ABC says conspiracy web sites are contributing to mental health issues

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posted on Dec, 13 2008 @ 06:28 PM
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Originally posted by blowfishdl
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Two words. Pissing contest. Let's answer this one for you as I see your having some trouble.

Q: Would a paranoid schizophrenic benefit from knowing the 9/11 conspiracy, or would a paranoid schizophrenic become increasingly paranoid knowing the 9/11 conspiracy?


A: A PS would not benefit in any way from knowing of that conspiracy. Unfortunately there is no evidence to show that it would cause his illness to be any worse, better, later, or earlier than if her were triggered by a bad movie poster. You are fundamentally missing what PS is and how it works on people. They do not need real cospiracies to make them paranoid, that is why they are ill. Did you even read my post? What 9/11 website in 1978 was telling people cameras in garbage cans were tracking them? What major U.S. conspiracy theory triggered that?

Now it is my turn.

Do you have any evidence to show and reason for us to believe that someone suffering from paranoid schizophrenia will suffer it in any manner differently depending on exposure to conspiracy theory websites?



A: A paranoid schizophrenic would become increasingly paranoid with the thought that the government would murder 2,000 innocent civilians and government workers to execute a run for a One World Government.


You really need to take a few more course in psychology and maybe a history lesson or two since it was 3000 but hey, I guess it was not that big a deal[/].




posted on Dec, 13 2008 @ 06:32 PM
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Originally posted by ConservativeJack
THEY DO.

Hear me out, if you are a sober person, you never drink or smoke, all you do is go on different websites (from porn to conspiracies) you will GET SICK.

Its just NOT healthy to live like that and I think 99 percent of you guys do.

Not a personal shot, more likely its the facts.

You have to exercise, have a relationship with a female or male if your gay, have hobbies and activities like fishing or hunting or bowling, you have to see movies, otherwise your WORLD becomes silly conspiracy theories that are 99 percent FALSE and just CREATED by some BLOGGER in his moms basement to get a RISE out of you because he NEEDS attention because humans are social animals



You think wrong. I've never had a computer for more than a couple of months and I hadn't even touched one for 3 years until recently, english is not even my first language. But very quickly I was drawn here. And to other sites like this one.

I do manual work, carpentry, stage-hand, fix-it stuff. Recently having returned to college, I needed this @%@!@^@#$ laptop to take a class that was online. I've struggled but I'm gaining some proficency. I'm still pretty young, so it surprises everyone that I'm not skilled with computers, since they are a bigger part of each upcoming generation. Still, I enjoy learning to do new things with it. And this site and others like it are part of something I'm enjoying for the first time.

So, even though I'm new, and may not represent the backround of the mayority of people who post I still know that is not what we have in common. We seek the other possibility. No matter what the subject, you thought differently than you were told to about something. So you come here. Where people are crazy enough to happen upon truth sometimes. Or point out something alarming to them, or interesting to them, all in the context of denying ignorance. I'll be the first to say some of the things I read here I can't stand behind, but I smile when I see the thread cause it STILL knocks the %#$& me that he/she got to post that.

You are talking about internet addiction, in which you conveniently linked the visitation of porn and conspiracy sites. Conspiracy sites are not bad for your health. Ignorance and addiction are.

By the way, I'm pretty sure that I could beat you in a race. I'm pretty sure my girlfriend could too.



posted on Dec, 13 2008 @ 06:34 PM
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Originally posted by angel of lightangelo
Do you have any evidence to show and reason for us to believe that someone suffering from paranoid schizophrenia will suffer it in any manner differently depending on exposure to conspiracy theory websites?


It is not in my opinion that they would suffer any differently, it is in my opinion that exposure to such conspiracies can develop a stronger form of paranoia. The problem generally lies when the individual gains certain aspects of knowledge and applies them in an incorrect manner in everyday life in a way that directly effects them as the target of attack.


Originally posted by angel of lightangelo

Originally posted by angel of blowfishdl A: A paranoid schizophrenic would become increasingly paranoid with the thought that the government would murder 2,000 innocent civilians and government workers to execute a run for a One World Government.


You really need to take a few more course in psychology and maybe a history lesson or two since it was 3000 but hey, I guess it was not that big a deal.


I need to take a few more courses in psychology for what? The answer to the question is plain as day, and you sir feel directly insulted by the ABC article as if you are the individual suffering from a mental illness as a result of contributing to this website.

