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posted on Dec, 8 2008 @ 11:58 AM
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I will tell you exactly who Jesus Christ was according to evidence, eyewitnesses and irrefutable evidentiary factors.....he was the only Begotten son of God. He was Gods spirit in human form come to Earth and to take the punishment/death for our sins. It is the way God has established his creation. Jesus didn't have to study he was God and the builder of truth. He was not even close a member of any Egyptian family. He was born of the virgin Mary by the very Seed of God himself. Of course Mary was no Virgin any longer since Jesus has brothers, James et al....

The Gnostics are as false as the tooth fairy written several hundred years after and the name sake for the G in the Masons apron. They are inspired by Satan to mislead and deceive.

Jesus was no messenger, he was God himself become flesh........these are the facts.




posted on Dec, 8 2008 @ 12:29 PM
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"Jesus or Yeshua ( his real name) was no God or Gods son. He was to me, clearly the first socialist, and that cost him his life. His story was waved inside the bible, with A LOT of influences from HORUS."

******Jesus was in fact the only begotten son of God. Adam was a son of God but without human parentage. Jesus was born of the virgin Mary. He had Human DNA within him. He died on the cross to pay for our sins with blood to satisfy God's justice and then he rose again to Satan's dismay and horror. No influences with Horus. Horus was designed by Satan as a copy cat or more likely Horus was an Nephilim as you see from Genesis 6, Demonic in nature. Either way, certainly demonic and desgned by Satan early on to deceive. Its not the age of the false gods but the source of inspiration. Lucifer/Satan was here at the time of creation and was created by God.

"Ambres is a spirit, that has been here on earth before. Now inside Sture.
Sture is communicating with an entity who lived 3000 years ago in Egypt called Ambres. Thousands of people from all over the world have found their way to Sweden to study with Ambres and have greatly benefitted from his expanded perspective and timeless wisdom."

******Anbres is a concept that basically says that Heaven is what you make it to be. Humans are sinners and cannot create and can't destroy. We can change the shape and maybe the composition or appearance but we can't create it or destroy anything in this universe. We are renters, beloved children of God. This life we are in, our 4th dimensional world is a "boot camp" for the real Heaven that God has prepared. Its another dimenional existence. The so called Aliens are the Illumianti and they are demonic entites with human form, life put together by the high ranking Illuminati, using eugenics. they are interdimensional and evil to the core all of them.

"Ambres say: the way of the mammon is to keep us all occupied with the chase for money, which feeds him with the karma he needs. And with the thought that all has an end, that is NOT true."

*****We agree here....Mammon is a powerful domon under Lucifer who used money and riches to entice the elites and others to set up the world government soon to see Lucifer in charge for a very short period. Then he will be destroyed and sent to eternal torment.

"At the end Ambres say, we can all choose for our self what the sequel should be, have we learned anything? or do we want to live again, and continue to learn some more, or join the highest beings forever in happiness?"

*****We control nothing once we die or the end as we know it comes on the judgment seat of Christ. What we did here on earth our free will decisions will decide whether we will spend an eternity with God in Heaven or separated from God in Hell. We don't get second life chances.....one life and in that life chances to repent and take Romans 10:9 as truth.



posted on Dec, 8 2008 @ 02:55 PM
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I come from a unique place. I have seen Jesus Christ alive; so, the argument, to me, is moot.
However, it is interesting to see the comparison between Horus and Jesus. It brings to mind the quote by Paul in the scriptures that Satan can come as an angel of light. So, it makes sense to me that there would be imitations of Jesus throughout history.
One important note about the charts and the difference between Horus and Jesus: Horus died.



posted on Dec, 8 2008 @ 03:21 PM
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Jesus was no messenger, he was God himself become flesh........these are the facts.


I wanted to correct you, but only because I care...




Jesus was no messenger, he was god himself become flesh........these are fables.



Remember, only because I care...





To the OP:

nice work - let's hope you are wrong...



posted on Dec, 8 2008 @ 04:27 PM
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You guys all bring up good points, and if you guys want some more evidence and links to look over they are within these three threads here.

www.abovetopsecret.com...
www.abovetopsecret.com...
www.abovetopsecret.com...

