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posted on Nov, 17 2008 @ 03:43 AM
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Instead of discussing the BC issue head-on, you first attack the sources then you attack the people who are involved in this investigation.:shk:

How many more of these "Please stop attacking Obama" threads are going to be spawned?

Just have BO produce his BC. End of issue.




posted on Nov, 17 2008 @ 04:19 AM
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Originally posted by jsobecky
Just have BO produce his BC. End of issue.


Who are you directing that at, exactly? Southern Guardian? How is Southern Guardian going to get Obama to produce whatever certificate is going to necessary to satisfy these demands. You say that as if Southern Guardian has the President Elect's ear and is able to influence what he does.

Although, let's be honest, Obama could go round to everyone's house with the certificate and it still won't stop this particularly conspiracy will it? If he did that tomorrow, these kinds of threads will still be appearing. 'What was he hiding? Why did he stall for so long? What happened when he went back to Hawaii? Who was he buying off? and so on.



posted on Nov, 17 2008 @ 05:28 AM
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The following is my opinion as a member participating in this discussion.



Lets face facts.

He's damned if he does, and damned if he doesn't, because the people that are making an issue of this aren't going to be satisfied one way or the other.

The issue is being raised soely for the sake of it, in attempts to smear the guy before he's actually even started work as POTUS.

Why? Take your pick. Sore losers/ bigots/ fearmongerers/ right-wing smearers/ people afraid of change/ people who claim they are "patriots".

I can guarantee you that if Obama stood live on national TV with his birth certificate, this would not go away - why? Because people actively want to see this guy fail and will do and say anything they can to try and make that happen. Its sad, but its true.

It will run and run throughout his presidency and beyond no doubt. Its the new 9/11.



As an ATS Staff Member, I will not moderate in threads such as this where I have participated as a member.



posted on Nov, 17 2008 @ 08:04 AM
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Originally posted by Mercenary2007
First a certification of live birth is not a birth certificate.
A certification of live birth is a short form used in place of a birth certificate.


... Limited information is taken from the original birth record (the long form) and stored in a database that can be accessed quickly when birth certificates are needed in a short amount of time. ... The short form typically includes the child's name, date of birth, sex, and place of birth...



So... If the "short form" is information taken directly from the "long form" and it includes the place of birth, that's ALL we need to know. Right?

He was born IN HAWAII and is therefore eligible for his new job. I know... that's not good enough for some.

Great points, Southern. I'm afraid much of your research falls on some deaf ears, but it's important, nonetheless.
Some lawyers become VERY popular by being involved in high-profile cases and I think both Berg and Keyes are hoping a lawsuit against the most popular president in many years is their ticket to fame. (Had anyone heard of Phil before this?)

Even losers become popular and get a hike in business. These guys are both multiple losers in their fields and are grasping at what they see as the brass ring...

The problem with these suits is they state several vague charges. They include "Obama might have been born in Kenya" or "he could be a citizen of Indonesia" or maybe "he's possibly not really a natural-born citizen of the US", but they don't settle on one charge because they're not sure of any of them, so they cover all the bases in hopes of a deeper investigation to turn up something!
Please! SOMETHING! They're desperate to find SOMETHING to keep this man out of the White House, so they bring lawsuits with multiple possiblecharges and hope that something will stick or "turn up".

If they had any real evidence, they'd go for ONE charge and present solid evidence. Everything they have is circumstantial, at best.



posted on Nov, 17 2008 @ 08:15 AM
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First a certification of live birth is not a birth certificate.


I wish I had a dollar for everytime this has been pointed out on this forum.



posted on Nov, 17 2008 @ 08:26 AM
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The little car insurance card we carry in our cars and on our persons is not our insurance policy, either. But it's still considered "Proof of Insurance". The information on that card comes directly from the policy. Same with the CoLB.



posted on Nov, 17 2008 @ 08:35 AM
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The big snafu with certificate of live birth is in Hawaii you have up to one year after birth to request one. So obviously you can see the gaping hole here that the certificate is proof that his mother was in Hawaii when BO was born.

Couple that with Obama traveling to Hawaii in the middle of his campaign during the Russian/Georgian conflict to seal his birth records and you have the recipe for a major conspiracy (and this is the right place for conspiracies).



posted on Nov, 17 2008 @ 08:48 AM
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Originally posted by Mercenary2007

Another interesting thing you should know. Obama didn't register for selective service until 2008.
Have a look at this Thread

By not registering with selective service he violated federal law and is still within the statute of limitations. and if convicted he would be a convicted felon and ineligible to vote hold a senate seat let alone be POTUS!




fter contacting the Selective Service System for an answer several times since late June, Pajamas Media obtained official confirmation from the Selective Service System via email that Barack Obama did indeed register for the Selective Service as required by law, and is eligible to run for the presidency.

Mr. Owens,

Barack Hussein Obama registered at a post office in Hawaii. The effective registration date was September 4, 1980.

His registration number is 61-1125539-1.

Daniel Amon
Public Affairs Specialist

It is difficult to determine why no one had confirmed Obama’s Selective Service registration until now. The mainstream media may have had no interest in pursuing the story for a multitude of valid reasons.




posted on Nov, 17 2008 @ 08:52 AM
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I guess we will all find out December 1st..

Either way, he could more likely that not likely get a fake certificate or truly be a us citizen..

he's not going to be booted..



posted on Nov, 17 2008 @ 09:06 AM
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Originally posted by mrwupy
This would go away instantly if he would simply produce his birth certificate, rather than a certificate of live birth.

Yep. a certificate of live birth - through a left wing mouthpiece - Daily Kos.

