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posted on Dec, 8 2008 @ 10:44 AM
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I am not sure here, and I have written Leo Donofrio for clarification, but according to the Court's Orders ONLY the application for stay was denied. there is NOTHING on the orders about certiorari.

Whether or not this means that this is over, I am not sure, I hope to hear from Mr. Donofrio soon




posted on Dec, 8 2008 @ 10:51 AM
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Originally posted by kozmo
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What YOU define as "Credible" I do not - that is the MSM. They haven't even covered one single aspect of this. They are complicit in this.

You believe what you believe - I know this as I can see the koolaid stains all over you. I do not have to prove anything to you. If Obama were 1/10th as wise as you think he is, he would have settled this issue months ago. Instead, he has spent millions fighting it? Intelligent people want to know why. What is he hiding?

Again, I hope the SCOTUS is prepared for a landslide of lawsuits over every single document the man signs until this issue is resolved.


riiiiiight

Newspapers are credible

blogs are not

you are a very delusional person. scratch that, you are a very angry person.



posted on Dec, 8 2008 @ 10:52 AM
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Whats really strange is all the Bush supporters were once calling people who said Bush stole the elections and rigged them and is working for the NWO nutcases.
Now someone won the election fair and square and also works for the NWO and pretty much is the same as Bush maybe even worse, now they are angry and making up nutcase theories?

The shoe is on the other foot.
We need to get rid of this shoe.
And stop passing it from foot to foot.



posted on Dec, 8 2008 @ 10:53 AM
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Supreme Court won't touch this case or any similar case with a ten foot pole. They are spineless and fear that people will judge them for interfereing like they did in Gore-Bush. Don't be surorised if one day we do have somebody who is ineligible because future candidates now know that they can release anything and there is nobody that can force them to verify anything.



posted on Dec, 8 2008 @ 10:53 AM
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Leo Donofrio's Public Response:


My application was denied. The Honorable Court chose not to state why.

Wrotnowksi v. Connecticut Secretary of State is still pending as an emergency application resubmitted to the Honorable Associate Justice Antonin Scalia as of last Tuesday. I worked extensively on that application and it includes a more solid brief and a less treacherous lower Court procedural history.

After six days, it’s interesting that Scalia neither denied it nor referred it to the full Court.

My case may have suffered from the NJ Appellate Division Judge having incorrectly characterized my original suit as a “motion for leave to appeal” rather than the “direct appeal” that it actually was. On Dec 21 I filed official Judicial misconduct charges with the NJ Supreme Court and I updated SCOTUS on that by a letter which is part of SCOTUS Docket as of Dec. 22.

On the chance that SCOTUS was looking at both my case and Cort’s case, I will say that Cort’s case does not have the same procedural hang up that mine does. It may be that without a decision on the Judicial misconduct allegation correcting the NJ Appellate Division case file, SCOTUS might have been in the position of not being able to hear my case as it would appear that my case was not before them on the proper procedural grounds.

I did file a direct appeal under the proper NJ Court rules, but the lower Court judge refused to acknowledge that and if his fraudulent docketing was used by SCOTUS they would have a solid procedural basis to throw mine out.

I don’t know if it’s significant that Cort’s case was not denied at the same time as mine. -His case argues the same exact theory - that Obama is not a natural born citizen because he was a British citizen at birth - as I did.

All eyes should now be closely watching US Supreme Court Docket No. 08A469, Wrotnowski v. Bysiewicz.

If Cort’s application is also denied then the fat lady can sing. Until then, the same exact issue is before SCOTUS as was in my case. Cort’s application before SCOTUS incorprates all of the arguments and law in mine, but we improved on mine quite a bit in Cort’s as we had more time to prepare it.

I was in a rush to get mine to SCOTUS before election day, which I did do on Nov. 3. But Cort’s case has a much cleaner lower court procedural history.

I’m not trying to play with people’s minds here. SCOTUS has not updated Cort’s Docket and until they do so there can be no closure.



posted on Dec, 8 2008 @ 10:53 AM
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Originally posted by TrueAmerican
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You know BH, it would be one thing if the SCOTUS had taken the case, done the research, was provided the original long form vault copy, and then came to the conclusion that Obama is natural born. I think I can speak for many here that really just want the same thing- and would be willing to accept that as final. Done deal.

As it stands, I cannot accept this as final. Too many questions remain, and this is the ultimate cop out- refusing to hear the case.

