of the most active truther blogs.

  • The 911 Citizens Watch website still appears on various short-lists online of the best truther websites, but it has been largely inactive for a considerable period and is no longer a very useful resource.

  • The 911docs.net website includes long lists of 9/11 videos online, with some useful rudimentary grouping of videos (e.g. one list for documentaries and another list entitled “9/11 Lectures / Panels / Conferences”), but you need to click on each individual title to get any details.

  • The 911proof website covers a large number of conspiracy theories relatively concisely and organized into various categories, with links to numerous other websites (usually other truther websites) for further reading on each point. On this website, relevant skeptical material is rarely, if ever, acknowledged or linked to.

  • The 911 Reading Room website contains a considerable number of articles from the mainstream media which are relied upon by truthers. This website includes considerably more categorisation than most websites, but so far I have found the 9/11 Terror Timeline created by Paul Thompson and others to be a more useful truther guide to relevant press reports, since that website has more material and can be searched in more ways.

  • The 911research website contains material contributed by Jim Hoffman and others. It is one of the more concise, organized and better referenced truther websites. A very useful resource for truther material (although relevant skeptical material is largely, if not entirely, ignored).

  • The 911review.com website is concise and well-organized, but not as well referenced as several other truther websites, e.g. the 911 Research website.

  • The 911review.org website contains one of the most extensive 9/11 wikis by a truther. Quite a few entries within that wiki are heavily biased. Supporting references are generally lacking. One fairly extreme example of such bias can be found in the 911review entry relating to Flight 77, which states: “Flight 77 is said to have crashed in the Pentagon Attack, but we know that it did not”. This website also contains the 911 Review customized search engine, which searches a large number of 9/11 websites (generally “truther” websites rather than “skeptic” websites) – but can produce many results from rather poor websites.

  • The 911Scholars website is rather confusing to navigate, but contains some interesting and relatively in-depth truther items.

  • The 911summary webpage contains a useful summary of statements by various categories of individuals (e.g. “911 Commissioners”, “Intelligence Professionals”, “Legal Scholars”) relied upon as indicating that the relevant individuals support the 9/11 truth movement and/or question the US government’s account of 9/11.

  • The 911truth website is one of the best organized truther websites, with relatively well structured sections for beginners as well as for research and activism. The links page on 911truth.org, which contains a very long list of truther websites with brief comments on each website. Few, if any, of the comments are critical of anything about the websites mentioned.

  • The ae911truth.org website (“Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth”) is associated with Richard Gage. It contains a 9/11 petition signed by purported architects and engineers as well as various related articles and resources, focused on the collapses of the twin towers and WTC7.

  • The American Free Press website is a highly controversial website. It is used as a source of material for several 9/11 conspiracy documentaries and articles on many “truther” websites.

  • The extensive 9/11 Terror Timeline created by Paul Thompson and others provides relatively easily accessible summaries of information from various media reports (and a few other sources) on individuals and events leading up to the terrorist attacks and America's response. Some of this material was compiled into a book by Paul Thompson, “The Terror Timeline”, which is discussed in this Wikipedia entry. Not all the comments Terror Timeline have been entirely complimentary. For example, one of the (largely skeptical) members of the JREF forum commented in one thread on that forum that: “[Paul Thompson] is frankly an idiot and a charlatan. His Timeline is worse than useless, he does not even the most basic research, and seems incapable of applying simple logic to determine which news article is true and which is false. Instead he puts two conflicting ones together, plays some spooky music, and goes ‘oooh, something doesn't add up’.” Personally, I think that website is a useful tool when looking for summaries of media coverage of certain issues. However, the content of the Timeline should be regarded simply as one tool, or one starting point, rather than taken as gospel.

  • The Fire Fighters For 911 Truth website contains a mish-mash of material. It states that it “will also be listing all firefighters who publicly support a REAL investigation”.

  • The Info Wars website is one of several websites connected with radio personality Alex Jones. Contains numerous articles relating to 9/11.

  • The Journal Of 911 Studies claims to be a “a peer-reviewed, open-access, electronic-only journal, covering the whole of research related to the events of 11 September, 2001”. The co-editors are Steven Jones, Kevin Ryan, and Frank Legge. The website contains numerous articles which are far longer and more detailed than the content of most truther (or skeptic) websites.

  • The Justice for 9/11 contains a petition, purportedly signed by over 16,000 individuals, that contends (amongst other things) that there is “ample evidence and probable cause to believe that many grave and still unresolved crimes were committed by US officials prior to, during and after the events of 9/11”.

  • The website operated by “Killtown” contains a mass of material, including Killtown’s “250+ Smoking Guns”.

