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Calling all ATS'ers: Time to deny ignorance regarding Obama and the NWO

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posted on Nov, 6 2008 @ 09:52 PM
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There are no conspiracies.. just like there are no secrets.. riiiiiiight.

Just cause you do not believe in the boogeyman, does not mean he does not believe in you.

About Obama...yay, yippie, woohoo.. wait he hasn't done anything yet.

Get back to me when that "change" thing happens.

-edit- I just can't believe there hasn't been a funk-da-fied Hail to the chief music video posted on you-tube yet.

You know there will be.

[edit on 6-11-2008 by TwiTcHomatic]




posted on Nov, 6 2008 @ 09:55 PM
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Originally posted by sweatmonicaIdo

There are no conspiracies. Period.

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Really? What exactly do you base your assumption on?

[edit on 6-11-2008 by SpeakerofTruth]



posted on Nov, 6 2008 @ 10:03 PM
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There are no conspiracies. Period.

If you REALLY believe that, then there are a great many cases successfully prosecuted against conspiracies using the RICO Act, that need to be re-opened. By the way, do you have a law degree? Just a rhetorical question. Of course, you don't because if you did, you never would have made such a ridiculous claim.


Subsection 1962(d) makes it unlawful for any person to conspire with any other person to violate Subsections 1962(a), (b) or (c). As I have mentioned in my previous posts, a RICO claim is broad, but a RICO conspiracy claim is even broader. In a RICO conspiracy it is the agreement by a defendant that is necessary for liability. So, a defendant can be engage in a conspiracy even if he does not commit the substantive acts that could constitute violations of Subsections (a), (b) and (c) of Section 1962. An agreement to commit the acts is all that’s needed.




By the way, if people REALLY did understand the RICO ACT, then they would ask the obvious question. Rather than giving the banking and mortgage lenders over $700,000,000,000.00. WHY didn't the government charge them with racketeering under the RICO Act? The situation clearly calls for it.
The answer is obvious, of course.
www.ricolawblog.com...



posted on Nov, 6 2008 @ 10:10 PM
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I hear what you're saying and I agree. Starred and flagged.


However, while a one-world government and one-world currency may not necessarily be a bad thing, being forced into it (via NWO) is a very bad thing.

A one-world government formed voluntarily, willingly and out of necessity for the benefit of mankind is not a bad thing.

A one-world government imposed forcibly, covertly, involuntarily and for the benefit of an elite few is a very bad thing.

Regardless of how much I like and respect Obama, I must admit the possibility (however small) that he is a tool for the NWO, whether it be knowingly or unknowingly.



posted on Nov, 6 2008 @ 10:20 PM
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yuo see i wanted Obama to win very badly in fact, because i believe he will bring change.

but not the change people cheer about.

He is the perfect puppet for the next phase of the global dominance plan, and he will bring about the most horrible changes to the USA that has ever happened,

i laugh at those pathetic people who clap for him, and cheer because he won, and i love it when they say, "He is going to make a change in our world in America!" and their eyes water

and i especially love people like you because you are out there promoting Obama as a good guy

All of it just constantly reminds me how few intelligent people are left on earth.

Who ever thought Bush was Satan, hasnt the complexity to understand what else is coming, Bush was like Lucifer's pet demon.


A vote for Obama is a vote for the devil (or his son), man i would have voted hundreds of times



posted on Nov, 6 2008 @ 10:23 PM
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Originally posted by DarthChrisious
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I hear what you're saying and I agree. Starred and flagged.


However, while a one-world government and one-world currency may not necessarily be a bad thing, being forced into it (via NWO) is a very bad thing.

A one-world government formed voluntarily, willingly and out of necessity for the benefit of mankind is not a bad thing.

A one-world government imposed forcibly, covertly, involuntarily and for the benefit of an elite few is a very bad thing.

Regardless of how much I like and respect Obama, I must admit the possibility (however small) that he is a tool for the NWO, whether it be knowingly or unknowingly.


DarthChrisious,

I agree with everything you say except for the last paragraph.


