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reply posted on 19-11-2008 @ 02:35 PM by ofhumandescent
reply to post by Frankidealist35
Starred and flagged.

You're a patriot with real guts because your going to get slammed from a lot of folks out there that don't have a clue as to what a real Social Democracy is all about.

I too believe EVERYONE should pay a straight tax no loopholes, no twisty turny outs.

CEO's and actors should not be allowed to make tens of millions of dollars a year when the common person who gets your egg McMuffin and hot coffee ready every morning barely makes enough to feed her kids.

Everyone that CAN WORK should make enough to be able to live a decent life including quality medical care.

No one should be paid so much money they can't even spend it.

Makes no sense.

I advocate a ceiling on what jobs pay and whats more, the people who make the wedgies and save lives should make more then the idiots who sit behind a desk all day and play video golf or get infront of a camera and sing.

The "loop holes" corporations are now using to screw the average worker 35 hour work weeks so you can't have insurance.

Or how about the companies that will hire you work you and when you stay with the company and serve faithfully for several years and start to make some decent money, this same company will fire/lay you off souly to rehire someone at less then what they were paying you. Not because you did something wrong, but for "profit".

Companies either being allowed to take American Jobs off American Soil or being allowed to screw the worker to the point where everyone is putting 8 hours on their time card but really working 10 hours just in order to "keep their job".

I'm tired of no workers rights.

I'm tired of no medical care for now almost 50 million people.

I'm tired of Washington working for the large Corporations and not the American People.

I'm tired of seeing the hugh number of homeless veterans, women, elderly, mentally and physically challenged left to rot on the side of the road.

I'm tired of only the rich having access to quality education.

I'm tired of the rest of the world looking at us as a country that has sold our soul and become a world class bully.

ALL PEOPLE deserve to have basic medical care (life), the possiblity of a job that pays enough that they can have "the pursuit of happiness" and to be able to peacefully protest or talk openingly (liberty).

If our news media were owned by the people (social) and not the rich elite, maybe we wouldn't have to go elsewhere for the real news. Our news media has become a propaganda machine.

Many don't realize that our fire, ambulances and libraries are social run services.

My niece lives in Paris and she says the French have a 35 hour work week with 5 weeks vacation for ALL French citizens.

They also have access to good free medical care.

The French Government is held accountable as working servants of the people not vice versa as in America.

Why do our Congress and Senate Reps get million dollar retirement packages with excellent free medical care and the rest of us have one "medical issue" and lose our homes we worked 20+ years for?

Because the American People have got to start to wake up and make their government officials ACCOUNTABLE for their decisions.

American's have got to demand some straight talk vs lies and manipulation of the truth.

IT'S TIME FOR CHANGE.

If we are not brave enough to wake up and see we need some big changes then our whole country will go down the tube.


ps: We didn't enter Iraq to "spread democracy" as much as "for the oil" and to settle a personal vendetta for the Bush Family.

[edit on 19-11-2008 by ofhumandescent]



reply posted on 19-11-2008 @ 02:49 PM by operation mindcrime
Originally posted by ofhumandescent
reply to post by Frankidealist35
Starred and flagged.

You're a patriot with real guts because your going to get slammed from a lot of folks out there that don't have a clue as to what real Social Democracy is all about.


Frank is going to get what....

This guy just posts a thread and then up and leaves....never heard from him since..

It's us europeans getting "slammed" with a lot stupidity by some really proud americans.

Witch ,i think, is real fun and entertaining.........

Keep it up you guys.....slam me some more....

edit: by the way star-ed you Norsky for that comment......

[edit on 19/11/2008 by operation mindcrime]


reply posted on 19-11-2008 @ 03:24 PM by operation mindcrime
reply to post by ofhumandescent


Non the less.....great post!!!

You really seem to know what you are talking about....


reply posted on 19-11-2008 @ 03:48 PM by littlehorn
reply to post by operation mindcrime


Since the population exceeds 300 million you're telling me thats inconsequential?! This isnt directly related to size per se...but it certainly makes issues more problematic with the size of our populace plus the size of our country geographically...so yes it does matter.

[edit on 19-11-2008 by littlehorn]


reply posted on 19-11-2008 @ 03:51 PM by NettleTea
Originally posted by ofhumandescent
I too believe EVERYONE should pay a straight tax no loopholes, no twisty turny outs.

You don't have to believe in socialism to have a fair tax system. You can have a very small government that reduces taxes on everyone.

CEO's and actors should not be allowed to make tens of millions of dollars a year when the common person who gets your egg McMuffin and hot coffee ready every morning barely makes enough to feed her kids.

You can believe that if you wish, but you have no right to take away another persons wealth or property. Again taxes are a necessary evil for certain projects.

Everyone that CAN WORK should make enough to be able to live a decent life including quality medical care.

This again is your opinion. If you want to front the bill for all this then have at it. If not you don't have a leg to stand on. I think that everyone should have to carry a firearm to stop criminals and aid police, but you don't see me trying to legislate that opinion because it infringes on others rights / free will.

No one should be paid so much money they can't even spend it.

I think that they should. So here we are at a stale mate, you say cap the wealth, I say don't. The difference between our answers is that you are forcibly taking wealth from someone, while I am not stealing from anyone. That is what freedom is about.

I advocate a ceiling on what jobs pay and whats more, the people who make the wedgies and save lives should make more then the idiots who sit behind a desk all day and play video golf or get infront of a camera and sing.

This is honestly an arrogant statement. Who are you to judge the value of one persons work over another? You can't label an entire career path as unworthy because the participants are not constantly breaking a sweat. Who would be getting all of this capped wealth anyway? The government would collect this money. Do you feel that politicians are so worthy of this wealth because they do harder work than the rest of us?