To be honest with you all, when I started studying this theory I had my doubts. But then I started looking at these discrepancies that people use to argue against my claims and I just kept finding more and more answers everywhere I look and with each question I find myself asking I find that the answers make me feel even stronger about what I am saying.

For you Christians posting. Obviously I have caught your attention. You should know that I was raised as a Christian myself. I am not asking you to change your faith, I am just asking you to keep an open mind while you participate in this thread and honestly look at the facts (as well as any speculation) that are being put forward. I had gone through the same thing as many of you had and it made my head spin and yes it made me question my faith. However after doing the research I must let you know that as a person I feel alot better being able to let go of this belief in a messiah and embrace the idea that we are all equal counterparts within a set that is infinite that makes up the body of God. It just makes a lot more sense to me than believing that Jesus Christ was the one and only son of God and Messiah. It is just easier for me to understand this way and I have a lot less questions now, then I ever did in my entire life.

I consider this to be the breakthrough of our time and the one piece of knowledge that we may attain to effectively defend ourselves from the domination of the Holy Roman Empire that has sought for a One World Government under their powerful empire and bloodlines since the days of early mankind.

Chapter 29 maybe I am wrong but if I am correct than we have found a way to stop this powerful empire from enslaving humanity. So heres to hoping that I am not wrong.

TJGambil....You insist that Jesus was born from Gods Seed of a Virgin, yet I have yet to see any evidence. But since it is evidence you ask for, how about this. Jesus says in the Bible that he is from the root of David meaning that he is a part of that bloodline. How much more evidence do you need than that? The only thing that we have to do to uncover the true identity of Christ is to connect the dots. Lucky for us this was one of the most notoriously documented events ever recorded in history, so all we have to know is what to look for. The Bible is correct in the way of using metaphors to describe astrological events and that is all that there is to it. You have to understand what you are reading. It is a very powerful research tool and yes I still do read the Bible.

I refer to the once Roman Empire as the Holy Roman Empire. Because before Caesarion it was just the Roman Empire. However Caesarion captured the Empire as he should have done because he was the rightful successor to the crown over Octavian without the use of violence but by his knowledge of the ancient texts in which he captured the empire not through violence but through religion and that is when it became the Holy Roman Empire instead of the Roman Empire.



posted on Dec, 8 2008 @ 05:22 PM
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I'd edit the thing about the Queen's Golden Jubilee OP...she had that years ago...



posted on Dec, 8 2008 @ 05:36 PM
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I stand corrected. Diamond Jubilee. Thank you for pointing that out.

en.wikipedia.org...

February 6 - Queen Elizabeth II will celebrate her Diamond Jubilee. A series of festivities across the United Kingdom and Commonwealth of Nations will likely run throughout the year.



posted on Dec, 8 2008 @ 06:24 PM
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Sorry but it seems like your argument is based on 'the true word of god' - can i ask, has he spoken to yu directly - if not how do you know it is the true word



posted on Dec, 8 2008 @ 07:05 PM
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You lost me at the mandelbrot set item. FAIL.

I don't doubt there was also mention of 'vibration'.



posted on Dec, 8 2008 @ 07:48 PM
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I am Impressed in your faith.



"Jesus' life is not unknown. The books are fake and new age lies. No question. Wilki is credible????? not."


But I have read the book and did background research on the Author. I really have the feeling that he was on to something. Besides the Wickapedia link was merely recognition that this book exsists.



posted on Dec, 8 2008 @ 08:22 PM
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You didn't reply directly to my last post, as you have others, so I can only assume that you failed to read it, or you decided it's irrelevant to you. I've read all of your posts, including the threads you most recently linked as "evidence." I'm not here to convert you, and I don't intend on making great revelations which will change your mind. But in saying this, I hope YOU realize that Christians aren't likely to change their minds because of what you have posted in this and other threads. If the Bible is merely a fairy tale to you, that's fine. What you have posted in this thread is fantasy, as far as I can tell, so I hope you can understand why I may be a little skeptical. "Evidence" means using conclusive proof to convince biased and unbiased observers of your undeniable conclusion, and presenting "facts" which are verifiable when scrutinized. What you have is speculation and opinion stemming from a limited understanding of history and organized religion.

