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posted on Dec, 7 2008 @ 05:22 PM
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posted on Dec, 7 2008 @ 05:27 PM
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Yes this goes back to King David and Solomons Temple.

Jesus the son of A virgin, not quite. The son of a self proclaimed virgin goddess yes, she was not a virgin though.



posted on Dec, 7 2008 @ 05:37 PM
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I stopped reading after this:



Therefore 45 BC is the same as 1 AD and if you look up anything that happened between 21 BC and 1 AD you will find very little information of any events. That is because during this time the Roman Empire was fully established and that is the reason for this discrepancy.


The concept of BC was not devised until 525 CE and not actually used until the 8th century. See here:

en.wikipedia.org...

So 45 BC wasn't 1 AD and nothing happened between 21 BC and 1 AD cos those years didn't exist until the 8th century. You get that basic knowledge wrong and the rest is just falls.

[edit on 7-12-2008 by Ratman]



posted on Dec, 7 2008 @ 05:46 PM
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Actually I am glad you brought that up. BC was not established until much much later. If you ask me it weighs into this theory more than it goes against it. I would suspect that the BC system was implemented much later for this same very reason. And yes you are right the year 21BC-1AD did not exist.



posted on Dec, 7 2008 @ 06:02 PM
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Originally posted by raver2005
what if my neighbor is gay, would that be a conspiracy.


I suppose it could be.



posted on Dec, 7 2008 @ 06:19 PM
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If every thing is going change in 2012, why is the elite trying to make a one world order?



posted on Dec, 7 2008 @ 06:25 PM
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Well this has always been the goal. From what I can tell their original plan was altered a bit because of the year 2012. That is what all the underground bases are for. They still wish to establish One World Government and now they seek to use the year 2012 to fruition, hence Zion 2012 and the possible attempt to use project Blue Beam to usher in the New Messiah. Many people will not survive 2012, but the intention of my thread is to make people aware of this major conspiracy against the son of man. So that we may have a common understanding of what is to come and that we may be better equipped to defend ourselves against this religious propaganda.



posted on Dec, 7 2008 @ 06:45 PM
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i kinda take the "secret covenant" with a pinch of salt, what are its true origins, anybody could of written these things, can you tell me when where and who wrote it?



posted on Dec, 7 2008 @ 07:12 PM
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Originally posted by tgambill
"Exactly and like Horus (the literal son of Isis) he was a member of the same royal bloodline."

****not even close. Jesus was in the Royal line of King David to Mary. God breathed, willed the seed of God into Mary who was a virgin. The only begotten son of God. Different birth than any in mankind. Horus and Isis are satanic and born of the mind of Lucifer. Not the same bloodline even if they actually existed..

It's funny how the name David is a biblical name meaning beloved, you can make coorelations with this false name of Jesus' stepfather and the meaning that was intended.
Horus and Isis were actually neteru rather than pagan gods. All the ancient Egyptian "gods" were actually aspects of one god, that they portrayed using human and animal characteristics in order to comprehend its power. Even if they were actually polytheistic gods, they seem naturally good to me rather than evil. paganizingfaithofyeshua.netfirms.com... I recommend anyone interested in the history of Jesus to read what this site has to offer:paganizingfaithofyeshua.netfirms.com...



*****Wikepedia????? hardly a source compared to the true word of God. Anyone can put information....even elmer fudd.

I prefer wikipedia since it is kept in check by the public, it's kind of like a collective brain where everyone can pitch in what should be there or take out what shouldn't be there-unlike the bible which is claimed to be the word of the one true God, perfect in every aspect. I'm just saying, to me it seems like wikipedia is a better source.


"You may also want to consider the painting of The Last Supper. Jesus and his twelve disciples. Maybe DaVinci was trying to tell us something but could not do it using literal translation so instead did so in this painting. "

******DaVinci had no clue about the truth of Jesus Christ. He and Nostradamus were false prophets, nephilim and satanic influences. False prophets no question.

DaVinci never claimed to be a prophet let alone being a false one. He was a master mason though and incorporated biblical and astrological signs throughout his works. This thread talks about The Last Supper painting he created.www.abovetopsecret.com...'



posted on Dec, 7 2008 @ 07:53 PM
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Anyone know where I can get a decent copy of "The unknown life of Jesus " by Nicholas Notovich.


en.wikipedia.org...

I've pulled this concept out a few times, people keep refering me to a shrink. .

At times I marvel how the majority can be so dependent on the big show. Just wish I had a chance to study the secret geometry of the universe. You know the story of facts, not the santa version.
I guess I've been taking the freelance path. Scrounge up all the data available, channel my minds eye and start from scratch.