  • The Lawyers For 911 Truth website contains a petition purportedly signed by “legal scholars, judges and attorneys” demanding “an end to the 9/11 cover-up, a new, full and unbiased investigation, and punishment of all guilty parties”


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reply posted on 19-12-2008 @ 06:19 AM by IsaacKoi


  • The Oilempire.us website looks rather garish and is not always entirely coherent, but it contains a lot of material and links relating to 9/11 and “peak oil”.

  • The Patriots Question 9/11 website contains quotations attributed to numerous individuals purportedly indicating that the relevant individuals support the 9/11 truth movement and/or question the US government’s account of 9/11. The relevant individuals are separated into several categories, e.g. “Senior Military, Intelligence Service, Law Enforcement, and Government Officials”, “Engineers and Architects”, “Pilots and Aviation Professionals” and “Artists, Entertainers, and Media Professional”. The “Patriots Question 9/11” website has been discussed in some detail by skeptics in this thread on the JREF forum.

  • The Physics911 website claims to represent a “scientific panel investigating 9/11”, comprising Steven Jones, Kevin Ryan and others.

  • The Pilots for 9/11 Truth claims to be an organization of “aviation professionals and pilots” asking for “a true, new independent investigation into the events of 9/11”. Focuses on the four flights that were crashed on 9/11. Includes a forum.

  • The Prison Planet website is one of several conspiracy websites connected with radio personality Alex Jones. The forum associated with this website is discussed in Section 12 below.

  • The Septembereleventh website still appears on various short-lists online of the best truther websites, but it has been inactive since 2006 and is no longer a very useful resource.

  • The stj911.org (Scholars for 9/11 Truth and Justice) website claims to represent “a group of scholars and supporters endeavoring to address the unanswered questions of the September 11, 2001 attack through scientific research and public education”. Relatively clear and concise, but not as comprehensive or well-referenced as some of the other truther websites included in this list.

  • The Visibility 9/11 website includes a collection of podcasts in which numerous members of the “truth movement” express their views in individual podcasts.

  • The WTC7.net website was created by Jim Hoffman and focuses on the collapse of World Trade Center building 7.



reply posted on 19-12-2008 @ 06:19 AM by IsaacKoi
Section 11 : “Skeptic” websites and resources

For a lengthy list of links to skeptic resources, see this webpage by Mark Roberts, particularly the section entitled Notable 9/11 Conspiracy Debunking Websites

I have covered the significant issue of skeptical videos above, in Section 6.4. If you have a 9/11 “truther” documentary and want to watch a video addressing 9/11 conspiracy theories produced by the mainstream media or by skeptics, see Section 6.4 above.

If you have watched the “Loose Change” video and found it persuasive, the views of sceptics directly addressing the content of that video can be found in the following sources (described in more detail above in Section 5, which is devoted to the Loose Change video):



If you have not read any sceptical material about 9/11 then:


For more general and detailed sceptical resources, see:


  1. 911myths – One of the most accessible and comprehensive skeptical websites. It covers a lot of ground. Much of the content is in relatively short discrete sections, in a format that briefly explains the relevant conspiracy theory and then provides comments on the relevant theory. Well written and referenced.

  2. Debunk 9/11 Myths – Not quite as comprehensive as 911myths.com nor are the connections between the content and relevant conspiracy theories always made entirely clear. However, once you are fairly familiar with the basic conspiracy theories and issues arising, this website contains a lot of useful material in a concise format with relevant links to further information.

  3. 911 Guide – Provides very brief and concise summaries of numerous 9/11 conspiracy theories with links to further reading (usually on websites of other skeptics). An extremely useful resource and often a worth a look when starting to examine a specific 9/11 conspiracy theory or topic.

  4. Prominent 9/11 skeptic Mark Roberts has a website that contains many, many links. That website is not necessarily the place to visit for quick answers, but it does lead to some interesting and detailed material. That website is often a starting point, rather than a place at which answers are conveniently packaged. While not immediately apparent, quite a few of the more useful links are to content tucked away on that website itself, e.g. sections linking to resources relevant to the NIST report and structural engineering issues, on World Trade Center Building 7, on Flight 93 and on the Pentagon attack. This website includes a notable entitled Laughing to Keep from Crying: The Lighter Side of 9/11 Stupidity.

  5. Mark Iradian’s “Frequently Stupid Theories” document. This relatively lengthy document (about 78 pages long) lacks a clear structure and is sometimes a bit rambling, but it covers a lot of ground and the content is detailed, well referenced and illuminating.