I am open minded, so I will always read an interesting post, even if I disagree with the opinions. I am very comfortable with what I believe, what I understand, and what we as humanity cannot understand. I don't claim to have answers, just theories and faith. If other people believe the Bible to be "proof" for the masses, they are entitled to their opinion. I would not cite the Bible as proof to anyone else, because I realize that many people see the Bible as a collection of fictional stories. Once again, I am completely fine with people holding this opinion, but it isn't mine.

What I don't get about your posts, and you didn't address after my first post is: If you feel so strongly about conspiracies, and you recognize that religion is being used to fool the people, why can't you see that the actions of the governments, churches, and leaders who claim to be Christian are in fact ANTI-Christian? Re-read my last post, look into the evil side of the Catholic church, look at GW Bush making a Satanic sign and worshiping Satan at the Bohemian Grove! The Roman Catholic Church is evil, the Pope is evil, and the idea of large organized religious gatherings is not encouraged by the Bible, but rather discouraged. Just as power in the hands of the few can lead to government corruption, so too can power in the hands of a few church leaders lead to the perversion of religion. In reality, organized religion is the problem, not the people practicing their faith. And this applies to Muslims and Jews as well, just look how those groups have seen their beliefs perverted over time.

You didn't address my main point from my last post, so I'll throw it out there again: Do you realize how ANTI-Bible organized religion, and particularly the Catholic Church, really is? Do you know why we celebrate Christmas when we do? Do you understand that the RCC views the Pope as being equal to Jesus according to their written constitution? And do you realize the RCC originally kept the Bible out of the hands of commoners, and persecuted those who possessed one? Don't you think those evil scumbags would have wanted to spread the Bible like propaganda if they thought it would HELP their cause?

Please don't ignore another post 12.21.12 . If you can't defend your beliefs with real evidence, at least share your opinions on these issues.



posted on Dec, 8 2008 @ 10:41 PM
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He does speak to you and he has a different voice that you learn with the inspiration. Rock solid.



posted on Dec, 8 2008 @ 10:44 PM
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My faith in Jesus Christ goes beyond life and death. I would without a doubt accept death before taking another religion or denouncing Jesus Christ. No doubt.



posted on Dec, 8 2008 @ 10:48 PM
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God is in charge. He would not allow the Bible to be false. God inspired every writer on what to write. The Bible was written by 40 different authors from peasants to Kings in two languages over 1,600 years with 66 different books. It is one book with no contradictions, no errors and has transformed lives since the beginning to now. The authors were proven to be real prophets and apostles by the accuracy of their prophesies and the miraculous signs that accompanied their ministries. Now, the canonical councils were meticulous. The Hebrews and early Christians had innumerable books that were will regarded. The canconical councils subjected every candidate for Scriptures to rigorous tests as to author, facts, and doctrine. They prayed and pondered carefully for they were not about to approve any books that were not unquestionably inspired by God. The Tyndale Bible provides 80% of the King James Version. Sir Francis Bacon wrote Shakespeares work and Shakespear was not even close. Sir Francis Bacon was into the occult and also google "The New Atlantis".......He was heavily involved in the World order. As far as having anything to do with the Bible this is completely false and has only the Masons to fabricate this lie. In a serious study Bacon is not nowhere near the Bible.



posted on Dec, 8 2008 @ 10:53 PM
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WarriorofLight of light I apologize, I did read your post and read several more after that didn't mean to leave you out.



If you feel so strongly about conspiracies, and you recognize that religion is being used to fool the people, why can't you see that the actions of the governments, churches, and leaders who claim to be Christian are in fact ANTI-Christian?

I might have a difference in opinion here. I believe them to be anti-american. As another poster pointed out alot of these people tend to lean towards luciferianism. I am not going to say they are or are not because Lucifer is a whole other bag of potato chips. I do not feel like I have traced history far enough back to even comment about who Lucifer was but clearly there are evil forces and good forces both religious and government.