SCOTUS does not have the time to take on every case filed by people that lost their Paxcil prescription. The constitution requires that a candidate be a "natural-born" citizen. It certainly DOES NOT require that the BC be published to the public at large. You people need to pool your money, hire a good constitutional lawyer, and then he will look at your argument, laugh in your face and take your money. The Federal Elections Commission is satisfied that Obama is a "natural-born" citizen. Noboby gives a flip whether you are satisfied or not.
SCOTUS has the power to hear a case, return a case to a lower court, or dismiss a case. That is all part of the "redress" procedure. You don't want to be heard; you want your opinion validated. Too bad!!!



posted on Dec, 8 2008 @ 10:55 AM
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Originally posted by kozmo
Let's be intellectually honest here... His own grandmother said she witnessed his birth - IN KENYA.


In an edited conversation with 2 translators that also included talk about Obama's father, who she could likely have witnessed the birth of.



The Ambassador to the US, from KENYA, stated that Obama's birthplace - IN KENYA - is their biggest tourist attraction.


He has since denied that he said that and said that he was talking about Obama's father. He said that the radio station edited the conversation.



His own sister has given multiple accounts of Obama's birth, citing numerous hospitals.


Can you tell me the hospital your older sibling was born in? I cannot.



He is the FIRST U.S. President who has legally challenged the release of his Birth Certificate - hiring not one, BUT THREE law firms to suppress the release of his LEGAL Birth Certificate.


This is not true. He has not legally challenged the release of his birth certificate. He has ignored demands by lawyers to release the vault copy, but no judge has charged him to release it. And he posted the Certification of the vault copy on the freaking Internet. See the link in my signature to learn more about birth certifications.



Couple that information


That "information" is dubious at best.


We have no history on his citizenship in indonesia.


Exactly! He was never a citizen there.



To say that there is nothing to look into is both short-sighted and outright stupid!


Perhaps they know more than you do. Perhaps they've SEEN more than what's on the Internet. Or maybe it's you who is being short-sighted...



I am looking forward to the SCOTUS being challenged on every single document that he signs as President of the US until this question is answered.


The question has been answered.



I will persoanlly file cases in Ohio for any and every piece of legislation that affects me, as I will then have standing.


Good luck with that.



posted on Dec, 8 2008 @ 10:56 AM
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The problem with Obama is very simple. He was not born in the U.S.A. period. I'm not saying he is a bad guy or even he couldn't be a good leader (I seriously doubt he will be), but he can't legally be the President of the U.S.A.

If he was born in the U.S. he would have came forward and proved his case. The Supreme Court is bought and paid for. It is part of the problem.

Get it through your skull, this has never been about bashing Obama. It is about a corrupt group of rich elite controlling lives without giving us a real say. There was a reason so much time and effort was put into the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution of the U.S.

It was to empower "We the People" of the U.S.A. !!!!! To protect us from the powers that be. Don't lose sit of this fact!!!!



posted on Dec, 8 2008 @ 10:57 AM
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Originally posted by kozmo


Where, exactly, do you get this info? Post your sources. I'm sick of this.


You know, THIS RIGHT HERE is why the 9/11 Truth Movement, UFO researchers, conspiracy theorists, etc. get NO FREAKIN' RESPECT from Mainstream America. Because for every grain of truth uncovered by SERIOUS RESEARCHERS that, if properly investigated, might lead to some serious revelation that changes the World as we know it, there's a dozen or more TOTAL WHACKOS who don't know when to quit and don't know when to pick their battles.

9/11 can be picked apart by people with knowledge of engineering, aviation, foreign relations, etc. There is HARD EVIDENCE (which has been gone over ad nauseum) that 9/11 didn't go down exactly as we've been told.

UFOs have been seen by millions of people, there's video, there's testimony from serious, qualified witnesses, there's redacted government documents, etc. to prove AT LEAST that the subject is worthy of more serious study rather than tabloid fiction.

These are real mysteries.

Barack Obama has been so heavily scrutinized I doubt there's any way such a secret as his supposed "non-citizenship" could ever have remained hidden for so long. Why didn't Hilary make a stink about it? Or McCain? Or Palin for that matter? She claims to be a "Maverick" all the freakin' time. If this whole "fake BC" thing is true, and she had exposed it during the campaign, she'd have been a hero to millions (millions more, at least, than the current numbers of her supporters).

Do you honestly think all these people lied?

Do you think the whole DNC conspired to put a non-citizen in the White House?

Do you think the GOP would have let them? (Although GOP operatives, I believe, are largely behind the exposure this non-issue has gotten; follow the money in regards to who funds the websites trying to force this drivel on the American public--now that they've lost an election based on issues and Obama has received a mandate from the People they'll do all they can to discredit him in preparation for 2012.)

Or is all life on Earth controlled by some far-reaching conspiracy and Obama is just the next patsy in line?

