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Originally posted by Divinorumus
I prefer freedom to choose my own fate and destiny and to succeed or fail based upon my own merit and worth and efforts.
Socialism never works and eventually takes everyone down with it when it fails.
Originally posted by littlehorn
Ok i dont think you're realizing the difference even in SIZE between MOST euro countries and the borders of the USA. I mean to compare the Nederlands to the United States is silly. I mean ill give you the fact that your nation is by far one of the most liberal of all nations (having done great things for the English during the separation of church and state) BUT you're drawing comparisons that are foolish and not practical. If the US was much smaller geographically it would be much easier to enact a social system that would work 'overall'...i mean among other points which im too busy to list.
Originally posted by Frankidealist35
Education for everyone, rich people paying their taxes like they are supposed to, free health care? I like the sound of that.
I think that the philosophy of socialism is better than the philosophy of the current neocons, which is, we invade other countries to spread Democracy. The neocon philosophy doesn't work because we can't invade countries to spread Democracy because they may not want that.
I just think we need a different approach. What's so wrong about socialism? Why shouldn't people get more benefits? They need more health benefits since their companies don't give employees them.
I like how socialist policies usually take a stance in favor of worker's rights. Workers need rights.
I think that this socialism label is just thrown around too much and it's been given a negative label by conservatives.
What's so bad about socialism?
Originally posted by ofhumandescent
reply to post by Frankidealist35
Starred and flagged.
You're a patriot with real guts because your going to get slammed from a lot of folks out there that don't have a clue as to what real Social Democracy is all about.
Originally posted by ofhumandescent
I too believe EVERYONE should pay a straight tax no loopholes, no twisty turny outs.
CEO's and actors should not be allowed to make tens of millions of dollars a year when the common person who gets your egg McMuffin and hot coffee ready every morning barely makes enough to feed her kids.
Everyone that CAN WORK should make enough to be able to live a decent life including quality medical care.
No one should be paid so much money they can't even spend it.
I advocate a ceiling on what jobs pay and whats more, the people who make the wedgies and save lives should make more then the idiots who sit behind a desk all day and play video golf or get infront of a camera and sing.
I'm tired of no workers rights.
I'm tired of no medical care for now almost 50 million people.
I'm tired of seeing the hugh number of homeless veterans, women, elderly, mentally and physically challenged left to rot on the side of the road.
I'm tired of only the rich having access to quality education.
I'm tired of the rest of the world looking at us as a country that has sold our soul and become a world class bully.
I'm tired of Washington working for the large Corporations and not the American People.
ALL PEOPLE deserve to have basic medical care (life), the possiblity of a job that pays enough that they can have "the pursuit of happiness" and to be able to peacefully protest or talk openingly (liberty).
Why do our Congress and Senate Reps get million dollar retirement packages with excellent free medical care and the rest of us have one "medical issue" and lose our homes we worked 20+ years for?
Because the American People have got to start to wake up and make their government officials ACCOUNTABLE for their decisions.
Originally posted by operation mindcrime
In the Netherlands we have an unendless stream of foreigners poring into our country and inspite of what you may believe we give them housing, schooling and jobs.... and you know what..... they can really be an asset.
Originally posted by Wotan
Maybe in a hundred years time the US will be just like the way Europe is now with its socialist policies ..... who knows.
Originally posted by NettleTea
Originally posted by Jezus
What many people fail to understand is that in the corporatism we have today, equal opportunity doesn't exist.
More socialist values can change that and give everyone a REAL chance.
Your second statement contradicts your first. The corporatism we live in today is brought about by corporations using the strong centralized government to further their agenda. Socialism increases the size and scope of government. Increasing the size of government works to increase the power and authority of corporations. Thus socialism equates to increased corporatism.
The race and Hispanic-origin2 distribution of the U.S. population is projected to become more diverse. As the Black; Asian and Pacific Islander; American Indian, Eskimo, and Aleut; and Hispanic-origin populations increase their proportions of the total population, the non-Hispanic White population proportion would decrease. By the turn of the century, the non-Hispanic White proportion of the population is projected to decrease to less than 72 percent with about 13 percent Black; 11 percent Hispanic origin; 4 percent Asian and Pacific Islander; and less than 1 percent American Indian, Eskimo, and Aleut. By 2050, the proportional shares shift quite dramatically. Less than 53 percent would be non-Hispanic White; 16 percent would be Black; 23 percent would be Hispanic origin; 10 percent would be Asian and Pacific Islander; and about 1 percent would be American Indian, Eskimo, and Aleut.
Non-Hispanic Whites, the slowest growing group, are likely to contribute less and less to the total population growth in this country. Although non-Hispanic Whites make up almost 75 percent of the total population, they would contribute only 35 percent of the total population growth between 1990 and 2000. This percentage of growth would decrease to 23 percent between 2000 and 2010, and 14 percent from 2010 to 2030. The non-Hispanic White population would contribute nothing to population growth after 2030 because it would be declining in size.
According to the middle-series projection, the Black population would increase almost 5 million by 2000, almost 10 million by 2010, and over 20 million by 2030. The Black population would double its present size to 62 million by 2050.
The fastest growing race groups will continue to be the Asian and Pacific Islander population with annual growth rates that may exceed 4 percent during the 1990's. By the turn of the century, the Asian and Pacific Islander population would expand to over 12 million, double its current size by 2010, triple by 2020, and increase to more than 5 times its current size, to 41 million by 2050.
According to the middle series, the Hispanic-origin population would be the largest growing group. By 2000, the Hispanic-origin population may increase to 31 million, double its 1990 size by 2015, and quadruple its 1990 size by the middle of the next century. In fact, the Hispanic-origin population would contribute 32 percent of the Nation's population growth from 1990 to 2000, 39 percent from 2000 to 2010, 45 percent from 2010 to 2030, and 60 percent from 2030 to 2050.
The two major components driving the population growth are fertility (births) and net immigration. In the middle series, the number of births is projected to decrease slightly as the century ends and then increase progressively throughout the projection period. After 2011, the number of births each year would exceed the highest annual number of births ever achieved in the United States.
Almost one-third of the current population growth is caused by net immigration. By 2000, the Nation's population is pro-jected to be 8 million larger than it would have been if there were no net immigration after July 1, 1992. By 2050, this difference would increase to 82 million. In fact, about 86 percent of the population growth during the year 2050 may be due to the effects of post-1992 net immigration. The above data taken from this site: www.census.gov...