This is something I have always tried to understand and once viewed the same way about the roman catholic church. I always wondered where christianity was in the mix. I live in Colorado and I can assure you that we have a whole different breed of evangelist christians than most of the world has seen before and trust me it is not a good situation and the things these people are promoting and doing is very disturbing to say the least.

However I do not view this group as the same ilk of christians I have come to know and love growing up. They are the tools of politics and foreign policy that wish to push their views upon the masses at any cost and are instructed to do so. It has gotten so bad with some of these people.

If you are interested I may be able to dig up some information I came across a while back about the Ordo Templi Orientis. If you are familiar with the OTO you would know that it deals heavily with Thelema and founded by Aleister Crowley. I don't have the link available at the moment but I was tipped off a while back when reading a speech given from the OTO from one of the lodge meetings which had several references to do with editing different books. The one mentioned was the kaballah. Also mentioned was the Koran and I was left with the impression that they were indoctrinating both sides or all three sides if you will. But the main thing that I gathered is that they were doing this to bring Christians and Muslims to war with each other, basically through this indoctrination. Alot of this stuff doesn't even come from the Bible alot of these evangelicals are picking it up at church. It is very effective.

You might say that the Roman Catholic Church is anti christian and they very well may be. But when it comes down to organizations like the Roman Catholic Church and the Knights of Columbus I believe them to be more anti-American than anything.

If you ask me it kind of makes sense, because even though Christians don't necessarily fit into the Roman Catholic agenda the way they would like them to, it may be because Christianity has spun out of their control in many different ways. People really do put all their faith in this and don't ask enough questions about it. Christianity has been given a life all of its own.

This may be why the Roman Catholic Church organized the Knights of Columbus as an anti-masonic organization and why the Pope condemned Freemasonry. While I agree that most Freemasons are good people and they usually mean well, I just believe they are mislead. The same way many of us are mislead believing in a deist creator. God is not a singularity and God is not going to punish anybody for not saying Jesus name to end their prayers. God love of one another that gives us life. Without love for each other we are nothing. Without compassion and humanity there is no hope. God is life plain and simple, you take away from it and you are denying yourself of it's gift.




Do you realize how ANTI-Bible organized religion, and particularly the Catholic Church, really is?

No but I am aware that they are in charge of editing it and they do so quite often. Next time you are at Barnes and Noble pick up one of the old KJV and one of the New Age Bibles, turn to Romans 13 and compare them side to side. I have a thread about it actually.

www.abovetopsecret.com...



Do you understand that the RCC views the Pope as being equal to Jesus according to their written constitution?


They very much do treat him like Jesus. Did you know that there are three places that have no laws, taxes or ordinances that do apply to the common man or that specific areas citizens? Those three places are Vatican City, Parliament and Washington DC. They are running a business, some people say. More like a monopoly if you ask me.

So some people often ask me, "The Queen of England and the Royal Family are in so well with the people of the UK everybody loves them, how could they be a part of the conspiracy??"

Well consider this, under the Queen of England the world shares 80% of the very same laws. What happens when 80% turns into 100%. You guessed it, New World Order. Which is one of the laws that is in the 20%, like many other freedoms in the US Constitution, the Right to Bare Arms.



And do you realize the RCC originally kept the Bible out of the hands of commoners, and persecuted those who possessed one?


Well I cant say for sure what they had and if it is the same Bible we have today, but I do know that the last age was the age of the Ram and those people were perseccuted after the establishment of the Holy Roman Empire. Age of Pisces, the Fish.



Don't you think those evil scumbags would have wanted to spread the Bible like propaganda if they thought it would HELP their cause?


Not without a few book burning ceremonies and some heavy editing to cover up the truth in a non-chalant sort of way that is almost believable. Oh wait, it is believable to some, but more like a fairy tale to me.


Now back to the subject of Catholics and Christians.