I hope the world will wake up once the spoiled ones get re-introduced to a little due suffering. This cloud of coushy escapism is an addictive concept indeed. I mean who wants to take on this massive problem when your sitting in a plush sofa with 500 channels of crystal mezmerization at your fingertips.



posted on Dec, 7 2008 @ 09:53 PM
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I don't know, but I do know that book is very hard to get hands on. If anybody does come across it they should consider it their civic duty to post online in pdf format.



posted on Dec, 7 2008 @ 11:47 PM
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Jesus' life is not unknown. The books are fake and new age lies. No question. Wilki is credible????? not.



posted on Dec, 7 2008 @ 11:55 PM
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"It's funny how the name David is a biblical name meaning beloved, you can make coorelations with this false name of Jesus' stepfather and the meaning that was intended."

*****Jesus never had a step father.....he had one father, God who breathed his seed into the Virgin Mary. Jesus is God in human form so that he can communicate with Mankind his children. Fact.

"Horus and Isis were actually neteru rather than pagan gods."

****Satanic deception.......for sure.

"All the ancient Egyptian "gods" were actually aspects of one god, that they portrayed using human and animal characteristics in order to comprehend its power. Even if they were actually polytheistic gods, they seem naturally good to me rather than evil."

*****Evil to the core. They were nephilim, genesis 6.

"paganizingfaithofyeshua.netfirms.com... I recommend anyone interested in the history of Jesus to read what this site has to ........"

*****His whole life can be found out about in detail from Genesis to Revelation. All other references have no basis for fact or background.


"I prefer wikipedia since it is kept in check by the public, it's kind of like a collective brain where everyone can pitch in what should be there or take out what shouldn't be there-unlike the bible which is claimed to be the word of the one true God, perfect in every aspect. I'm just saying, to me it seems like wikipedia is a better source."

*****Wilipedia can be checked by Atheist, pagans and certainly not Christians if it differs from the Biblical account.



"DaVinci never claimed to be a prophet let alone being a false one."

****no but the painting has no basis for reality or support. The picrture was in the head of DaVinci which doesn't mean anything except he wanted to paint the picture.

" He was a master mason though and incorporated biblical and astrological signs throughout his works. This thread talks about The Last Supper painting he created.www.abovetopsecret.com..."

*****yes he was as was Mozart. The Illuminati covered a lot of ground.



posted on Dec, 8 2008 @ 12:08 AM
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Well I can agree with you there, they are allegedly Nephilim. So what about that makes any of us people comfortable that we are supposed to believe that Mary was a Virgin Mother of Jesus Christ the son of God? Think about it! Julius Caesar himself got people to worship him like a God, but really it was a dictatorship, similar to the one developing in the current day.

[edit on 8-12-2008 by 12.21.12]



posted on Dec, 8 2008 @ 12:39 AM
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True......our reality is four dimensional....length, width, height and time. The reality of this universe and its spiritual beings is eternal and considered by us to be supernatural To them its not supernatural its the reality. Our life here is finite. Its sort of like a boot camp for Heaven and Hell is the secondary. These locations are "dimensional".........there are 11-12 dimensions that we know about. We are just four. Other living things are less than our four dimensions. Demons and Angels are real.....Got is on top of this dimension universe.

You may have known before me that the gods just may not be fantasy. That they are or were Nephilim or the "sons of God"...as identified in Genesis 6. I find that amazing. and nutty but highly likely.



posted on Dec, 8 2008 @ 12:41 AM
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Sorry didn't answer your question.....A God that created a universe could certainly create life in any way he wanted. Its all about being born without the original sin.....and in a supernatural way. Its about God being Just, and Holy as the reality. A WHOLE LOT OF FAITH ...granted.



posted on Dec, 8 2008 @ 03:05 AM
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This thread has made for an interesting read so far. While I sincerely respect your opinions and views as well-founded and mostly true, I do have some problems with what you are proposing. I am a Christian, so I'm sure you can figure out what I disagree with. That being said, I do agree with a LOT of what you have posted. As far as Christians go, I am far more open-minded than most, and I refuse to buy into rules which are dogmatic and not a part of the Bible.

My biggest problem with your original posts is your take on who Jesus was. You talk about some things I can easily agree with. I agree, there are serious conspiracies which have been in place for a long time, passed from one generation to the next. Religion has certainly been used to control people, and it is to this day. But I found your information about Jesus actually being Caesarion to be pure speculation, with no sources to allow for further research. What is this information based on?

