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Calling all ATS'ers: Time to deny ignorance regarding Obama and the NWO

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posted on Nov, 7 2008 @ 06:13 AM
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yeah, it is truly sad, now so many millions can't see the writing on the wall..

none of us are saying here that this is all Obama's doing; we're just saying that he represents more of the same; he couldn't have been 'elected' otherwise..

do your homework; this is not a coup by a man of the people.. at all.. socialism, facism, I don't care what you call it or what form it takes; it's all the same, and has been for over 100 years..

no conspiracies...? power, by definition, conducts itself in a conspiratorial manner:

Gulf of Tonkin, Federal Reserve, JFK, Watergate, 911, Oklahoma City..

there are some ATSers that need to do some serious homework..

don't insult our intellegence; get waking up or get off the forum; you are part of the problem !!




posted on Nov, 7 2008 @ 06:44 AM
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Originally posted by Question
Would you like us to join the cult of Obama and start chanting "one of us! one of us!" as well? What color uniforms will we be wearing when we join?

Please don't insult the intelligence of ATSers here. Just because he won, doesn't mean he will be any good to this country (in fact, many have given good evidence and arguments to the opposite)

The minute you said that the NWO might not be so bad is the minute you lost my respect and the respect of many here who, sorry, just don't like the idea of being enslaved and later be led to slaughter by greedy corporations..


Yes bravo to you with a star, and I will remind the ignorance espoused by this Obamanoid that their was a man named Bush who won an election also and we saw many here bitch for eight years.

Consider this, we have the most inexperienced, unknown unqualified, un-tested rookie freshman literallly buying his way into office while inheriting the most complex economic mess since the depression, two wars while rising powers are threatening and THIS guy wants to cut taxes, give everyone an education, healthcare, a good living wage, contentment a Government entitlement and I got to say anyone that can promise all that at a time like this with as empty a resume as his,, Be Afraid,,

Be VERY Afraid



posted on Nov, 7 2008 @ 09:02 AM
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Well, honestly, being the semi-optimist that I am, I am willing to give the man a chance. I just think that those who speak of this man as if he were some kind of a "savior" are very misguided.

Also,it will be interesting to see if he even makes it through his first term. If the mnan is truly good, he probably won't make it. One of the peculiarities of history is that anyone who has ever tried to make change for the good has wound up in a grave yard. It's sad, but true.



posted on Nov, 7 2008 @ 09:31 AM
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I tend to think that people who are suspicious and scared of the hope that Obama inspires are really just wary of being disappointed and have been jaded by the politics of the status quo.

People just have to let that go. Worry never fixes anything.

Just like relationships IRL, you can't be suspicious of your new flame because your ex broke your heart. It will never work out.

[edit on 7/11/2008 by kosmicjack]



posted on Nov, 7 2008 @ 10:08 AM
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I will deny ignorance but never deny FACTS...I have done my homework and then some, all it takes is a little effort to uncover way more than an unsavory findings of all sorts ranging from unsavory friends of racial bigotry to misproper fundings a school issue ACORN, as well as taking a 'WORLD TOUR" at whosever expense it was on, from Israel Germany etc...look up what Iraeli- Jews have to say both from the pro and con. ATS One World Order, because we have done our homework, we are paying attention. How about doing more research then coming back and letting us know how this ISN"T a New World Order barking up the rear, or share with us how you can be Pastored by a minister for twenty years and just now realize the man was racist? Cut me a break, I have my free right NOT to congratulate nor am I bought by this eloquent speech, tear jerking, while Lassie plays in the background. I dont buy it! Even my afro american pastor here at home doesn't buy it. We would love to see all as one, but not like this! *My pastor would have never stated racial slanders and nor would I have ever been in a congregation of such that would* All are one in the Body of Christ, is our teaching.