The number of deaths is not beneficial to either side of the arguement. You need to stop the personal attacks as this thread is not surrounding my intelligence over yours.



posted on Dec, 13 2008 @ 06:38 PM
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the internet is our last refuge, all other mediums have been lost.

We must do everything that we can to save our domain.



posted on Dec, 13 2008 @ 06:41 PM
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Originally posted by blowfishdl
It is not in my opinion that they would suffer any differently, it is in my opinion that exposure to such conspiracies can develop a stronger form of paranoia. The problem generally lies when the individual gains certain aspects of knowledge and applies them in an incorrect manner in everyday life in a way that directly effects them as the target of attack.


Huh? They do not suffer and differntly but they develop a stronger form of paranoia. Well if that stronger form is not manifesting itself in greater suffering, where is it? What is it doing? How do you know it is there since it must not be showin any symptoms if they are not suffering any differently.


I need to take a few more courses in psychology for what? The answer to the question is plain as day, and you sir feel directly insulted by the ABC article as if you are the individual suffering from a mental illness as a result of contributing to this website.


No....this is opinion pretending to be information. There is not one peer reviewed ANYTHING, where are the studies, the stats, the proof, the ANYTHING to back this up? Sorry but as much as I love every crazy new theory, when they do not jive with the actual science at hand as we (well some of us) actually know it, I kinda like something that at leat resembles proof. I know, I so silly.


The number of deaths is not beneficial to either side of the arguement. You need to stop the personal attacks as this thread is not surrounding my intelligence over yours.


The point was if you are going to stand on your own credibility by spouting your psychological study resume at me then you should take responsibility for what you pass of as fact. The fact that 3000 Americans died that day is a really big deal. It is like knowing that people breath oxygen. You could not get that right and I am supposed to just take your word for the fact that this article with no facts in it is true? Why again?



posted on Dec, 13 2008 @ 06:43 PM
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Really? Really guys? A 3 page argument? Thread killers.



posted on Dec, 13 2008 @ 06:49 PM
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I'm not even attempting to spout off like it's a fact first of all. It is most definitely my opinion. The psychology of the internet is still an on going study and the psychology of internet conspiracy websites is obviously a very new subject.

Once more I will re-state to clarify. My OPINION is that a paranoid schizophrenic would suffer from an increasingly intense level of paranoia with video and facts which defend the fact that 9/11 was an inside job.

This is assuming the individual is paranoid of a much smaller situation. For example, a paranoid schizophrenic may believe there are invisible creatures stalking him. Once the idea is implanted that the government is also stalking him and willing to put his life in jeopardy, the paranoia would most likely increase.

This is why I said the individual's mental illness would not take form of an alternative mental illness, however simply increasingly intense mental illness.

The way I see it is if an individual has the intent to hurt human beings, you don't give that individual a gun.

In the same respect an individual whom is paranoid, you should not feed his paranoid.

This is only my opinion, but I do believe it thoroughly to be true.



posted on Dec, 13 2008 @ 07:24 PM
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Originally posted by blowfishdl
reply to post by angel of lightangelo
 


I'm not even attempting to spout off like it's a fact first of all. It is most definitely my opinion. The psychology of the internet is still an on going study and the psychology of internet conspiracy websites is obviously a very new subject.


The psychology of the internet has nothing to do with schizophrenia and it is doubtful it will in any near future.


Once more I will re-state to clarify. My OPINION is that a paranoid schizophrenic would suffer from an increasingly intense level of paranoia with video and facts which defend the fact that 9/11 was an inside job.


and this is your opinion because you do not seem to know much about the disease. I have said from the beginning that your argument is flawed if you even remotely understand the disease but you keep pushing this as some fact you learned in one of your many courses. I was imploring you to go and brush up on the disease and get back to me with some science to back it all up. Explain how the paranoia that can be induced by the internet on a some people would actually effect someone suffering from paranoid schizophrenia. You just keep saying things and they are not true. The quicker you learn that you must know things that are true and then say them, not the other way around, the better off you will be.


This is assuming the individual is paranoid of a much smaller situation. For example, a paranoid schizophrenic may believe there are invisible creatures stalking him. Once the idea is implanted that the government is also stalking him and willing to put his life in jeopardy, the paranoia would most likely increase.


are you at least still in school or did you get any refunds?


This is why I said the individual's mental illness would not take form of an alternative mental illness, however simply increasingly intense mental illness.

The way I see it is if an individual has the intent to hurt human beings, you don't give that individual a gun.

In the same respect an individual whom is paranoid, you should not feed his paranoid.