  6. Screw Loose Change Blog - While some of the blog posts are well-referenced and well-argued, as with many blogs it is difficult to find the best material merely by browsing. Many of the posts on the Screw Loose Change Blog have a rather impatient tone…

  7. 911 Debunker – Focuses on addressing conspiracy theories relating to Flight 93 and relating to the Pentagon attack.

  8. Debunking911 – Detailed treatment of a limited number of 9/11 conspiracy theories, particularly relating to the collapse of the Twin Towers and WTC7.

  9. Journal of Debunking 911 Conspiracy Theories – Rather limited number of articles, but those articles are more in-depth than the content of most other websites.

  10. AE911Truth.info – Describes itself as dedicated to exposing the lies and mistakes of Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth. Useful if you are examining the claims made on the website of the Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth and/or by Richard Gage, but the websites listed above are probably more accessible.


    Various discussion forums relating to 9/11 are summarized in Section 12 below. However, it is worth mentioning in this section that there is one skeptical forum that is often the source of the most detailed discussion of 9/11 conspiracy theories – the the 9/11 section of the JREF forums. Another skeptical forum which focuses on 9/11 conspiracy theories is Screw Loose Change forum, but the Screw Loose Change forum is considerably less active than the JREF 9/11 forum.

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reply posted on 19-12-2008 @ 06:20 AM by IsaacKoi
Section 12 : 9/11 discussion forums online

There is a large forum relating to 9/11 conspiracy theories on ATS. Given the huge number of posts on ATS, a helpful index was created entitled "Forum Reference Index AND Thread for Discussing anything related to 9/11, Pentagon, etc.". While that index is rather out of date, it does contain links to some of the largest relevant threads in the 9/11 discussion forum on ATS. It may be useful if I include a link to an updated list of top 9/11 threads on ATS as sorted by number of views (with the most viewed thread listed first).

The discussion forum on ATS is notable for the fact that it attracts involvement by a considerable number of both “truthers” and skeptics. Most discussion forum relating to discussion of 9/11 conspiracy theories are heavily dominated by either truthers or skeptics. Most of the leading researchers from one camp tend to participate in forums dominated with others from the same camp. (The degree of polarization is even worse than that which exists in relation to ufological forums). Indeed, some truther discussion forums go as far as to have rules requiring skeptics only to participate in relatively small sub-forums or even explicitly excluding skeptics altogether. I am not aware of any skeptic site that has any express rules excluding truthers, but truthers can encounter a considerable amount of ridicule on some skeptic forums which may discourage participation by truthers.

There are many, many truther forums. Some of the most significant are:

  1. The Loose Change Forums - One of the most active truther forums. The forum rules state that a limited number of listed arguments by skeptics will be “either ignored or erased, as they have no merit”, e.g. "too many people would be involved, so your conspiracy is bogus", "all the people involved must be paid off, so your conspiracy is bogus", "you guys are still alive, so your conspiracy is bogus", "our government is too dumb to pull this off, so your conspiracy is bogus". The forum rules also state that “Certain theories perceived as extreme and divisive will be moderated at the discretion of the administration” and that “NPT [No Planes Theory] theories, and support of movies like September Clues, is not allowed in any way. Planes hit the WTC. We refuse to allow that to be disputed on this forum”.

  2. The 911movement.org Forum- One of the most active truther forums. The forum rules state “Members who support the official 9/11 story will only be allowed to post in the OCT section.”

  3. The 9/11 section of the Prison Planet forums – Connected with Alex Jones. Much of the content of the Prison Planet forums relate to discussion of the “New World Order” and related conspiracy theories.

  4. The UK Truth Forum A UK truther forum which (in contrast to most truther forums) extends to various other conspiracy, social and UFO topics (e.g. exopolitics). Many other truther forums studiously avoid discussion of UFOs, or relegate any discussion of them to a relatively small and sub-forum (e.g. Prison Planet has a sub-forum entitled “Off Topic / Faux Controversies / Whining Threads / UFO's”).

  5. The Lets Roll forum- Slightly less active truther forum than those above, but with a relatively extensive archive.

  6. The Breaking News forum - Slightly less active truther forum




    As for 9/11 skeptic forums:

    • There is one forum which stands out - the 9/11 section of the JREF forums. This forum is often the source of the most detailed skeptical discussion of 9/11 conspiracy theories.

    • Another skeptical forum which focuses on 9/11 conspiracy theories is Screw Loose Change forum, but the Screw Loose Change forum is considerably less active than the JREF 9/11 forum.



reply posted on 19-12-2008 @ 07:03 PM by IsaacKoi
Originally posted by thedman
Your catalog seems to be almost exclusively composed of tin foil wearing
loons - case in point Eric Hufschmidt.