Sitchin wrote about Enki and Enlil Sumerians and all these other ancient dieties. One of them I believe was Marduck and I apologize if I am mistaken but marduck was upset and rebelled because he was not allow to rule as it was not his age as according to the astroligcal age.

Could this have something to do with the Catholics and Christian topic you brought up, very interesting subject indeed. Very good question, I might add.

I will mention, that many people don't know of course that the Rockefellers and Rothschilds are also descendants of these different bloodlines, but not of the same exact family and they have been at war with each other for quite some time apparently. They do both want to accomplish this NWO thing, but apparently they have their differences in how it should be handled.

www.projectcamelot.org...
www.abovetopsecret.com...

Warrior of light, I hope I answered your questions. I answered the best I could. Please do remind me if I missed anything or left anything out.



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[edit on 8-12-2008 by 12.21.12]



posted on Dec, 8 2008 @ 11:05 PM
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Originally posted by tgambill
God is in charge. He would not allow the Bible to be false. God inspired every writer on what to write. The Bible was written by 40 different authors from peasants to Kings in two languages over 1,600 years with 66 different books. It is one book with no contradictions, no errors and has transformed lives since the beginning to now. The authors were proven to be real prophets and apostles by the accuracy of their prophesies and the miraculous signs that accompanied their ministries. Now, the canonical councils were meticulous. The Hebrews and early Christians had innumerable books that were will regarded. The canconical councils subjected every candidate for Scriptures to rigorous tests as to author, facts, and doctrine. They prayed and pondered carefully for they were not about to approve any books that were not unquestionably inspired by God. The Tyndale Bible provides 80% of the King James Version. Sir Francis Bacon wrote Shakespeares work and Shakespear was not even close. Sir Francis Bacon was into the occult and also google "The New Atlantis".......He was heavily involved in the World order. As far as having anything to do with the Bible this is completely false and has only the Masons to fabricate this lie. In a serious study Bacon is not nowhere near the Bible.



While I agree with some of the things you have said I am a bit put off by your points and I am confused because alot of these things you mention have NOTHING to do with my original post and you are getting more and more difficult to follow. I understand that you are very committed to your faith in Jesus Christ, but could you please stay on topic?



posted on Dec, 8 2008 @ 11:18 PM
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Also let me remind you that we are not debating whether God was a male or female, or what God will or not allow. We are debating whether Jesus was in fact the Son of God or in fact the son of Julius Caesar. We are also debating that God was not a singularity or deist or the sole creator, but in fact exists in every living thing and is inside and a part of all of us. Infinite, just as the mandelbrot set. Which holds no place for Messiahs.



posted on Dec, 8 2008 @ 11:27 PM
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Accepting blindly is just religion.Questioning and finding TRUTH is of the spirit. Know which is which. Of course there are errors in the Bible. It just depends on the author. One Catholic preist hated women so much and was gay by all accounts, that he decided Catholic priests shouldn't marry. It was no God like edit that came down from on high. The Bible was put together by catholic Priests such as this man. Not pure, not awakened souls. So it is up to every believer of God and Jesus to search for the truth and never to accept it because it is in a book or someone like a Priest says it is true. Catholic Priests have been shown to be of a despicable nature in this day and age so it shows you must seek out truth yourself.

Knock and the door will open, seek and you will find!

Even Jesus went to india to study ancient vedic wisdom! And yet you hold your Bible as if it alone holds all truth and yet you don't know how to discern it? It is not for parroting on a pulpit. It is for you to start to search for truth yourself.



posted on Dec, 8 2008 @ 11:30 PM
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Jesus can still be the son of God and also be born of a woman. These two things are not mutually exclusive. It is the spirit, not the flesh, that holds the wonder.



posted on Dec, 8 2008 @ 11:33 PM
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But I have read the book and did background research on the Author. I really have the feeling that he was on to something. Besides the Wickapedia link was merely recognition that this book exsists.



You may have just earned yourself a trip to the Classic Quote Burial Ground...

When you did the research on the author, did you ever try to contact him to validate the subject matter at hand..? If not, I suggest trying a little harder...

Remember to always cite your sources...






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