An elite-forced NWO would definitely be a bad thing, but that is not at all what I think Obama has been talking about. Sometimes certain ideals need to be presented to the people in a forceful manner, because humanity has the tendency to just sit and wait for things to happen as they shrivel up and die. It will always require a great motivator to be the catalyst for a great change.


To MetatronCubensis,

Obama needed large campaign contributions to get the word out and be as successful as he was. That does not mean that he will suck up to those companies and do whatever they tell him to. I truly do not believe he will allow bribery from ANY corporation. That is the very thing he has fought against in Washington.

People need to think outside of their bubbles and be willing to take great stands and make great moves forward for the benefit of all humanity. No more free government handouts and welfare recipients... even if the people are mentally handicapped, they can still perform community service by cleaning up the trash on the streets or mowing the lawn at a park, stuffing envelopes for government agencies, etc. If we all work together as a union now, we will all be able to work together as a unified world in the near future.

[edit on 11/6/2008 by pjslug]



posted on Nov, 6 2008 @ 10:40 PM
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I got an idea!

Why don't we just keep speculating until we go insane?

to quote what you said:

"Enough of these absurd conspiracy theories. Enough of the doom and gloom. Enough of the fearmongering and brainwashing!! "

What is wrong with the emotion of "doubt"?

That's why the conspiracies exist in the first place.

Obama is one of those "too good to be true" persons who brings promises, yada yada yada...Sorry but, that's how you get screwed over easier than anyone in today's society: letting your guard down, and giving away your trust.

It's too bad more people aren't as optimistic as you are, but that could be a bad thing for everyone who didn't agree with you.

Still good opinionated post.



posted on Nov, 6 2008 @ 10:51 PM
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Thanks for starting this thread OP,I'm with you on this one .The Bush administration has shown the world what the NWO they want is all about very clearly ,and you can tell who is a Neo Nazi by who supports their agenda and who doesn't. I have hated them since my first time voting in a presidential election.

I really don't think that Barack Obama is anything but what he says he is ,a man whose ideals were formed by his unique upbringing, and whose values were then cemented by his adult experiences and work.

He does give a damn and he has very clear goals and very clear reasons for what he does. I have not heard him waiver from what he has always stood for in any way except maybe how to go about it .

I don't think he is the second coming of anything ,but there are people in this world who do care and love and live for higher principles ,that have nothing to do with money and greed and consuming evil.

Before him there were others but we ridiculed them and would not support their quest,hopefully we have learned the lesson and this time will obey what he calls our Higher Angels



posted on Nov, 6 2008 @ 11:39 PM
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As someone who was in favor of Ron Paul, I really cannot believe how stupid he sounds after just listening to him on the Alex Jones show (see thread here on ATS). The two of them keep saying he is the NWO puppet and dates of a new monetary currency will be announced. This really has made me lose a lot of respect for Ron Paul, and maybe he isn't the man I thought he was. Perhaps it's a good thing he isn't president of the United States.

Here's my response: And why is this supposed NWO such a bad thing? Why is a world government or currency such a bad idea? If the monetary system was controlled by many world interests, maybe more money would get spent on science and research. Maybe we would get our asses in space and start exploring the solar system. And is democratic socialism so bad? I have no problem with people being more equal. If everyone cared less about material stuff, maybe they would care about something greater than themselves, like the planet on which they live or the universe they inhabit.


Well I am sorry that you lost your faith in freedom. Maybe you should go live in another country since they have it soooo great. Too bad you aren't even grateful for everything that our forefathers fought for and fought against! If you are indeed American then you should have a relative or a friend that is still fighting for our rights.

Maybe you need to be educated a bit more on the reality of world history. People like you are not supposed to drop out of high school, you need to learn how to learn completely. We have been fighting the NWO for a reason. It is called FREE WILL!!! Please take the time to research the Federal Reserve and the central bank of England. Find the true reasons that we are fighting the NWO. It is because our current world governments are set up for failure. If you can't find information yourself I will be happy to school you a bit.

Have Fun



posted on Nov, 7 2008 @ 12:09 AM
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your getting very sleepy..lol obama has you and the rest of the world under a spell...he is the antichrist



posted on Nov, 7 2008 @ 12:13 AM
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Please!!!