BINGO! Do not feed paranoid people paranoia. That would only make it worse. I never argued that. That makes too much sense to even bother. Paranoid people and paranoid schizophrenics, unfortunately function very differently on a perception and processing level. They look the same to you, they do not work the same in their head.


This is only my opinion, but I do believe it thoroughly to be true.


There is nothing wrong with believing your wrong opinion. Just fighting publicly for it over and ove seems a bit presumptive.



posted on Dec, 13 2008 @ 07:27 PM
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Originally posted by blowfishdl

So once again, and I open the floor to anyone who is brave enough to answer this question.

Would a paranoid schizophrenic benefit from knowing the 9/11 conspiracy, or would a paranoid schizophrenic become increasingly paranoid knowing the 9/11 conspiracy?



I worked with schizophrenics for 8 years. They come with their own set of specific delusions - mostly centered around "God, Jesus, hell and the like. Some do have the "FBI is following me" stuff as well. However, they have ingrained fixations that keep them too busy to care about what the "real" world is on about. They are already so busy internally that it would be an unlikely event that a conspiracy site would even enter into their internal world. So - IMO - It's likely they would not benefit and likely they would not become increasingly paranoid.

But - clearly this is not the population that this article is targeting.
It is the "other" population.
It is the non-paranoid but possibly "on the fence about conspiracy issues" population
they are targeting.

I agree that like minds can sometimes pull each other into the hole of doom at times - and stretch the imagination... but better that than a head in the sand and a life of denial.

At this stage of the game - let's face it. Anyone who does not question the goings on of the elite have their own brand of mental illness. We just haven't found a name for it yet.



[edit on 13-12-2008 by spinkyboo]



posted on Dec, 13 2008 @ 07:27 PM
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Originally posted by ConservativeJack
Really? Really guys? A 3 page argument? Thread killers.


Really? Really? This is all you posted? What did you contribute other than a one line complainy? We may be arguing but we each at least have on topic posts and each made at least one good relevant point. One line complaints are far more distracting. Especiallyin bold as if they are important somehow.

This is about CT sites and their effect on schizphrenics. Unfortunately, the entire discussion hangs on the validity of the story that spawned it. True? If this is just some crap some guy wrote because he wanted to and there is not one bit of actual facts to back it up, then why bother taking the conversation past there?



posted on Dec, 13 2008 @ 07:27 PM
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Call me insane will you...............
Dastardly fiend..
I resemble that remark...
Wait are you just trying to exert black ops mind control on me...



posted on Dec, 13 2008 @ 07:29 PM
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Originally posted by angel of lightangelo


Originally posted by angel of blowfishdlThis is why I said the individual's mental illness would not take form of an alternative mental illness, however simply increasingly intense mental illness.

The way I see it is if an individual has the intent to hurt human beings, you don't give that individual a gun.

In the same respect an individual whom is paranoid, you should not feed his paranoid.


BINGO! Do not feed paranoid people paranoia. That would only make it worse. I never argued that. That makes too much sense to even bother. Paranoid people and paranoid schizophrenics, unfortunately function very differently on a perception and processing level. They look the same to you, they do not work the same in their head.


So with that said, how can you deny that paranoid schizophrenics would be adversely effected by paranoid conspiracy theories such as those seen on this website?

Your 3 page rebuttal has just been a complete waste of both of our time as you finally admit that it is true, whether that was an accident in your case or not. Also, with the college comments, quit with the cock measuring contest. I'm not interested.



posted on Dec, 13 2008 @ 07:36 PM
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They are afraid that conspiracy sites will cause independent thinking and activate free will.

Remember the original Fathers? They were also feared and I think it turned out pretty good for their efforts.

Lets just continue to deny ignorance and move forward, things are going to work out, without a little chaos and challenge things would just remain the same.

Was our site down today because of the free speech or was it really an unscheduled 'maintenance'? Could this be connected?



posted on Dec, 13 2008 @ 07:39 PM
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Disney owns ABC. they don't want anyone messing with the reality they sell to consumerica.



posted on Dec, 13 2008 @ 07:43 PM
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Originally posted by blowfishdl


So with that said, how can you deny that paranoid schizophrenics would be adversely effected by paranoid conspiracy theories such as those seen on this website?


Did you not read the entire post? I did NOT say what you just tried to paraphrase me saying. Read it again, please.


Your 3 page rebuttal has just been a complete waste of both of our time as you finally admit that it is true, whether that was an accident in your case or not. Also, with the college comments, quit with the cock measuring contest. I'm not interested.


