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reply posted on 19-11-2008 @ 04:42 AM by TruthTellist
reply to post by Heedbanger



Gordon Brown got put into power for doing his dirty deed for the NWO back in 1999 - by selling ALL of Britain's Gold at 1/4 price it would have sold for the next year.

Becoming PM was his reward for this dastardly act of Treason.

He Ruined England's economy - rendering it fully Debt-based and with no surplus.

Typical Marxist tactics.

[edit on 19-11-2008 by TruthTellist]


reply posted on 19-11-2008 @ 05:47 AM by Isispriest
Originally posted by bdswetty
reply to
post by jam321



Socialism isn't bad. It's not any worse than democracy.


(ahh the American non-education system)
Democracy is about the people electing their government. Socialism is a way for a government to cushion the people from the more harsh aspects of capitalism. The two concepts are not mutually exclusive. Many democratically elected governments provide their people with socialist networks of help and services through taxation of a capitalist economy. In 1970 President Allende was democratically elected in Chile. He was assassinated with USA/CIA help because he wanted to nationalize mines, which were abusing workers and hauling wealth out of the country. Now we have Chavez democratically elected in Venezuela. Many free countries democratically elect governments that promote a socialist agenda.

Now you have Obama in the USA. Many seemed worried he will promote a socialist agenda. Well good for you. That is what happens when, in a democracy, most people are having a hard time with living! No wonder few support the Bail-out to Wall St., which is socialism for the wealthy. When less than the majority of family units have an adequate 401K, comprehensive health care, or can afford a quality higher education for their kids let democracy rule. And this is not because people are lazy! Individuals and families are working more for less, much less than during the post WWII free ride our parents or grandparents had. Of course the majority is going to swing into some support for socialism. Capitalism is failing and many need a leg up.


reply posted on 19-11-2008 @ 07:58 AM by Nola213
The only people that are scared of socialism, are the rich (and too bad for you money hungry bastards, your sooo greedy you are now such a minority that your vote/voice isn't gonna mean a thing when it hits the fan), and the ignorant people who confuse socialism with communism.

Personally I grew up with a father who worked his butt off as a plumber and through his sweat and blood made many a company rich, then he got his own company and did very well for himself, but kept only one truck. Me or a family friend as a helper, and he lived well. He was not greedy, did not hit people over the head when he could have and become rich. But he raised 4 kids with no government help.

Growing up I wanted to emulate him, I was a plumbing mechanic, until I lost a leg(when i was " bumped" onto the LIRR tracks), while not on the job, and at the time I was working for a guy who was the "out to get rich type",had no medical as I was off the books. I had worked several plumbing jobs , honeing my skills as a mechanic, most on the books, some off the books when times were tough. During this time, times were tough I had a 5 year old daughter.

Now I live in FL, Do you know what the governament pays me a month? a little over $600/per month, yep thats $150 a week. I have 1 leg. They are not gonna pay for my schooling. They do not give me low income housing since I'm not 55+, I'm only in my 30's. My daughter is now 11, if not for her amazing grandmother, on her mothers side, she'd be living under the states system, well no she'd come live with me and my parents, and we'd make it work somehow.

I live with my parents, since I could not afford my single bedroom apartment when I got out of the hospital.

My old man has basically lost his mind due to a breakdown some years ago, although thankfully he had a good on the books union job when he was declared mentaly disabled. so he brings home a "whopping" $1100 a month. Whoopy!

My mother being a stay at home Mom her whole life has no job skills, shes in here 60's and cannot learn new job skills, her hands barely work. So she works at the local food mart and makes like $375 a week, and gives the government almost 1/3 of that. Thank you America!

So as a family of 3, we are trying to pay our mortgage/home owners insurance, feed ourselves,cloth ourselves, cover medical bills, and keep 1 car on the road all with about $2500-2700 a month. Wanna go out to a restaurant? or to the Cinema? haha. Buy gifts for eachother on B-days/ Holidays? hahaha. These things now are luxuries for us.

Don't get me wrong I'm grateful for what I do have, I'm alive, I have my daughter, although I can only visit her about twice a year for a couple weeks,as I live very far from her.

But when I see our goverment throwing millions/billions of dollars at other countries, to house, and feed people...well it makes me frigging sick.

Also when I hear a rich bastard complain about chipping in a couple hunded more a month out of his 6 figures, I wanna shoot them in the face. Or "accidently" bump them on the nearest railroad tracks.

But I don't do it, I'd never do it. Cause I believe in the great universal equilizer. Karma-

I am just one case out of hundreds of thousands. So all of you rich people outta be scared, because...




reply posted on 19-11-2008 @ 09:15 AM by NettleTea
I am not a rich man, but I don't think that entitles me to someone else's wealth.