[edit on 11/7/2008 by LadyPropag8r]

[edit on 11/7/2008 by LadyPropag8r]



posted on Nov, 7 2008 @ 10:17 AM
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What scares me about the guy is that he is a incredible good orator. Or someone is writing some incredible speeckes for him.I see him able to control the masses only by speech and not by any acts of facts. All presidents mess up sooner or later ...what matters is how much they mess up and i hope he wont mess up like Bush did. He did not only make the Americans love him but a lot of the entire world also...and only by words .



posted on Nov, 7 2008 @ 12:10 PM
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Let me make something abundantly clear. I am anti-Obama. Always have been, awlays will be. I do not believe the man will do us much good, other than make ourselves have higher self-esteem.

However, where I draw the line is that I live in the real world, not a fantasy one.

First off, I distinguish between conspiracies and Conspiracies. Conspiracies with a lower-case "c" so obviously happen. They happen all the time. Conspiracies with a capital "c," however, do not exist and do not happen. Any educated and informed person would know that and any study of history and sociology would reveal the true forces at work.

A Conspiracy (capital c) is the term in the vernacular: a theory in which a small group of individuals and other organizations vie for world domination and even control and shape world events behind the scenes, using an incredible array of power afforded to them. They are unified by a particular ideology, everything that happens, even if it does not seem to benefit them, is part of some grand master plan and forms some sort of deceptive role on their way to achieving their goal of world domination. To understand what I mean when I say there are no Conspiracies, just read the Wikipedia article below:

Conspiracy theory

Now, do conspiracies with a lower-case happen? Absolutely. Does a particular idea tend to trump the others and become a driving force behind such actions? Absolutely. However, these acts and these ideologies are secondary to the motivation on the part of those in power to maintain their position in society. Those in power are what C. Wright Mills referred to as "The Power Elite." The important distinction about the power elite and the groups purported to be behind the NWO is that the power elite is a fairly large, DIVERSE group, and are thus unified by nothing except for their wealth, power, and desire to maintain their position in society, just like we all want to maintain our positions in society. Their actions are not dictated by their visions of what the world should look like, but rather making money, holding onto money, and holding onto the power that they vest. Thus, while Bill Clinton and George W. Bush are very different people, they are both members of the power elite as they are both incredibly wealthy and carry significant amounts of political power.

I explain this phenomena in far better detail in this thread right here:

Transition: From New WORLD Order to New NATIONAL Order?

This is the problem with the conspiratorial view of history, society, and world events. It completely ignores the very elementary dynamics of social interactions, historical events, and boils down all events to a matter of just a few people. Anybody who "does their homework," as all of you say, would find that social change and world events are a result of broader, collective change as opposed to anything one or just a few people do.

Looks like a lot of people need to do that homework.

[edit on 7-11-2008 by sweatmonicaIdo]



posted on Nov, 7 2008 @ 12:48 PM
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So it isn't enough that he was elected president, now the Obama-ites want total capitulation and acceptance without complaint from those who didn't support him. He voted in favor of nationalization of corporate debts at the taxpayer's expense... that alone makes him an NWO clown. You're jabbing at our eyeballs in hopes that we'll become blind and it isn't going to work.



posted on Nov, 7 2008 @ 01:10 PM
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Yeah right ,should I be the one to bring up the naked fascism of the outgoing administration? What can I say if ?I guess this ,if that isn't obvious to you then Barack is not the one who stabbed out your eyes possibly you are deaf as well?

The Bush administration is the one that drove the car over the cliff that got us into two wars ! Conspiracy ? not the biggest secret in the world when Bush OPENLY admits he destroyed the country for MONEY.

Who has been saying NEW WORLD ORDER FOR 70 YEARS? Starting with Presscot Bush and culminating with Dubaya?Can you say 911?

what is the point exactly ? Do you really think you can have a culture with no government?

Okay I admit it Barack is conspiring to save the country and restore peace prosperity and international respect,That MONSTER!


