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reply posted on 25-11-2008 @ 06:10 PM by operation mindcrime
reply to post by Mahatma87


I haven't yet learned all about Zeitgeist there is to know but from what if seen it makes atleast a lot more sence than the path we've been following.....i'm not yet sure if i'm ready to believe everything about Zeitgeist.....but the basic principale makes sense.....

but then again....who am i

edit : yep, you've guessed it....typos. I should really take more time for this.

[edit on 25/11/2008 by operation mindcrime]



reply posted on 3-12-2008 @ 11:59 AM by LittlePinky82
Originally posted by PeaceUk
You can have socialist aspects of a society without going all the way, such as we enjoy here in England.
Many people seem to have negative connotations of socialism, ideas of laziness in those who will live of the welfare state. This does not have to be so. Certain aspects of socialism can be taken and used to good effect (the NHS for example). It can be seen as a safety net on which any person in society, irrespective of class, ethnicity or any other aspect, can use when we reach 'tough times', which is inevitable. The only part it seems that many greedy Americans have such a tough time getting their head around is the fact that the working, healthy people who are not currently using it have to pay into this system. It's a question of being selfish.


In socialism the PEOPLE take care of everything. You're in charge of your jobs and everything else. So actually socialism isn't being lazy at all. I would even argue it's quite the other way around because it's done by the people your country in socialism depends on the people and how everyone works together on it. If you put people in government who don't care and are lazy (see the Bushies) the results will be lazy. I hope all these greedy Americans don't take their Social Security checks when they retire. That'll be hypocritical. I wanted to add more people are dependent on you. You can't be lazy on something because of how many people rely on you. If you're on your own and you don't do something it'll effect only you but with socialism it'd effect everyone.

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reply posted on 3-12-2008 @ 12:41 PM by Frankidealist35
reply to post by LittlePinky82


What do you mean that they can't destroy capitalism? Isn't that what they are doing right now with the bailout?

I like the socialism ideology. I think that socialism would work better than capitalism if it actually worked the same as it did on paper. I would like to see an economic system that has capitalist and socialistic elements in it. I don't want capitalism to completely disappear but I would like it more tightly regulated so economic disasters like this one that the world is in doesn't occur in the future.


reply posted on 5-12-2008 @ 12:05 AM by Anonymous ATS
reply to post by PeaceUk


unfortunately part of the cynisism here in America spawns from a welfare system we already have; one that rewards bad behavior and leads to a sort of vicious circle of crack heads and lazy people abusing the system while the rest of us pay into it, and often can't get it when WE, the payers, need it. One thing people around the world must realize about the American government is that it was never intended to be as big or powerful (on a national level) as it is. It was supposed to basically provide protection and unification for the states, leaving the rest up to more localized governments which can run more efficiently, which is why smaller European governments seem to prosper in areas where America seems to be failing.
America needs not socialism or communism, but a huge reform back to the constitution, back to our forefathers dreams and outline, and back to a society who's actions are based on collective MORALS and LOGIC and not just the hard letter of the LAW. This is where we have gone wrong. Along with an overpowering federal government, we now have a society in which people base their decisions on whether or not it is legal, not whether or not it is right or wrong. I blame 'everyone gets to vote' (something origionally just for the educated, even if it was done so through racism and sexism).


reply posted on 5-12-2008 @ 07:34 PM by Frankidealist35
reply to post by Anonymous ATS


I agree with your views. What we need is for the Government and economy return to its original purpose. I am not implying that we should bring back slavery but at least we should get the Govt to work for us again. How would we go about doing that?


reply posted on 31-1-2009 @ 02:12 AM by peskyhumans
Originally posted by Anonymous ATS
reply to post by PeaceUk

America needs not socialism or communism, but a huge reform back to the constitution, back to our forefathers dreams and outline, and back to a society who's actions are based on collective MORALS and LOGIC and not just the hard letter of the LAW.


I would just like to point out that the American people no longer share collective morals or logic. The "melting pot" stopped melting a long time ago. Any state government trying to run an autonomous system would face all the same challenges that our federal government has to deal with right now. All the issues would be the same - gay rights, women's rights, illegal immigrants, gun rights, etc. The list never seems to end. (probably never will)

I also favor a democratic system with socialistic policies for full healthcare and education. We could pay for it easily with a flat tax - One of my professors stated a 10% flat tax would pay for pretty much anything we would ever want, and eliminate our tax debt.

I don't see how *2* additional socialistic policies threatens freedom or encourages laziness. You can't eat your healthcare to survive, you still need a job to buy food. You can't live in your school, I imagine they would kick you out eventually. Not to mention all the other things you would want to buy - a tv, maybe some video games, a dog, the list goes on. I don't see laziness.

Full education would be a godsend to our people, I think. I've been struggling to get through school (I refuse to take out a student loan) and free college education would really help out the American people. If everyone learned a skill, the demand for good jobs would skyrocket, businesses would be pressured to open new stores and offices for people to work at. Competition can be good, sometimes.


reply posted on 9-3-2009 @ 07:33 PM by Frankidealist35
reply to post by Divinorumus


That's already been tried and it resulted in a civil war...

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