One point was raised that the average tax payer has never “earned” the roads, hospitals, and other public services that were funded by tax dollars. Apparently you have to had built all of these things by hand to have a right to use them. My response to this point is that not everyone has a primary hand in building infrastructure, but that does not negate the fact that citizens pay taxes to the government, and in turn get to utilize these resources. To say that someone has not earned the public resources is arrogant beyond belief! That notion would just work to defraud every citizen in the US.

Another point was that the only people who don't like socialism are the rich and ignorant. This is laughable. I demand that all those who so greatly attest to socialistic values to please read up on the Soviet Union, Nazi Germany, and so forth. “Oh that's not the socialism we are talking about”, you complain. “We want the happy kind were everyone behaves and follows along with how they are suppose to act in a socialist paradise.” Utopian socialism does not exist for large, strong, centralized governments! If the US were to even attempt what some of you are insisting the people would turn into a governmental commodity in law and practice.

One last point. No one ever said that you would get an easy or fair life. I am tired of people telling me hard up stories and then using that to justify growing the state to a tyrannical size. If you have a family, stop with all the nonsense that you can't provide for them, and so the government has step in to pay the difference. News flash, if you can't provide then maybe you should not have kids and costs you can't pay for. It is amazing how everyone feels entitled to a large family, a stable job, health care, and other various “stuff”. You have a problem, turn to your family, church, or charity. Leave me alone. I don't know you. I have my own problems to deal with. I will defend my wealth and property to the very end. Stop trying to use the state to steal wealth and just go do it yourself if you believe in socialism so much.


reply posted on 19-11-2008 @ 09:27 AM by NettleTea
Originally posted by TheOracle
Seriously, we all depend on each other anyways. I couldnt survive if farmers decided to keep their food for them.


Sounds like a personal problem. If you want to be self sufficient you can, you just have to work for it. Just because you can't survive doesn't mean that no one else could. You are using a personal trait to force socialism on other people. If you want to be dependent on other people that is fine, just don't force you perspective on me.

And all your paper money you cherish so much, you already pay tax on it..its called INTEREST. So you pay for the welfare of the rich Feds and Bankers and that for you isnt a problem?


Yes that is a great problem for me. Why then would you throw more of your rights and wealth at these people? Abolish the Fed, have sound money, that doesn't mean we all have to grow government.

I am very happy to give a share of my pay if I can get all the benefits I couldnt afford anyways if I had to rely on greedy private insurers and pharmaceutical companies. I want to live in peace and not fear the day I lose my job for whatever reason, or if I am simply ill and unable to work.


If you want to voluntarily give and help out others that is great, just don't go looking to back your adventure with the state's money and guns.

Who are the slaves?


Those who attest to socialism but have no understanding of the real world effects a system like that entails.


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reply posted on 19-11-2008 @ 10:38 AM by DazedDave
reply to post by Divinorumus



Very nice. Now look at Canada or the Netherlands and tell me how what you said applies there.


reply posted on 19-11-2008 @ 10:47 AM by Wotan
Originally posted by littlehorn
Do you fully understand Socialism? or just what you see as being perks of Socialism? Ever been to a Socialistic country and try to get 'good' health-care quickly? Want to witness an emergency room where people with pretty serious problems wait countless hours only to be seen using substandard equipment with under trained personnel...sure Socialisms for you guy!!! Ever see the state of dentistry in nations like (first world mind you) Great Britain? Reason the world pokes fun at their teeth is directly related to yup Socialism....practically NO good dentists in that entire nation...no money in it. Also, unemlpoyment rates skyrocket in these nations and then leave the burden on the very govt /people you wanted in place to begin with...no one wants to works 'as hard' now..the state will look out for us......not exactly a recipe for ambitious progress...like we've seen here in the USA..we've led the WORLD in Industry, tech, pretty much all around due to Capitalism and its ideals and drive for success....so, ya sure go move to a socialistic country , quit your job, relax and wait countless hours for sub-par medical treatment, have fun.


Okay where do I start.

I actually work in the UK NHS for a start off. UK doctors and nurses are no worse trained than US ones nor are other EU, Canadian or Australian Healthcare medical staff. True, dentistry is a problem in the UK, but that is because it was basically privatised. Unemployment is no worse than anywhere else in the western world.

As for the US leading the world .... do me a favour, what a crock full of # that statement is. Go read about inventions and tech and other things first before making such a rash statement.

If the US healthcare system is so great, how come it is ranked in the world so low? Look it up yourself.

Stop deceiving yourselves that US is best ....... In many cases it is not.
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