Don't worry though ,you can still hide in your secret bunker and pretend the big bad Black Guy is out to enslave you,it's a free country



posted on Nov, 7 2008 @ 01:35 PM
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New World Order has been termed by former presidents back to Reagan through G President Bush, been seen on the www.whitehouse.gov... webpage been seen on the UN main webpage as well as a major catch all cliche for most politicians, so we could say, New World Order according to whose terms? All has used this term loosely as well as was in President Elect Obama's speech. " New World, New World order....man so I would be thrilled to see this in application of USA however, not when one is being spotted globetrotting around the world, fix things in US first then spread on outward? Get the fire out at home first before it spreads to the neighbors? One would have had to keep the ears shut not to hear this loose term. So why the term used at all?
1. So we all can sing this beautiful unity song with a glow on our faces while singing we can make a change? 2. Just because it sounds good? 3. Its all about the $$$$$$$$ Always about the $$$$$$$ and hidden agendas!
3. Make it SOUND like we are in unity when we really aren't?
Yes, I am paying attention yet cannot afford to, and yes, I do my homework, I don't fall into a trance and tossing tears around unless I really see a reason to.



posted on Nov, 7 2008 @ 02:00 PM
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I have nothing against your views at all. I would like to respectably point out that if you are going to follow the movie "Fight Club", then how can you believe that world can't survive without government. That was the point of the entire movie, that and the guy was completely insane. What the movie was meant to portray is how depressing our lives are and how we are all slaves to the control of government, religion and money.

Fight Club was a headless organization that completely operated without any supervision or "control", no government. There was only an icon, Tyler Durden. The next step was to free the rest of the country, hence the end of the movie where all debt was set to $0.00 so they could start all over with everyone making decisions for themselves and operating independently by their own free will. This is true freedom not the bull# nightmare taht we are living everyday. Sure I am free to go to the beach and hang out with friends all day. Unfortunately, that would create a lot of spending guilt and create a ton of stress due to the fact that I would have to pay for gas to get to the beach, buy food to eat, pay a park fee, and when all is said and done I will be thinking about how I have to go back to my # job the next day.

We need a new civilization. We are in the new millennium and about to enter the age of Aquarius. It is time to evolve to a resource based civilization that has none of the bull#!!! It is time to become human again!!!



posted on Nov, 7 2008 @ 02:01 PM
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haha it's a conspiracy web site, don't come to this site NOT to hear that stuff, you wana here something closer to waht you are talking about... go to fox news. com or cnn. com hahaha



posted on Nov, 7 2008 @ 02:17 PM
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I'd just like to add that Obama's very own VP Joe Biden wrote an article in the Wall St. Journal in '92 titled "How I Learned to Love the New World Order". So if that doesn't spell it out for ya ...



posted on Nov, 7 2008 @ 02:20 PM
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Originally posted by pjslug
Obama's the puppet for the NWO!!"
When are you people going to give it a rest!?!?


ABC News

When obama stops putting advisory people from the Bildebergers (johnson) and Freddie Mac (Emanuel) in key positions - then I'll stop questioning his NWO connections.

No change.

edited immediately to fix sentence

[edit on 11/7/2008 by FlyersFan]



posted on Nov, 7 2008 @ 02:25 PM
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It gets worse too. Rahm helped ram NAFTA and the AWB through under Clinton. He's also one of the biggest recipients of wall street money in Congress. He's going to be all for the Obama Youth. Here's a nifty quote from a book he co-authored titled The Plan: Big Ideas For America. "It’s time for a real Patriot Act that brings out the patriot in all of us. We propose universal civilian service for every young American. Under this plan, All Americans between the ages of eighteen and twenty-five will be asked to serve their country by going through three months of basic training, civil defense preparation and community service. Here’s how it would work. Young people will know that between the ages of eighteen and twenty-five, the nation will enlist them for three months of civilian service. They’ll be asked to report for three months of basic civil defense training in their state or community, where they will learn what to do in the event of biochemical, nuclear or conventional attack; how to assist others in an evacuation; how to respond when a levee breaks or we’re hit by a natural disaster. These young people will be available to address their communities’ most pressing needs. Emanuel and co-author Bruce Reed insist "this is not a draft," but go on to write of young men and women, "the nation will enlist them for three months of civilian service." They also warn, "some Republicans will squeal about individual freedom," ruling out any likelihood that they would let people opt out of universal citizen service. As chief of staff, Emanuel will not be in a position to directly introduce public policy, but his enthusiasm for compulsory service, combined with Barack Obama’s own plan to require high school students to perform 50 hours of government-approved service, suggest an unfortunate direction for the new administration." Israel is rejoicing now that they have a man in the white house. Mazal Tav



posted on Nov, 7 2008 @ 02:31 PM
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Originally posted by invisiblewoman

Yeah right ,should I be the one to bring up the naked fascism of the outgoing administration? What can I say if ?I guess this ,if that isn't obvious to you then Barack is not the one who stabbed out your eyes possibly you are deaf as well?