I did not admit or slip up, you failed to understand the entire post. I stated very clearly that paranoid people will be spoled by this but paranoid schizophrenics will not. I went on to explain why but apparently you did not like that part?

I am certainly not bragging. You started offering your credentials by claiming you took some courses. I was simply explaining how if that meant anything, then I win. It does not mean anything. You then have gone on to show a complete lack of understand of the disease and now reading comprehension, so yes, I also have to question just how educated you really are.



posted on Dec, 13 2008 @ 07:52 PM
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Let's make a U-turn back to the subject at hand, which is neither your or my credentials.

-Paranoia is a mental health issue.

-Many subjects brought forth on ATS can cause paranoia.

-Therefor ATS contributes to mental health issues.

The thin line is how an individual reacts to the paranoia. There are obviously individuals who can react very negatively to paranoia. Let's not kid ourselves as though everyone is equally capable in dealing with paranoia in a constructive way.



posted on Dec, 13 2008 @ 07:57 PM
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Originally posted by cindy22761
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I agree... except I think that the WAR against Christians is already happening in the media and definitely on the internet.

Christians will have to be spiritually strong to face all that is coming. It is time for everyone to rely on the Holy Spirit & get back to reading the bible.

To get back on topic...ABC, NBC, CNN & FOX are unhealthy! They brainwash people! I wonder if the push for everyone to go digital in Feb. 2009 is part of a massive brainwashing scheme?

(Oh no... not another conspiracy theory?!)




maybe if christians didn't insist on people GET BACK TO READING THE BIBLE, the rest of us would calm down. stay in your churches and homes and leave the rest of us alone, we simply don't want to live by a mythical beings rules. why don't you GET BACK TO READING SOME HISTORY about how religions have caused some much pain and death to mankind.



posted on Dec, 13 2008 @ 08:04 PM
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Originally posted by blowfishdl
-Paranoia is a mental health issue.


I can fix this sooooo easily. Ready? This might make you a little dizzy so sit down. I am gonna do it David Blaine style and amaze you so fast, here in the street, in front of everyone!

Ready?

Sure?

Here we go.....

Paranoia and paranoid schiziophrenia are two completely different afflictions that manifest themselves in what appear to be that same symptoms as the lead to similar delusions. Unfortunatly, the actual brain function happening between a paranoid person and a paranoid schizophrenic is so completely different that about all they really share is that if you chase them, they both run away.


-Many subjects brought forth on ATS can cause paranoia.

-Therefor ATS contributes to mental health issues.


Exactly what is the disease called that paranoid people suffer from? What mental illness is it? Is it in the same category and vanity and narcissism? This is why I questioned your credentials. Because you say things as if they are a fact. If it is a fact then it will be no problem to explain. I have my copy of DSM 4 here, I am looking. Being the apparent expert that you are, can you point me there?


The thin line is how an individual reacts to the paranoia. There are obviously individuals who can react very negatively to paranoia. Let's not kid ourselves as though everyone is equally capable in dealing with paranoia in a constructive way.


No silly, the thin line is assessment of what actual illness this person suffers from. If it is sarcastic attitude, constant frown face, pees herself when she drinksitis, or paranoi, then it is not a mental issue. It is a personality trait.

Paranoid Schizophrenia is a mental issue. The way it works automatically rules out the premise of the article. I would be happy to try and explain it to you slowly but you claimed to know what you were talking abour. Hopefully you can answer my questions then because I could not disagree more.

P.S. nice dodge on the complete misreading of my post. You did not appologize for falsely calling me our, nor admit you sounded stupid. Good Job, you get a star.



posted on Dec, 13 2008 @ 08:10 PM
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A paranoid person reads a site like ATS and thinks
-"oh my god they are poisoning us and herding us like sheep. Man, everyone is evil. I should move to another country, someday. Oh well, I will just complain about it at work Monday where I know they all think Im a loon anyway for listening to Alex Jones. Oh well, I have my cats."

A paranoid schizophrenic reads a site like ATS and knows for a fact in their head
-"people are bugging my apartment, more than one camera is watching me, someone is outside writing down what I do, they watch everything I do and set up disinformation sites like ATS to mess with me and mame me seem paranoid but I am not paraoid, I just know the truth and the truth is that I KNOW they are all out to get me"

I hope this clears up and differences there. I tried to speak as "layman-like" as possible.



posted on Dec, 13 2008 @ 08:10 PM
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[edit on 13-12-2008 by angel of lightangelo]





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