Come on. Seriously. It's time to take your Prozac and get back in touch with reality.



posted on Dec, 8 2008 @ 11:15 AM
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Originally posted by kozmo
What YOU define as "Credible" I do not - that is the MSM. They haven't even covered one single aspect of this. They are complicit in this.


The MSM does whatever is in their corporate interest. If there was ANY truth to this accusation they'd have the BIGGEST. RATINGS. EVER. Theyd have a chance to break the biggest story since 9/11 and yet they ignore it. Is this because they're "complicit" in some kind of huge conspiracy, or is it because there's nothing there to investigate and upon further review, the accusation falls apart?


You believe what you believe - I know this as I can see the koolaid stains all over you.


Which kool-aid are YOU drinking? I like "Grape", personally.


I do not have to prove anything to you.


YEAH, YOU KINDA DO.

YOU'RE making an accusation. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof. Where's yours?


If Obama were 1/10th as wise as you think he is, he would have settled this issue months ago.


HE DID. You, in your obstinacy, refuse to accept it.


Instead, he has spent millions fighting it?


According to which authority? What source do you have for this?

The reason all these lawyers and bloggers can't get his Hawaii BC is because they have no legal claim to it. Hawaii state law forbids release of such records to anyone but the registrant. It's not even clear if Obama could allow Hawaii to release it if he wanted to.

You've put him in a Catch-22. Obama has released his BC. You refuse to accept it as genuine because your investigator of choice has no independent access to it. Obama could hand it to you personally but you wouldn't accept it because it comes from his hands, and thus in your mind it's immediately suspect. But no one else, due to the Law, can access it independently--thus there's no way for Obama to meet the burden of proof you demand.

Face it--you hate the man, you hate that America elected him fairly and with a solid mandate, and you're looking for excuses to discredit him.


Again, I hope the SCOTUS is prepared for a landslide of lawsuits over every single document the man signs until this issue is resolved.


And considering how the SCOTUS is currently stacked with a majority of right-wingers and crony appointments, there's no reason for them to deny this case and hand the election to McCain after the fact--unless the accusation holds no merit.



posted on Dec, 8 2008 @ 11:17 AM
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Originally posted by TrueAmerican
And furthermore, I think a lot of you happy about this are afraid as hell that if the SCOTUS did take the case that he would be declared not natural born.


I can't speak for anyone else, but I'm not at all afraid of that. With all the research I've done on the Constitution, US citizenship law and birth certificates, I have no doubt whatsoever that Obama was born in Hawaii and is a natural-born citizen by law. No doubt.

This is not about emotion for many of us and you insult us by assuming that we don't really care about the truth and that we're "happy" about this decision because we're afraid.


I'm certain that it's already settled.

I would argue that your "attacks" toward us are more out of emotional frustration than anything.



posted on Dec, 8 2008 @ 11:19 AM
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Originally posted by Anonymous ATS
reply to post by ConservativeJack
 


The problem with Obama is very simple. He was not born in the U.S.A. period. I'm not saying he is a bad guy or even he couldn't be a good leader (I seriously doubt he will be), but he can't legally be the President of the U.S.A.

If he was born in the U.S. he would have came forward and proved his case. The Supreme Court is bought and paid for. It is part of the problem.



IF YOU BELIEVE THIS IT IS YOUR DUTY TO FIGHT. RIGHT NOW. NO EXCUSES. PICK UP A GUN AND GET MARCHING, BECAUSE AMERICA IS ALREADY LOST AND THE LAW MEANS NOTHING.

What's that? You don't wanna? Then you're a liar, or a wuss, or both.


Get it through your skull, this has never been about bashing Obama.


Oh yes it is.


It is about a corrupt group of rich elite controlling lives without giving us a real say. There was a reason so much time and effort was put into the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution of the U.S.

It was to empower "We the People" of the U.S.A. !!!!! To protect us from the powers that be. Don't lose sit of this fact!!!!


Again, if you believe this to be the case, the USA is already gone and the Revolution is long overdue. Where's your weapon, Soldier?



posted on Dec, 8 2008 @ 11:22 AM
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That's right. The NWO reserves the right to play out any of 4 situations ( i can think of) to induce WW3. They want to censor us soon, we need to pass the word to others we know fast. I make DVD's with a bunch of movies and info. I'm on the 3rd gen and it's still pretty tuff to get people to open there minds nI still won't quit. Some are awakening and passiing the word.

I see them using obama as their tool for at least until Jan 22. Sad.




[edit on 8-12-2008 by Jb0311NY]



posted on Dec, 8 2008 @ 11:27 AM
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The Denofrio case was silly from the beginning. There is no bar to dual nationality, and never has been.

In fact, many years ago, the Supreme Court specifically held that an American Citizen may be a citizen of any other country at the same time.

