Conspiracy to Surpress the Truth & Homosexuality, page 2
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reply posted on 24-11-2008 @ 01:55 PM by Raustin
reply to post by Bigwhammy



I can understand you saying that we are experiencing the wrath of God. What I don't understand is you tying homosexuals in with it. This thread seems more like a hate speech directed towards gays than anything else. If you want to make a point about God's wrath, talk about hurricane Katrina. Talk about my brothers and sisters fighting a horrific and ridiculous war. Talk about the earthquake in China. I fail to see how someones sexual preference affects anyone but them and their partner.


reply posted on 24-11-2008 @ 02:03 PM by round_eyed_dog
reply to post by Bigwhammy



The fear that this post reeks of is palpable. It must be nearly intolerable to live life so terrified and unhappy. I hope you are able to find peace one day.


reply posted on 24-11-2008 @ 02:13 PM by skeptic1
reply to post by Simplynoone



Your truth rings simply as your opinion. Same with the OP.

Just because you believe something does not make it truth.


reply posted on 24-11-2008 @ 02:27 PM by Simplynoone
If I am not mistaken ...what I saw in his post was that there is a CONSPIRICY to suppress the truth .....the nonbelief in GOD and his WORD ...is what has LEAD to all that is happening now ....thats what I thought I read from his posts.

He included many things in it not just homosexual behaviours ..
But of course that stood out to some of you who live that lifestyle ..

And if you did not notice I added that ALL OF US ARE IN TROUBLE didnt I ?
And yes ALL OF US ARE DOING BAD THINGS ...
And ALL OF US ARE IN DEEP DOODOO >..


Here is what you dont get ..it does not matter what we are doing ..nor does it matter what you are doing ...you accusing us or vice versa WILL NOT MAKE IT ANY BETTER FOR YOU or for US >...so why even go there ??In fact the more we say in the negative towards eachother the worse it will be for us and you (because we will also all be judged by EVERY WORD that COMES OUT OF OUR MOUTH) .............

The way I see it ..if Bigwhammys post affects your heart THEN MAYBE IT IS DIRECTED AT YOU ...if you are comfortable with your way of life and your walk with God or not ...then it is not DIRECTED at you and you should just ignore his post and move on ...or say ..well that is not how I believe etc etc ....satan is the accuser of the brethren and all your doing now is allowing satan to use you to accuse just like your SAYING BIGWHAMMY IS DOING .
YOUR JUST AS GUILTY as what your accusing him of doing ..So see it for what it is ...

The guilty parties are always the ones yelling the loudest ...are they not ?


reply posted on 24-11-2008 @ 02:29 PM by toochaos4u
First of all it is a fallacy that school prayer was banned. I knew people that prayed at school on up into the early 1990's. Recently my neighbor's grandchild told me she prayed before her tests every time (2008). Prayer in silence is allowed as long as it does not disrupt others.

What was removed and fought against was an assembly led prayer over the whole school. Many times as my own father (Christian) has said during those times that when this prayer was uttered over the loudspeaker nobody really paid it much attention as it was not personal and just words. Some students of other beliefs left the assembly.

During the early 1990's there were enacted silent moments over issues. This gave each person a small time to address the issue in themselves through whichever belief system or non belief. The Christians prayed, the Atheist pondered the issue, I a Taoist considered how this new information fit into balance. One of my friends asked his ancestors to intervene on the issue (his belief).

If homosexuality is in fact the cause of God's wrath perhaps it is time for him to come down from his throne and elaborate instead of raging against the machine since the beginning of humans because gays have been seen in history forever. Again I hear the tripe about being homosexual only having to do with the "sexual urge" it is much deeper than that. There have been studies that link the reactions of pheromones in gays as being similar to that of females.

Nevertheless when one stays partnered with someone 10, 20, 30. 40 years or longer it isn't sexual attraction that bonds them as when they look at each other over time and see wrinkled old bodies but, still feel love I think something is deeper than simple sexual attraction.

