Originally posted by Grandma
Now, where you and I have our main point of disagreement is the fact that Christ was the prefect blood sacrifice. That is the reason that Jesus had
to die. To be our atonement before his Father to cover our sins. If this was not the reason for his death.....what was it and why have all four
gospels talk about his needing to die. In 1 Peter 2:24He himself bore our sins in his body on the tree, so that we might die to sins and live for
righteousness; by his wounds you have been healed. For you were like sheep going astray but now you have returned to the Shepherd and Overseer of
you souls.
This is the main point I get hate for. It's not that I don't believe Jesus died on the cross for my sins, it is the reason for it that is in
disagreement. It is my belief that he showed me the path, and that through his path I can find the way to heaven. Man was lost, and he came to
show the way. He did bear our sins, because it was our sins which killed him, as the leaders of the time rejected and killed him for speaking the
truth. He did die so that we might learn from his example.
Jesus tells people - do not be afraid of those who can kill you. And he proves there is no reason to die in his action. He shows people that even
though he could fight back, it is better to die than to fight back, and in turn break a commandment and become the evil/sin yourself. In otherwords
- you must be the change.
And the way I learned this was understanding what a heavenly and peaceful society will have to be. What do people think of heaven to be? A place
where you are left alone, live in peace and so on correct? It would be a society of people who act like Jesus does. Someone who does evil,
infringes on the will of others makes such a society impossible. As such, they will not be let in.
Jesus tells people it is easier to get a camel through the eye of a needle than to get a rich man into heaven. But the church teaches people - just
believe in this idol, and everything is ok. It's all so easy. And to me that is nothing more than a marketing ploy.
Who does Jesus say is the rich man in the eyes of god? The one with understanding and knowledge. Understanding and knowledge are the true rewards
from god, and rich rewards they are because they can be applied to all aspects of your life for improvement.
In I John 1:7/but if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus, his Son purifies us
from all sin. i John 2:2 He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not just ours but also fir the sins of the whole world. In 1 John 2:27
As for you, the anointing (Holy Spirit) you received from him remains in you are you do not need anyone to teach you. But as the anointing teaches
you about all things and as that anointing is real, not counterfeit - just as is as taught you, remains in him.
Jesus says he is the truth. Light = knowledge and understanding, dark = ignorance. If you seek truth, you will find truth and thus every bit of
truth you find brings you that much closer to Jesus. Deception is only allowed in ignorance. As you take and start following truth, then you are
purifying yourself.
How does one ask for forgiveness? Do you just say sorry, please forgive me? When you deal with your kids, did you really just want them to say
sorry? Or did you really just want them to learn from the mistake and not do it again? Saying sorry is just good manners. The way you ask for
forgiveness is by first understanding why you are wrong. And then you don't do it anymore. And when you do that, then you are forgiven. If you
ask for forgiveness and then do it again, then you never really asked for it.
Those who seek power hide behind the image. They do not hide behind the teachings because the teachings would take away the ignorance, and people
would see right through them.
Also, I'm not one who likes to pigeon hole god into having such limited ways of working. The most important thing Jesus was showing is not to
break the commandments(and no reason is valid). I didn't learn from the bible, I had a vision of my own, followed by a completely new way of
looking at the world, in which I learned things in a rapid rate through everyday experience. I grew up in the bible belt, was saved 8 times by many
different kind of churches, and never gained any understanding. The bible always seemed like mind control to me. Shortly after having the
experience, suddenly the words of Jesus started to make sense to me, on a very deep level. And I was almost shocked and amazed to read John 14,
which explained what happened to me. In my experience I was never given names, and I never asked for any. But I'm pretty sure it was the holy
spirit that gave me the understanding. Mainstream Christians claim that it was Satan trying to deceive me, simply because of that 1 point that
started this.
It seems absurd to me to think that god is limited in such ways as just a single book and interpretation. And it is Satan that tries to force a
single religion on the world as many Christians do. IMO, Jesus was just a tool of god among many. Different cultures, different ways of expressing
truth in ways they understand. It is when the cultures focus merely on the idol, instead of the understandings the religion gives that wars come
from. If they all focused on the teachings instead of the idol, they would see similarities, rather than differences. Doesn't matter how, why or
when you get the understandings, just so long as you get them. Everyone should have their own vision of things, which is a result of a personal
relationship with god. We all have our own perspectives, and every man will think he is right off that perspective.
[edit on 22-11-2008 by badmedia]