I am a dual citizen, of the US and of Canada. My father was Canadian and my mother American. I was born in Oregon, making me a natural born U.S. Citizen, so I would be eligible to become President.

There was no reason to reciew this stupid lawsuit. The question had been answered more than 50 years ago. It was just another idiot, that didn't understand either the US Constitution or US laws that filed it.

Good for the Supreme Court.

They should also throw out Berg's suit (and I think they will), because he has no evidence at all. All he has is a suspicion, and that just ain't enough.



posted on Dec, 8 2008 @ 11:30 AM
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Wow you guys were really looking to forward to this last ditch effort huh?Listen I have said this before and Ill say it again.This man has been through a more in depth background check than any of us will ever have.If something was there it would have been found.If something was there this opponents would have found it.Hes a muslim...that didnt work.Hes a terrorist....that didnt work.Hes a communist socialist.....that didnt work.Hes was not born in the US....that didnt work.He got over 60 million votes...that worked. Let....it go.



posted on Dec, 8 2008 @ 11:30 AM
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That is why this country is sinking into the $h!t. Everyone is willing to disregard the law when it serves their purpose. Constitution? Most people have no idea what it is, what it says or even why it is important. All they know is "their guy" got elected... too stupid to care if it's legal or not and not intellectual enough to want to know.

Obama was an Indoneasian Citizen under the name Barry Soetoro. He attended school in Indonesia. You had to be a citizen in order to attend school. His step-father established Obama's citizenship so he could attend school. But, hey, let's ignore that fact, "My guy" got elected - screw the legality!

Again, I don't have to prove crap! I'm waiting for Barry to sign a single document that gives me standing and off to the courts I go! Then Barry is going to have to prove that he has the legal authority to sign legislation as POTUS. Get ready, this is going to play out countless thousands of times until this is settled.

Again, and I have yet to see one single intelligent answer - WHY, WHY, WHY won't Barry release his long-version vault copy birth certificate? It costs $20 to do so. Yet he has spent over $1M retaining law firms, THREE to be exact, to represent him on this matter... why? What, exactly, is Barry hiding?

Edit: Insults removed.

[edit on 8-12-2008 by intrepid]



posted on Dec, 8 2008 @ 11:31 AM
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Originally posted by Jb0311NY
That's right. The NWO reserves the right to play out any of 4 situations ( i can think of) to induce WW3. They want to censor us soon, we need to pass the word to others we know fast. I make DVD's with a bunch of movies and info. I'm on the 3rd gen and it's still pretty tuff to get people to open there minds nI still won't quit. Some are awakening and passiing the word.

I see them using obama as their tool for at least until Jan 22. Sad.


Again, if any of this is true it's already too late to "open minds" and "make DVDs". If what you say is true it is time for ACTION.

Just telling people isn't enough. If your accusation is true then you're wasting your time and there is no recourse save bloodshed.

Honestly, if you think all this crap is real what good do you think it will do to "tell people" and "open minds" when there is no political or legal recourse for those people to do anything about it?

Every time I see a post like this I know who it is: Either a paranoid whack-job, a pathological liar, a salesman selling crap to pay his rent, or, if the whole thing is true, a scared little baby who's too frightened to take the appropriate action and thinks his "revelations" will somehow magically solve the problem.

Please. You're full of it.



posted on Dec, 8 2008 @ 11:35 AM
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Originally posted by ConservativeJack




what are you talking about

honestly

like, what's your guys deal? You racist??? You think Obama is not who he says he is? That's OFFENSIVE.



[edit on 8-12-2008 by ConservativeJack]


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Quoting - Please review this link


[edit on 8-12-2008 by 12m8keall2c]

Although I too have backed him on his BC stating that it is a terrible attempt to discredit him, I must say that I am SICK and TIRED of the 'are you racist?" BS that is being thrown around any time someone questions the actions or, in this point, the birthright of Obama. Just because someone wants to make sure that their new president is actually a citizen of the country does NOT A RACIST make them. Okay?

Back to the OP. I believe that the next case will also meet this same fate. I have stated all along that it really doesn't matter if he was born here or there. He was born to a U.S. citizen who DID NOT (or better yet, COULD NOT) revoke his entitlement to being a U.S. citizen. Period.



[edit on 8-12-2008 by dariousg]



posted on Dec, 8 2008 @ 11:36 AM
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You forgot to mention that he could also be the Anti-Christ


You guys are sooooo angry



posted on Dec, 8 2008 @ 11:41 AM
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Well, at least my wife will be happy to know this! LOLOLOL

As for the funds, well, what happens if I don't have a mailbox? Crap. Better get on that!





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