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Originally posted by EyesWideShut Yeah... what ever happened to Ron Paul?...
Originally posted by k-string
at the OP:
I think it's sad that you work 60 hours a week, meanwhile your kids grow up without knowing dad.
At least under Obama you won't have to work abusively long and you'll get to spend more time with your family.
Some people need to wake up and realize that time is infinitely worth more than money.
Originally posted by pexx421
further, apparently you group large government with leftist ideology, but the right has been growing government faster than anyone else! Further, Anarchism is a part of leftist ideology, and that is completely against large government. I think you are not quite correct in your assessment of left and right.
Originally posted by pexx421
Fascism happens in a capitalist democracy due to the fact that massive accumulation of wealth in the hands of the few is disruptive to the democratic process. That wealth is then used BY the corporations to push legislation, just as is happening in the US today, to benefit those said corporations through monopolism, subsidies, etc. It IS the governments job to protect the people from threat and that includes the threat to their democracy posed by massive multibillion corporations manipulating laws, media, etc.
Again, more straw man here's more proof that we DON'T live in a capitalist country.
As to socialism, your "definitions" are based not on independent tennets of socialism, but obviously upon your ideology, and have nothing to do with the reality of socialism that has been effective in many other countries. In Alaska the oil industry has part of its profits nationalized to provide money to the citizens...this is a form of socialism.
There are gains, but the gains are kept 100% for the State. Since government has always been proven to be inefficient in EVERYTHING is it no wonder that even among these great social gains the LARGEST poverty resides in these political/economic systems.
In venezuela, chavez is using income from the nationalized industries to provide education and healthcare to his people. This is socialism. The idea that there is no "profit" in socialism is flawed and exists in none of the current western european socialist democracies.
Originally posted by whaaa
To borrow a phrase from the conservative talking points manual....
"America, Love it or Leave it"
God Bless America
The people have spoken!! What is it about a DEMOCRATIC REPUBLIC that you don't understand?
[edit on 4-11-2008 by whaaa]
Originally posted by Gateway
We have only to blame one man and his crew of fascist for leading us down this road towards socialism. Thank Bush and his band of merry Neocons for our problems...
The republicans need to purge ALL the NEOCONS from the conservative party and send them BACK TO THE DEMOCRATS, where they belong. Let this loss be a lesson to all the SO-CALLED "Conservatives" who support this type of BIG-GOVERNMENT conservatism.
TODAY is going to be a painful lesson indeed, for all of us!
[edit on 4-11-2008 by Gateway]
Originally posted by pexx421
further, apparently you group large government with leftist ideology, but the right has been growing government faster than anyone else! Further, Anarchism is a part of leftist ideology, and that is completely against large government. I think you are not quite correct in your assessment of left and right.
Originally posted by Gateway
Originally posted by pexx421
further, apparently you group large government with leftist ideology, but the right has been growing government faster than anyone else! Further, Anarchism is a part of leftist ideology, and that is completely against large government. I think you are not quite correct in your assessment of left and right.
Kid, you have got to be kidding. Where did you get your education? You have it all backwards. Anarchy is the absence of a State, the further right you go the less and less government you have until you have anarchy. Which is zero state...
As a libertarian I would rather live under an anarchist state, which is closer to OUR views, rather than an ever growing state which is what the left has to offer.
Originally posted by Gateway
reply to post by mattguy404
Nope my friend, what we are going to have is CAPITAL FLIGHT...
What does that mean? It means that those that have money to invest will just take their toys away, and leave us to wallow further into poverty. Instead of investments which create jobs, we are going to have divestment and loss of jobs....
Nope...I see some bad times ahead..