HEY .. I thought there was supposed to be ONE official thread on Obama's Birth Certificate. How come we've got more popping up now?



posted on Nov, 17 2008 @ 09:28 AM
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You can follow Obama money all the way to factcheck.org. Not to mention the certificate of live birth says at the bottom, "Any alterations invalidates this certificate" or something to that tune. For one, the serial number is blacked out. That is one alteration. For two, the whole thing is reversed. That would be alteration number 2. He's a trojan horse people. Wake up. Birth certificate or no birth certificate. A damn trojan horse. Just wait and see. We who deny ignorance will show you. Just like with the economic collapse. BTW, Those of you who think Obama is a savior, might as well chip yourself now.



posted on Nov, 17 2008 @ 09:33 AM
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I love this infatuation with 'no mainstream' news sources have jumped on this story...



Tell me who... Outside of sites such as these... has even HEARD about BHO not showing his BC, sealing his records DURING the campaign... What his REAL name is...

Tell me exactly which 'mainstream' media has informed the public that our POTUS in waiting name contains the word 'HUSSEIN'?

Dear OP... your contention that it aint the facts till it's news in the 'mainstream' media...

AEIOU...



posted on Nov, 17 2008 @ 09:37 AM
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Originally posted by kaspermartyrphantom
You can follow Obama money all the way to factcheck.org. Not to mention the certificate of live birth says at the bottom, "Any alterations invalidates this certificate" or something to that tune. For one, the serial number is blacked out. That is one alteration. For two, the whole thing is reversed. That would be alteration number 2. He's a trojan horse people. Wake up. Birth certificate or no birth certificate. A damn trojan horse. Just wait and see. We who deny ignorance will show you. Just like with the economic collapse. BTW, Those of you who think Obama is a savior, might as well chip yourself now.


*Sigh*, now if you are going to CLAIM this, then surely you would like to present a source for reference?



posted on Nov, 17 2008 @ 10:00 AM
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Originally posted by mrwupy
This would go away instantly if he would simply produce his birth certificate, rather than a certificate of live birth.

The debacle is just as much his fault as it is those who raise the questions.

Why won't he produce his birth certificate?

Why should he? Has any other president elect ever been asked to produce his birth certificate?

Do you really think that the "authorities" don't already know one way or another? Come on get real unless you are going to tell me that an organisations like the CIA/FBI etc can only prove Obama's birthplace with the piece of paper in Obama's possesion. Totally preposterous.



posted on Nov, 17 2008 @ 10:10 AM
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I know, I know, It's Wikipedia. Verifiable though.

en.wikipedia.org...

FactCheck.org is a nonprofit, nonpartisan website that describes its own goal as "[reducing] the level of deception and confusion in U.S. politics." It is a project of the Annenberg Public Policy Center of the Annenberg School for Communication at the University of Pennsylvania, and is funded primarily by the Annenberg Foundation.

Barack Obama was a founding member, chairman, and president of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge, which was also funded by the Annenberg Foundation. The president and chairwoman of the foundation, Leonore Annenberg, born in 1918, endorsed John McCain in the 2008 presidential election.



There. are you happy?





posted on Nov, 17 2008 @ 10:15 AM
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The nation at large, the DNC, hell even the Republican party has been satisfied by Obama's birth certificate.

The only people still claiming it's not valid are either extreme right wing drones or conspiracy theorists.


Let it die already.



posted on Nov, 17 2008 @ 10:20 AM
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Can you prove anything, or are you towing the party line as well?
Not an uno liner.



posted on Nov, 17 2008 @ 11:15 AM
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Originally posted by TheWalkingFox
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He did, actually. Why don't you people bother researching before you open your mouths?




[edit on 16-11-2008 by TheWalkingFox]


No he didn't. It's funny when noticing how other people aren't doing the research when yourself haven't done your homework properly. He produced a certificate of live birth and not a birth certificate. This document hasn't been shown yet. Other then that we have few claims from people at Hawaii hospital, that's all. Claims without any physical prove aren't facts, are they? How hard is to make public a document that's becoming a pain in Obama's butt and end for good all the controversy surrounding this story? The way I see it, VERY EASY and damn logical. Then why is not being shown? Can you answer to that?



[edit on 17-11-2008 by Telos]



posted on Nov, 17 2008 @ 11:21 AM
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Originally posted by neformore


Lets face facts.

He's damned if he does, and damned if he doesn't, because the people that are making an issue of this aren't going to be satisfied one way or the other.


You gotta love the mods and posters coming out of the woodwork to dismiss a conspiracy, on a conspiracy forum. Of course, these exact same people support a whole forum dedicated to blaming 9/11 on Bush and would probably still claim Bush stole the 2000 election.

You gotta admit, its pretty ironic.


Originally posted by Loki
Let it die already.


You see? When its a democrat being discussed we're all supposed to "move on". Its only worthy of attention if it involves:

-White male/female
-Republican
-Christian

[edit on 17-11-2008 by Marcus Calpurnius]



posted on Nov, 17 2008 @ 11:27 AM
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Originally posted by mrwupy
This would go away instantly if he would simply produce his birth certificate, rather than a certificate of live birth.

The debacle is just as much his fault as it is those who raise the questions.

Why won't he produce his birth certificate?


There is no "debacle" with the exception of folks like yourself.

Producing his birth certificate to Berg...even responding to Berg or his ilk is like playing fetch with a rabid dog. Berg et al is not interested in truth or justice...

Obama doesn't owe any frothing at the mouth idiot his energy, time etc. ALL legitmate inquiries from BOTH sides of the political isle as well our governemnt have examined his eligibility thoroughly and concluded he was born in Hawaii.

What desperate, slobbering, gibberish..

The only thing more pathetic than outright propaganda is FAILED propaganda...
[edit on 17-11-2008 by maybereal11]

[edit on 17-11-2008 by maybereal11]





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