You seem to insinuate gays being around as being coming from Atheist type backgrounds. This is not the case as the majority are/were Christians and came from those homes as this is the majority beliefs as evidenced by polls stating that around 82% of the US are Christian. I live in what is deemed "The Bible Belt". You won't see many gays out in the open but, if you look deeper in the area you will see many men that married out of duty to family and to fit in.

I've personally seen people beat themselves up about being gay, calling on God to remove it but, it does not work. I know friends that have been kidnapped by their own family and sent to sexual re-education centers to attempt to force the gay from them and it didn't work or they hid being gay, got married and cheated with men. Some have severe personality disorders after the experience and have to acquire psychiatric treatment later in life.

A beautiful same sex story can even be seen in the bible:

The story of David and Jonathan has been the real story about gays that has been suppressed. I can put the whole story up but, for the sake of my time I will put up a few verses.

1 Samuel 18:1-4

And it came to pass, when he had made an end of speaking unto Saul, that the soul of Jonathan was knit with the soul of David, and Jonathan loved him as his own soul. And Saul took him that day, and would let him go no more home to his father's house. Then Jonathan and David made a covenant, because he loved him as his own soul. And Jonathan stripped himself of the robe that was upon him, and gave it to David, and his garments, even to his sword, and to his bow, and to his girdle.

And why was King Saul so adamant on killing David? It was because he had subverted the crown by having an affair with his son (The King To Be).

1 Samuel 20:30- Saul's words against his son.
“You son of a perverse, rebellious woman! Do I not know that you have chosen the son of Jesse to your own shame and to the shame of your mother’s nakedness? For as long as the son of Jesse lives upon the earth, neither you nor your kingdom shall be established.”

David proclaims his love for Jonathan surpassed the love for women

there is much more, read about it yourself.



reply posted on 24-11-2008 @ 02:33 PM by Simplynoone
Originally posted by skeptic1
reply to
post by Simplynoone



Your truth rings simply as your opinion. Same with the OP.

Just because you believe something does not make it truth.


Your right ....and I give you a star because at least you did not send accusations with your opinion ...

We can say the same ...just because you dont believe does not mean that it is not true ..........


reply posted on 24-11-2008 @ 02:44 PM by Simplynoone
reply to post by toochaos4u





The POINT that Bigwhammy was getting at is that GOD is being KICKED OUT OF OUR SOCIETY ..and is being replaced with (ADD WHATEVER HERE) ..

Do you really think a CREATOR GOD is going to take that lightly ?


As far as David goes ..now your grasping at straws ...nowhere does a BROTHERLY LOVE for someone equal a HOMOSEXUAL UNION ...there is nothing in the scriptures that even HINT that David was wanting him sexually or with lustful desires ....In case you did not read very much about David ..He was in LOVE with a WOMEN so much that he aided in her husbands death REMEMBER ? ..or are you implying that he was BISEXUAL ?.......


reply posted on 24-11-2008 @ 02:52 PM by toochaos4u
Originally posted by Simplynoone
reply to
post by toochaos4u





The POINT that Bigwhammy was getting at is that GOD is being KICKED OUT OF OUR SOCIETY ..and is being replaced with (ADD WHATEVER HERE) ..

Do you really think a CREATOR GOD is going to take that lightly ?


As far as David goes ..now your grasping at straws ...nowhere does a BROTHERLY LOVE for someone equal a HOMOSEXUAL UNION ...there is nothing in the scriptures that even HINT that David was wanting him sexually or with lustful desires ....In case you did not read very much about David ..He was in LOVE with a WOMEN so much that he aided in her husbands death REMEMBER ? ..or are you implying that he was BISEXUAL ?.......


Brotherly love is stripping down and embracing? In later versions the embracing was even replaced with "shaking hands" to hide that a man took off his clothes and embraced another. Read the verses without previous teaching blinders. When Saul even gave his daughter over to David he did not want to marry her. Saul insisted specifying that this would make him his son in law twice. David only married one of Saul's daughters and never proclaimed love to her.
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