I am not in the whole "Obama is God's gift" crowd. However, he's not the anti-Christ. The anti-Christ will have certain characteristics and prophecy has laid those characteristics out. Obama doesn't have them.



posted on Nov, 7 2008 @ 12:38 AM
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Unlike most I am willing to give Obama a chance, but here's what what worries me.
Obama somehow managed to defeat the Clintons in the primary, the Clintons have known connections to the Bilderberg group. You do not defeat the Clintons without a 'helping hand' from someone.



posted on Nov, 7 2008 @ 12:53 AM
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Maybe Obama is being set up. Maybe since things are getting bad there is a chance to let someone in that will fail no matter how good of a job he does. Maybe he will be faced with a decision that will ruin him and all he stands for. Is that enough conspiracy for you?

Honestly, this whole religious thing needs to be put away. Every time we think we found some horrible demon everyone gets crazy and then nothing happens. I am pretty sure that there is no Anti Christ. Unless we are talking about the opposite of the sun, now that is a possibility.

There is still a while to go before we are to change into a new age anyways, at least 50 years. Maybe if we all stop thinking so negatively then we could have a bright and peaceful future. Ideas become things, negative ideas become negative things and positive ideas become positive things. It is that simple. Lucky for us affirmative thoughts are 100,000 times more powerful than negative ones. So us people of the light are pretty confident that the future will blind all that thinks otherwise.



posted on Nov, 7 2008 @ 01:22 AM
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I think people who think everything is corrupt are not seing the whole picture and not giving decency a chance

What kind of mind do you have if you defeat yourself before the war is fought ? do you think it smart to be cynical about everything and everyone ? The Bilderbergers and all those people are just people .

I read history books everything goes in cycles begins and ends and begins again. The greatest power these wealthy arrogant autocrats have is those who keep saying the war is lost before it's fought

Those who say Obama is the same or anyone like him are defeating themselves and serving no good thing ,that makes them part of the problem.

You all are shooting yourselves in the foot and then congratulating yourselves for some kind of false intellectual superiority,if people would stop doing that then the evil NWO would have no traction at all they only want to keep you paralyzed with fear and paranoia ,Good luck with that



posted on Nov, 7 2008 @ 01:49 AM
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I hate ignorant people, someone needs to give you a rest!!!!



[edit on 7-11-2008 by The Stand]



posted on Nov, 7 2008 @ 01:54 AM
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Welcome to ATS. I say this because it sounds like you're a little lost.

Your post confuses and enrages me. I will never understand why people are so quick to throw away your freedoms for something you don't understand. Why do you want a world government? Why do you want a single monetary system? What makes you think that if the "monetary system was controlled by many world interests...more money would get spent on science and research."? Why don't they do that now, with the exchange rate as it is now, most companies and governments could make money by simply converting it into another currency. Do you know what you're talking about? I may not agree with what you're saying, and I may respect you're right to say it, but what you are saying is ignorant, and against all that our framers have fought for.

Perhaps it's that you don't believe in liberty or freedom. Perhaps you don't understand the difference between surrogate and indigenous power. Maybe it's because you don't understand how central banks control populations through debt. If you want to remove the constitution, install a world bank, a single monetary system, and enough debt and control to turn us all into slaves, be my guest. Just know, "You can't conquer a free man; the most you can do is kill him." -Robert Heinlein.


I just hope one day you and others like you will wake up.



posted on Nov, 7 2008 @ 01:55 AM
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Well I guess it's official.

Even people who know what's going on and visit conspiracy forums have fallen under Obama's spell. We've gone backwards from spreading the truth, to believing the lies.

This is truly a sad time in America, as we will see in the coming years.



posted on Nov, 7 2008 @ 02:00 AM
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There are no conspiracies. Period.


Watergate.


Need I say more?
Conspiracy

[edit on 7-11-2008 by senyushkin]



posted on Nov, 7 2008 @ 03:07 AM
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I couldn't say that better myself.



posted on Nov, 7 2008 @ 03:21 AM
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Oh dear, another typical hypnotized Obama supporter.



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