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reply posted on 28-11-2008 @ 12:45 PM by matth
reply to post by Rook1545

Personally, I believe that the solution to getting one government to work for the entire country, would be first to unify our country. I personally believe that we are a very divided country and that has to stop, because the political lines always seem to be behind every other divisional line that is drawn in our country.

I can think of tons of inter-provincial squabbles going on both inside and out of politics. Then there are the racial and ethnic divides that plague us, while we have a national political party that is actually a provincial separatist group with more seats in the House of Commons than the NDP and a white man in charge of Native Affairs.

Once all Canadians, from the lower class right up to the upper class, stop blaming the Liberals or Conservatives (the people, not the party/politicians), the Albertans or Quebecers and the whites or the natives, depending on what location you live in this country, and realize that ALL of our problems are Canadian problems that need to be solved together, then I think that things will move forward here in Canada. But I think the politicians would be more happy to just keep us divided.



reply posted on 28-11-2008 @ 12:55 PM by matth
Originally posted by intrepid
Originally posted by matth
Agreed, the Tory's do have the most seats, but they do not have enough to form a majority government. Therefore, if the NDP and Liberals formed this coalition government they are currently trying to work out, then they would have enough democratically elected seats in Parliament to topple the Conservatives, while using their seats to continue running the government (as a coalition majority)...hence, no election would be needed. It's kind of a back door, slimy way to do things, but it's legal and it works.


I've never heard this before. I'm not doubting you but can you provide some info on this?


I actually just recently heard of this loophole myself. I cannot find the original article I was reading about it last night on the CBC website, however I did find this information on the process from another CBC news article about the situation:


The House of Commons is scheduled to vote on the package on Monday. If the opposition parties oppose the Conservative motion, they could topple the government and then request that the Governor General allow them to form a coalition government.

The Liberals were second in the Oct. 14 election with 77 seats to the Conservatives' 143, and would require the support of both the Bloc and New Democrats to form a coalition.

The Bloc holds 49 seats, the New Democrats have 37 and two MPs are Independents.

All parties appeared to be digging in their heels on Friday.

"We are deadly serious about opposing this measure," Liberal MP John McCallum told CBC News. "We will vote against it. Every Liberal. There is no doubt about it.

The Liberal finance critic called the mini-budget "pathetic and pernicious" for failing to take action on the economy and claiming to balance the budget in the face of several economist reports predicting a deficit.


Source:
CBC News

So basically, they would have to topple the government in a non-confidence motion as per usual, but then they can form a coalition government if they have enough seats/votes to do so, which is what the parties are currently negotiating now.


reply posted on 28-11-2008 @ 01:01 PM by Rook1545
reply to post by matth


I agree with you. Either we fix it, and all get behind the idea of "Canada", or each province goes its own way. I do see a better solution to that though. Why not a more "American" approach to our provinces? Why not make them more accountable for regulating things? We have seen that what works in Quebec does not work anywhere else (the language laws). They should expand that. Using the gun registry as an example. Have places like Ontario and Quebec go through it if they really want it. Leave Alberta and Saskatchewan to their own devices.


reply posted on 28-11-2008 @ 01:08 PM by matth
Originally posted by Rook1545
reply to post by matth


I agree with you. Either we fix it, and all get behind the idea of "Canada", or each province goes its own way. I do see a better solution to that though. Why not a more "American" approach to our provinces? Why not make them more accountable for regulating things? We have seen that what works in Quebec does not work anywhere else (the language laws). They should expand that. Using the gun registry as an example. Have places like Ontario and Quebec go through it if they really want it. Leave Alberta and Saskatchewan to their own devices.


That is something that I would be open to, so long as it was decided via a national referendum and not just a decision made in each provincial legislature or on the House of Commons. I would be concerned about the possible Pandora's Box it could open, but if it came to that point, it would probably be the best plan on the table; however I still believe strongly in national unity being the best solution for facing international pressures as well as solving our domestic problems.


reply posted on 28-11-2008 @ 01:13 PM by Silenceisall
reply to post by intrepid


Intrepid:

I don't think Jean would willingly send the country to the polls again so soon. She would probably be badly criticised in the press for it and people would generally be pi**ed off. I know I would. No she'll shif the onus onto the Libs and NDP, so that if they can't figure it out, it will be their fault....and they do not want to be the cause of another election either....not to mention that the Libs still have Dion as a leader right now.


I see three possibilities:

1)Harper backs off (maybe, unless he is trying to make his Gov fall)
2)Libs back off (no way)
3)Libs and NDP form Government


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reply posted on 28-11-2008 @ 01:41 PM by matth
Originally posted by mystiq
I would never want to see a US form of democracy here, with the leader being elected separately. I don't think the leader is important, and in fact would like that position shared by a jury duty of Canadians 50/50 men and women. I want proportional democracy and I want it ASAP, because everything else is a psuedo democracy.

[edit on 28-11-2008 by mystiq]


I see where you're coming from there, but your comment brings up an interesting question...is there any true democracy?

I really don't mean to go off topic here, but think about it...when the majority rules, no matter what, corruption follows. Because as soon as the masses start deciding their own fate, the masses open themselves up to manipulation and control. I believe that in order for true democracy to work, you need a fully educated society that can think for themselves. Because we do not have that society (nor do I know of one that exists currently in the world), the masses will always be open to manipulation and control, therefore whoever controls the masses, controls the "democracy", hence, it's not a real democracy.

I think democracy in general is a very flawed political system, but at the same time there's nothing really out there that's any better...so, if you have to pick the best of the worst for a political system in Canada, and unity isn't an option, then I think the provinces should be able to have some more freedoms from Ottawa to see how they can manage.


reply posted on 28-11-2008 @ 02:13 PM by intrepid
reply to post by Rook1545


Well, we have Dr. Ruby Dhalla, that count for 2 of the points. She smokin too:






reply posted on 28-11-2008 @ 02:24 PM by Rook1545
Originally posted by intrepid
reply to post by Rook1545


Well, we have Dr. Ruby Dhalla, that count for 2 of the points. She smokin too:






haha yeah I watched her riding during the election. Who would win? The hot Liberal, or the hot Conservative? It was gripping Canadian content for once.


reply posted on 28-11-2008 @ 02:39 PM by matth
reply to post by Rook1545

I think Dr. Dhalla, Rona Ambrose, and a returning Belinda Stronach should form a CGMC, known in elite Ottawa circles as a Coalition Government of Milfs and Cougars.

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