If you consider most 9/11 "truthers" to be "tin foil wearing loons", then the sections of my article about the most significant "truther" books and videos will obviously mainly refer to individuals that you consider to be "tin foil wearing loons".

A summary of 9/11 resources and material which did not contain many links to such "truther" websites would not exactly be comprehensive.

One of the reasons for my posting this article is that most truther websites do not give links to many skeptical websites, and vice versa. This article was intended to give links to the most influential and significant material on both sides of the debate.

As for Eric Hufschmid, are you suggesting that Eric Hufschmid (his name doesn't have a "t" at the end) has not been a significant part of the history of the "truth" movement? If so, I think many skeptics and quite a few truthers would disagree. I assume you are familiar with the (skeptic) Screw Loose Change blog referred to repeatedly in my article and the following comments about him in this article on that blog:


Eric Hufschmid was the first American to publish a book about 9-11 Troof, called Painful Questions, which was released in 2002. Eric might be called the godfather of the American 9-11 Truth Movement. And Eric is a Holocaust Denier. ... Eric Hufschmid's work was cited by David Ray Griffin in the New Pearl Harbor, and by Sofia Shafquat and Brad Waddell in 9-11 Mysteries.


Also, the website run by Mark Roberts referred to in your post contains details of a poll of truthers which suggests that Eric Hufschmid's video and book would be included in a short-list of the material best known to truthers.

Mmm. Sounds like most skeptics would consider Hufschmid worth mentioning.



How about this site?

Covers all aspects of 9/11 without the conpiracy loons

wtc7lies.googlepages.com...


Um, I don't know if you noticed but I have already included quite a few links to that website run by Mark Roberts - e.g. near the start of Section 4 (a link to a glossary on his website), in Section 7.1 (a link to a webpage on his website relevant to consideration of the NORAD tapes), in Section 7.2 (a link to a webpage on his website containing information about 9/11 photographs), a link to his website is the first link in Section 11 (Skeptics websites and resources) and there quite a few further links to his website in that section.

I also included:

(1) numerous links to relevant threads on the JREF forum (e.g. in relation to many of the individual "truther" videos),

(2) numerous links tg quite a few other skeptical websites (particularly in Section 5 and Section 11) and skeptical videos (particularly in Section 6.4), plus a couple of links to a customised search engine that I created which can be used to search several skeptic websites at the same time.

Kind Regards,

Isaac

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reply posted on 19-12-2008 @ 08:36 PM by EvilAxis
Many thanks, IsaacKoi, for the considerable work you have put into compiling this resource.

A few questions and observations:

Where do you stand on the 9/11 question? Having researched it in some depth I take it you have arrived at a position. Do you believe it would compromise your credibility as an objective compiler of reliable research sources to declare that position?

You state that “interest in 9/11 conspiracy theories... appears to be decreasing.” I was under the opposite impression but my evidence for this is anecdotal and subjective. Did you base your statement on the number of new 9/11 topics at ATS, a poll, or something more substantial?

I have to challenge you on your use of the term “9/11 conspiracy theories” in reference exclusively to theories that challenge the American Government's theory about the 9/11 attacks. As a student of 9/11 you must know it has been pointed out ad nauseam that the official theory is in every sense a conspiracy theory. The definition of “conspiracy theory” as “only pertaining to suspected wrong-doing by the government and intelligence agencies against the electorate but not pertaining to suspected wrong-doing by outside agencies” serves a propagandist agenda. I'm surprised therefore that you adopt this contentious terminology.

The limp-sounding, made-up word, “truther” is also non-neutral, implying that nobody else is interested in the truth, but I guess we're stuck with this one.

I'm not sure why you gave credence to the largely ad hominem JREF attack on the Paul Thompson 9/11 Terror Timeline. The only substantial criticism it contains is the complaint that Thompson “seems incapable of applying simple logic to determine which news article is true and which is false.” That misses entirely the point of the timeline, which consists of multiple verbatim media reports from diverse sources, many of which evidently misrepresent the facts because they contradict each other. It is left for the reader to judge which these are.

I'm a little surprised also that you encourage researchers to download and install the Google Toolbar. Personally I would advise anyone who values their privacy and security, whether researching 9/11 or their favourite pop star, to steer well clear of it. I won't derail with information on Google privacy issues in general or the toolbar in particular but urge readers to research it themselves. Or read a few posts hence where someone declares “nonsense – he's just spreading paranoia.”

Again, thanks for your efforts in creating this thread. I have a number of other important resources I shall try to post later.





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