Yeah I see how it is,, Obama isn't even president yet and you think he has it all figured out. You know I got four years to decide whether this man is a good President or not. Until then I am relegated to just keeping my fingers crossed. However if I HAD to give an answer right now, the answer no matter who it is about or what it is about, it's always going to be NO.



Bush OPENLY admits he destroyed the country for MONEY.


Really? I had not heard that one. Might you have a link to a news source?



Who has been saying NEW WORLD ORDER FOR 70 YEARS? Starting with Presscot Bush and culminating with Dubaya?Can you say 911?


Well actually it goes all the way back to the book of revelation and that book is getting more accurate every day



what is the point exactly ? Do you really think you can have a culture with no government?


Do YOU really think he made any statement even close to saying that?

So why ask him to answer a question about a statment he never made?



Okay I admit it Barack is conspiring to save the country and restore peace prosperity and international respect,That MONSTER!


Barack Obama never liked this country, nor did his wife, he loves the country he wants to change ours into. The only problem with that is THAT ain't the right one either.



Don't worry though ,you can still hide in your secret bunker and pretend the big bad Black Guy is out to enslave you,it's a free country



ha ha kinda reminds me of the three little pigs with you laughing at those who made their house out of bricks,

instead of straw

[edit on 7-11-2008 by MAINTAL]



posted on Nov, 7 2008 @ 02:39 PM
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Are you kidding me? Have you done any research on 9-11 at all? That was a Conspiracy, yeah capital "C" buddy. Everyone can have their own opinion, but facts are facts and the FACT that there are people who don't see that, means it will happen again and again. So damn sad.........



posted on Nov, 7 2008 @ 03:04 PM
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I'm glad you brought up fight club,I don't follow the the terrorist principles advocated in the movie ,but I do understand how such movements can come to be seen as the only way out of our failures as a civilization ,and I empathize with Tyler Durdens, disillusionment to the point,that it causes a fragmentation of his identity. I really quote 'Fight Club' as a warning to power ,you can only kick a dog so long before it turns and bites you,Heaven you if by then the dog has been driven crazy as well .

I'm not really a worshiper of Obama,what I actually am is a life long hater of the Bush /Bilderberger/ Trilateralist,NWO.



I also think everyone who is against the Fascist Totalitarian World order ,should work together we aren't all the same but they are .So I guess all I'm saying is the past administration just isn't getting enough credit for,the issues we're facing currently.



posted on Nov, 7 2008 @ 03:26 PM
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If Obama gets in office, and has Karl Rove, George Bush, Dick Cheaney, Donald Rumsfeld, and the rest of the Neocons that I despise thrown in jail on war crimes and then terminates the Patriot Act and HR1955 legislation... And then has a real independent investigation into 9-11.

He can do whatever he wants from then on out (except 'Chip' Me)...

If Obama did all that... He could even make an announcement that the World Population needs to be reduced,... come to my house... And look me in the eye and say: "Doomsday, we need to reduce the population... and we are starting with you."

I'd be cool with that.




You can't change the damage that the Bush regime caused.



posted on Nov, 7 2008 @ 03:43 PM
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Originally posted by Doomsday 2029


If Obama did all that... He could even make an announcement that the World Population needs to be reduced,... come to my house... And look me in the eye and say: "Doomsday, we need to reduce the population... and we are starting with you."

I'd be cool with that.




When he is done with creating new laws to euthanize the elderly and revamp all kinds of new Abortion laws, I think that may serve to help with that but then again, my advice would be to tell Obama,,

Hey,, you're the one they call the Messiah, not me so

the best way to lead is by example



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