Those behind the Obama Birth Cert conspiracy, page 5
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reply posted on 17-11-2008 @ 02:16 PM by Avenginggecko
reply to post by themamayada



The mainstream media is not reporting this, but alot of foreign websites I read frequently have been talking about this for weeks.

And once again, there is no actual proof anywhere of this. API hasn't released the supposed tape, and even if they did and she did say this, her testimony would be 'heresay' and wouldn't hold water in court.

In keeping with the three evidentiary requirements, the Hearsay Rule, as outlined in the Federal Rules of Evidence, prohibits most statements made outside a courtroom from being used as evidence in court. This is because statements made out of court normally are not made under oath, a judge or jury cannot personally observe the demeanor of someone who makes a statement outside the courtroom, and an opposing party cannot cross-examine such a declarant (the person making the statement). Out-of-court statements hinder the ability of the judge or jury to probe testimony for inaccuracies caused by Ambiguity, insincerity, faulty perception, or erroneous memory. Thus, statements made out of court are perceived as untrustworthy.


What is Heresay?

And once again, her quote that he was adopted in Indonesia does not disqualify the fact that when he returned to the U.S. his citizenship reverted back to its original form because Indonesia no longer had influence over his person.

And ArizonaScott, the whole school thing is a little overblown. Politifact has an article that explains Obama's education and religion in a bit more detail. Hope it clears up some suspicions for ya.

Obama's Education and Religion


[edit on 17-11-2008 by Avenginggecko]


reply posted on 17-11-2008 @ 02:18 PM by maybereal11
reply to post by Kaploink



The questions I would like answered by the folks propagating this nonsense..

Given that the McCain Campaign had enormous resources to research Obama's background....why didn't they bring this up if there was even a shred of veracity?

Ditto Hillary Clinton in the Primaries?

Also the GOP?

Ditto the Bush Administration?

The McCain Campaign seemed utterly willing to bend, distort and bloody the truth at every opportunity and had no reluctance what-so-ever in claiming our President Elect was a Muslim, Socialist, and yes even a terrorist...but somehow they drew the line at examining whether he was eligible to run and a US citizen!!???

If they were bringing up the parents of children that Obama's children played with and examing who Obama's nieghbors were...then you know they looked into this VERY hard.

What they came up with was....Well, he was in fact born in Hawaii, BUT maybe we can make use of this in other ways. We won't own it publically because it is obvious BS and would be egg on our face, but lets spin it out there to those who don't need convincing or proof and maybe we will get some mileage out of it in propaganda terms.

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reply posted on 17-11-2008 @ 02:20 PM by redhatty
Originally posted by rapinbatsisaltherage
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post by redhatty



The DNC. This was actually a factor in the Berg case.


The Berg case was dismissed for lack of standing, and is currently in appeal over that decision - with Berg hoping that SCOTUS will hear the case.

The DNC afaik did not state anything about the vetting of Obama in any court documents, it merely claimed lack of standing.

Do you have different information?


reply posted on 17-11-2008 @ 02:29 PM by Aggie Man
reply to post by redhatty



Well, if a birth record is considered protected, then what makes anyone feel entitled to see Obama's medical records. If it is truly protected, then even the Supreme Court can not subpoena this record or force it to be made public.

[edit on 17-11-2008 by Aggie Man]


reply posted on 17-11-2008 @ 02:34 PM by skeptic1
reply to post by Aggie Man



The state has sealed it to parties who are not Obama himself.

So, yes, that means he would have to request it himself, or a court order would have to be issued to subpoena the document from Hawaii.


reply posted on 17-11-2008 @ 02:34 PM by Avenginggecko
reply to post by themamayada



But it is true...I think Rapin, SG, and I have all very clearly laid out the laws and reasoning behind Obama's citizenship, whereas the other side of the coin only has conjecture and hearsay - no evidence.

I invite Berg or any other citizen or agency to willfully and intelligently investigate Obama's past, as it should be. However, our legal system is 'innocent until proven guilty', and due to the complete lack of court appropriate evidence, Obama is a citizen and will be President.

The logic you use is called a syllogism, where a a conclusion is drawn from a major and minor premise. For example, Obama is black. Obama is an American. Therefore, Americans are black.

As you can see, a syllogism is only true when both the major and minor premises are true. As of yet, no one can prove that Obama was officially adopted by his father in Indonesia and somehow circumvented U.S. law to renounce citizenship.

Occam's razor: All things being equal, the simplest answer is often the best.

It seems to me that the simplest answer here is that his step-father fudged the school enrollment form, and that's about it.


reply posted on 17-11-2008 @ 02:40 PM by CoffinFeeder
reply to post by southern_Guardian



yes yes, i know, in teh brainwashed pro-osama.. oh I mean obama people's eyes, anything that isn't short of worshiping this man as a god is wrong and hateful and racist, or whatever tag you can put on it.

of course, when the shoe was on teh other foot, it was perfectly ok.

yeah, I'd hate to be your credibility.


reply posted on 17-11-2008 @ 02:42 PM by HunkaHunka
Originally posted by CoffinFeeder
reply to
post by southern_Guardian



yes yes, i know, in teh brainwashed pro-osama.. oh I mean obama people's eyes, anything that isn't short of worshiping this man as a god is wrong and hateful and racist, or whatever tag you can put on it.

of course, when the shoe was on teh other foot, it was perfectly ok.

yeah, I'd hate to be your credibility.


Wow!

The very fact that you said OSAMA makes your entire post biased.
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