I agree with you when you say that the NWO/globalists/"elites" are orchestrating an evil plot to trick people into trusting them even more. The sick people who belong to the bloodlines love power, they want to control people. Most people are already being fooled on a daily basis. However, I can't see how having people believe in the Bible, in what Jesus stood for, can ever help the evil scum who want control. Have you read the Bible? Have you read the New Testament? The NT of the Bible isn't telling people to follow specific rules, it doesn't tell Christians to obey authority blindly, and any Christian who would have you believe this doesn't know their Bible very well. The NT is like a guide, it tells you how you can live your life in the most honest and positive way possible. It isn't meant to be forced upon people, it isn't meant for control, and organized religion has perverted the message. So while I agree with you that the people who pull the strings are using religion as much as government to control the sheep, I cannot blame the Bible for this. The Bible warns about the organized church growing out of control until it is something unnatural. What the Bible promotes is a relationship between man and God, not man - priest - God. The middleman has only screwed things up.

I noticed that you refer to the Roman Empire as "Holy". For me, the Roman Empire was nothing more than one of many evil empires in history. The people of the empire worshiped pagan gods before Jesus showed up. To stem the spread of Christianity, the Roman Empire infiltrated and sabotaged the emerging Christian faith by turning it into a cult: the Roman Catholic Church. There are too many cult-like traditions in Catholicism for it to be a coincidence. You must know that before the printing press was widely used, the Rom Cath Chrch did everything it could to keep the Bible out of the hands of the common people. Those who had a copy of the Bible were persecuted or killed. The RCC knew that anyone who read the Bible would see that the corrupt leaders and the perverted religion were in fact opposing the Bible's actual message. If the Bible was a part of the evil plans of the puppet masters, don't you think they would have been spreading the Bible like propaganda?

The Bible does not tell Christians to celebrate Christmas or Easter on specific days. The RCC chose the days, and it's fairly obvious that they wanted them to coincide with pagan celebrations. As far as I'm concerned, it really doesn't matter what days they're celebrated on, as long as Christians have the opportunity to recognize them annually. The RCC has also perverted other aspects of the Bible: worship of Jesus' mother Mary, forced confessions to a priest, constitutional recognition of the Pope as God on Earth, and so many more.

I don't believe the Bible and Jesus are the problem. The problems occur when people fail to question authority



posted on Dec, 8 2008 @ 04:35 AM
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There won't be anything of a supernatural order happening in 2012 that is all bull# that they've fed to the conspiracy community to sidetrack them from their New World Order, the only thing that will possibly happen in 2012 is it might be the date they begin to round up people in their FEMA camps etc..



posted on Dec, 8 2008 @ 04:49 AM
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"To tgambill who seems to be a fanatic defender of the biggest lie of them all"

Jesus was just an inconvenient person for the establishment.
He had proven socialistic ideas, remember about NOT chasing money and it is harder for a rich person to get to heaven, then for a camel to pass through a needles eye?
Remember how he trashed all luxury stand in front of the church?
And you shall NOT have any other Gods except me? He was trying to get people to renounce the MAMMON. Whom sadly still have most of you in his grip.

Jesus or Yeshua ( his real name) was no God or Gods son. He was to me, clearly the first socialist, and that cost him his life.
His story was waved inside the bible, with A LOT of influences from HORUS.

Just to keep people in a leash and not think.

Ambres is a spirit, that has been here on earth before. Now inside Sture.
Sture is communicating with an entity who lived 3000 years ago in Egypt called Ambres. Thousands of people from all over the world have found their way to Sweden to study with Ambres and have greatly benefitted from his expanded perspective and timeless wisdom.

Ambres say: the way of the mammon is to keep us all occupied with the chase for money, which feeds him with the karma he needs. And with the thought that all has an end, that is NOT true.

At the end Ambres say, we can all choose for our self what the sequel should be, have we learned anything? or do we want to live again, and continue to learn some more, or join the highest beings forever in happiness?

Video with Ambres and English subs, can be found at torrentparty.com

[edit on 8-12-2008 by Kukulcangod]



posted on Dec, 8 2008 @ 05:38 AM
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I enjoy your posts as they make me think. It isn't important if you are 100% right or wrong. What is important is you are helping people to question accepted ideals and to take another look at them.

Personally I think you are a little off beam about Jesus but thats my personal oppinion. I do believe he studied Vedic text in India and was possibly from an Egyptian royal family however, he was born an enlightened soul as demonstrated in the gnostic text about his childhood and his ability to heal from as young as 8 years old. I also have no doubt he was God's special emissary on earth. However, this does not infact go against your other theories which could be possibilities.





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