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posted on Nov, 5 2008 @ 05:24 PM
God is not going to help you.

But yes. You are wrong.

posted on Nov, 5 2008 @ 05:27 PM
reply to post by pexx421

And to rikk? i think it is? the guy with einstein for your avatar, but bashing socialism??? Albert einsten proclaimed socialism as the only hope for the future of humanity, as did hellen keller and many other such people, albert also wrote several articles on it. Pointless to state here, though, as im sure most people lamenting socialism on this board have likely never read a single book about it.

He may have pexx, but I still wouldn't have voted him for president no matter how much I like him, he stayed in the field of physics.

posted on Nov, 5 2008 @ 05:29 PM
Also people, keep in mind that the socialist candidate himself said that Obama is NOT a socialist. And if socialism is really the root of all evil, then let's get rid of libraries, fire departments, public school, and police stations. Socialism itself is pretty far from perfect, but it's made up of some great ideas as well.

posted on Nov, 5 2008 @ 05:32 PM
reply to post by GrayFox

Yeah, well if you were paying attention I was replying to Trekfan's video of Obama supporters waving the Soviet Flag. That's not ignorant?

Just saying....fools on both sides. Prove me wrong.

posted on Nov, 5 2008 @ 05:39 PM

Originally posted by swdecord

Originally posted by xxpigxx
2.) Entitlements - In the age of the younger crowd and their need to have everything handed to them without working for it . . . Obama promised them free money for nothing, and he gets the 18-24 vote.


I agree...I am a Baby Boomer and went on my own at the age of 17...You rarely hear of kids today leaving home at 17 or 21 (if in college), let alone them working hard for a living...

And you think you would have been able to go it on your at 17 if you were making 30% less pay and paying 300% more for housing? Times are different. To get a decent paying job you need a college degree in the vast majority of cases. This was not true when you were 17. Today you are competing with a massive immigrants for lower-paying jobs after inflation. I do not believe you have factored in these things, but tell me how I am wrong.

[edit on 5-11-2008 by truthquest]

posted on Nov, 5 2008 @ 05:39 PM

Originally posted by tunin
he'll be an excellent president to your country and it will reflect into the rest of the world.

Anyway, much better him than anyone else who thinks like George W. Bush.

I don't like George Bush at all but Frankly,, I'd take him another four years over Obama, and ya know why?

he'll be an excellent president to your country

for the same reasons you say Obama will be an excellent president.

Lets see now, what are they again?

Experience? NOPE

His voting record? I got one word for ya ,,


His Respectable Religious convictions and raport with the Rev Jeremiah Wright?

His standup freinds and classy colleagues like Bill Ayers and Tony the Racketeer Rezko? or How about that tranny looking wife of his who is finally and for the first time in her life, proud of here counytry.

No,, sorry, I know this is going to be hard to believe but don't be surprised if we go from bad to worse with this guy.

Obama won? then America,, is dead to me.

posted on Nov, 5 2008 @ 05:39 PM
reply to post by Rollinster

The way you worded your post with "Yeah, wow" and the fact that it was right after mine made it seem as if you were replying to my post. It seems to have been a coincidence and I seem to have made a mistake. I am sorry and I hope you won't continue to hold any sort of grudge over this misunderstanding. We're all human, after all. We all make mistakes.

posted on Nov, 5 2008 @ 05:41 PM
lol you guys really make me laugh.

I know Adam Smith talked about "self-interested parties" being an important factor in the operation of an economy... but this argument just takes self-interested to a new level.

I cant wait to see America start hunting communists again - will just prove a point.

Oh and by the way.... congratulations to Obama and all members of congress that got elected this time round, regardless of their party allegiances.


posted on Nov, 5 2008 @ 05:41 PM

Originally posted by undermind

Originally posted by Gateway
reply to post by mattguy404

Nope my friend, what we are going to have is CAPITAL FLIGHT...

What does that mean? It means that those that have money to invest will just take their toys away, and leave us to wallow further into poverty. Instead of investments which create jobs, we are going to have divestment and loss of jobs....

Nope...I see some bad times ahead..

On the contrary. You will see a capital INFLUX, as democrats take on the unparalled spending of the socialist neocon era.

On the contrary, I see small to medium companies and larger size corporations downsizing their operations, to include reduction in employees, inventories, and no new capital purchases to minimize their exposure to the future increases in business taxes PROMISED by Mr. Obama.

Also, American companies will expedite the movement of their operations out of this country to further reduce the taxes they must pass on to the end consumer in an attempt to remain in a competitive position with foreign companies with have much, much lower business taxes.