I'm tired of no workers rights.
I'm tired of no medical care for now almost 50 million people.
I'm tired of seeing the hugh number of homeless veterans, women, elderly, mentally and physically challenged left to rot on the side of the road.
I'm tired of only the rich having access to quality education.
I'm tired of the rest of the world looking at us as a country that has sold our soul and become a world class bully.

Then go out and do something about it. Lobby your STATE Government to get involved. Your idea about liberalism is so contradictory to your supposed goals. Example...

I'm tired of Washington working for the large Corporations and not the American People.

If you admit that Washington (Federal Government) is working for large corporations, then WHY WOULD YOU GIVE THIS INSTITUTION MORE POWER!!!

ALL PEOPLE deserve to have basic medical care (life), the possiblity of a job that pays enough that they can have "the pursuit of happiness" and to be able to peacefully protest or talk openingly (liberty).

The only thing in your statement that is true is the point on protesting (First Amendment). No where in the US Code does it state that the government is responsible for your medical care and a stable job.

Why do our Congress and Senate Reps get million dollar retirement packages with excellent free medical care and the rest of us have one "medical issue" and lose our homes we worked 20+ years for?

Limit the power of the Federal Government and they wouldn't be able to have these retirement packages.

Because the American People have got to start to wake up and make their government officials ACCOUNTABLE for their decisions.

Socialism would only work to make accomplishing that task so much more difficult. Your intentions are good, but your method to attain them is wrong


reply posted on 19-11-2008 @ 05:20 PM by Divinorumus
Originally posted by operation mindcrime
In the Netherlands we have an unendless stream of foreigners poring into our country and inspite of what you may believe we give them housing, schooling and jobs.... and you know what..... they can really be an asset.

Fine. Good for you all. But you don't understand what I've been trying to say: Those that want to play that way, involuntarily, among yourselves, go for it, more power to ya. I do not need that. I prefer to take care of myself, myself. Socialism should be voluntary. It's immoral to force your ideals upon another.

There are those, like me, that don't need or want to play involuntary socialism. I'm for being socially responsible, but I'm not for involuntary socialism. Play what ever way you all want to play, among yourselves. Who's stopping any of the socialists from playing that game among yourselves right now today? Go for it. BUT keep your way of life to yourselves. DO NOT force me to become a socialist.

If I feel like being social, I'll do so voluntarily and give what I feel I can afford and when I can and to whom I please and on my own terms.

The point I'm trying to make is this is a two way street. Do not force your ideals and beliefs upon me, and I won't force mine upon you.

Does that make sense?

Why must everything be YOUR or anyone else's way? Leave me and others like me alone. Some don't need or want to play your socialist games or live by your ideals. The Muslims want us to become one of them and play their games and I don't need or want that either.

Keep your ideals and ideas among yourselves. Period. Do not force me to be like you. Period.

(sigh.... sorry for being repetitive but my gosh, why is it so difficult to explain freedom these days)


reply posted on 19-11-2008 @ 07:14 PM by ofhumandescent
reply to post by dr_strangecraft
The big increase in American population is due to immigrates still flooding into our country.


The race and Hispanic-origin2 distribution of the U.S. population is projected to become more diverse. As the Black; Asian and Pacific Islander; American Indian, Eskimo, and Aleut; and Hispanic-origin populations increase their proportions of the total population, the non-Hispanic White population proportion would decrease. By the turn of the century, the non-Hispanic White proportion of the population is projected to decrease to less than 72 percent with about 13 percent Black; 11 percent Hispanic origin; 4 percent Asian and Pacific Islander; and less than 1 percent American Indian, Eskimo, and Aleut. By 2050, the proportional shares shift quite dramatically. Less than 53 percent would be non-Hispanic White; 16 percent would be Black; 23 percent would be Hispanic origin; 10 percent would be Asian and Pacific Islander; and about 1 percent would be American Indian, Eskimo, and Aleut.

Non-Hispanic Whites, the slowest growing group, are likely to contribute less and less to the total population growth in this country. Although non-Hispanic Whites make up almost 75 percent of the total population, they would contribute only 35 percent of the total population growth between 1990 and 2000. This percentage of growth would decrease to 23 percent between 2000 and 2010, and 14 percent from 2010 to 2030. The non-Hispanic White population would contribute nothing to population growth after 2030 because it would be declining in size.

According to the middle-series projection, the Black population would increase almost 5 million by 2000, almost 10 million by 2010, and over 20 million by 2030. The Black population would double its present size to 62 million by 2050.

The fastest growing race groups will continue to be the Asian and Pacific Islander population with annual growth rates that may exceed 4 percent during the 1990's. By the turn of the century, the Asian and Pacific Islander population would expand to over 12 million, double its current size by 2010, triple by 2020, and increase to more than 5 times its current size, to 41 million by 2050.

According to the middle series, the Hispanic-origin population would be the largest growing group. By 2000, the Hispanic-origin population may increase to 31 million, double its 1990 size by 2015, and quadruple its 1990 size by the middle of the next century. In fact, the Hispanic-origin population would contribute 32 percent of the Nation's population growth from 1990 to 2000, 39 percent from 2000 to 2010, 45 percent from 2010 to 2030, and 60 percent from 2030 to 2050.

The two major components driving the population growth are fertility (births) and net immigration. In the middle series, the number of births is projected to decrease slightly as the century ends and then increase progressively throughout the projection period. After 2011, the number of births each year would exceed the highest annual number of births ever achieved in the United States.

Almost one-third of the current population growth is caused by net immigration. By 2000, the Nation's population is pro-jected to be 8 million larger than it would have been if there were no net immigration after July 1, 1992. By 2050, this difference would increase to 82 million. In fact, about 86 percent of the population growth during the year 2050 may be due to the effects of post-1992 net immigration. The above data taken from this site: www.census.gov...

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