Increased business taxes translates into less employees, fewer jobs and therefore less taxes collected which equals a net decrease in tax revenues, not a increase. Meanwhile Congress will be going into a period of increase spending and the "projected" tax revenues to support the increase will never appear.

Good luck on all of Mr. Obama's promises.

posted on Nov, 5 2008 @ 05:45 PM
reply to post by GrayFox

Grayfox, it ain't no thing.

Emotions are high here today, I love it (the passion of everyone).

Oh, to be alive today.

edit to add - the "Yeah, Wow." Was my reaction to the video.

[edit on 5-11-2008 by Rollinster]

posted on Nov, 5 2008 @ 05:50 PM

Originally posted by GrayFox
Also people, keep in mind that the socialist candidate himself said that Obama is NOT a socialist. And if socialism is really the root of all evil, then let's get rid of libraries, fire departments, public school, and police stations. Socialism itself is pretty far from perfect, but it's made up of some great ideas as well.

Which we would expect him to say as a politician. He wanted the socialist vote.

posted on Nov, 5 2008 @ 06:01 PM
Found a video of new group a people put out of a job today. It seems Obama intends to do nothing to help these people. Will he provide resources for these people or abandon them? Is this the future for the rest of us?

posted on Nov, 5 2008 @ 06:12 PM
The US did basically turn into the USSA (USSR). I heard a small blip that he wanted to turn the poor class into a middle class. I'm guessing he is referring to his own people. Which isn't necessarily a bad thing, it's only when the people that can now afford can upgrade their education to start a new life. But financially I think it is too late, it will be a problem everywhere, taxes will of course hike, and the stock market. Well... It's not like it's getting any better now is it. So it's a hit and a miss.

As well he has been mentioning about Osama Bin Laden. About finding and killing him. Which is going to cost us even more for the troops. Guess what? Bush tried that and got nothing. I wish he would let go and stop trying to find someone who is non existant. That is not the only bad thing.

The ugly thing is Bush is on the side lines helping Obama making the "important decisions." So now I'm questioning to myself.. Is Obama giving us a false sense of change? Probably only a change that benefits himself and his buds rather than humanity... Forgive me that I'm talking out of my butt.

[edit on 5-11-2008 by Shrukin89]

posted on Nov, 5 2008 @ 06:16 PM
Im sick of everyone saying capitalism has failed... ARE YOU F'ing BLIND? Look where we are! Look how the USA became so powerful. Because of Capitalism!

We are having a recession. IT HAPPENS! You cant go strait up forever. You grow fast and then you have a recession to gather your thoughts and to get things leveled out, then when your grounded you grow again. We are a very productive and driven society because of capitalism. And now with the internet at hand anyone has the ability to figure out how to get into collage. So everyone has an equal chance.

Socialism is just kicking us while we are down right now. If your going to switch to socialism you do it when we are doing well. If you start a socialist society now it will just further hurt the corporations that are already all going through a world of hurt right now. They will be forced to cut even more jobs than they were going to, and this will all snowball into a larger problem down the road.

I mean hell, My uncle who is a CEO & Chairman of some very large (Nasdaq) companies jsut sold out, got cash, and is moving to New Zealand because of what is going to happen. Do you think hes the only one? I spent last weekend with the guy, he knows whats coming and he knows how bad its going to be.

So i do not mind helping those in need, but i do not want to help the people who are just lazy. I walk to class everyday and there are just teenage bums sitting on the side of the road who will harass you for money. And they don't do anything. And they are the ones who will benefit the most out of this. They don't deserve any money. They just yell at you and sit on their asses living off peoples donations. These people do not deserve be be given free handouts. Theres a large group of people who just make enough to survive. And now they will have to do less work or none to survive. Surviving off my back. If your homeless in this country its becasue you want to be.

posted on Nov, 5 2008 @ 06:17 PM

posted on Nov, 5 2008 @ 06:19 PM
There's obviously a lot of disinfo out there right now. For example I just talked to a coworker, she says she's going to cash out her 401k and pay off her house, almost always a bad idea according to financial analysts. I asked why would you do that? She says she heard that Obama was going to take away her 401k.

posted on Nov, 5 2008 @ 06:25 PM
I really hope that Obama has good intentions, but with his associations, I admit I am afraid.

What scares me the most though is how everyone around the world and the people here in America seem to blindly follow and almost worship this man, when they really know nothing about him. I know he represents change and hope, but these people act like he's a messiah come to save them from every plight of this world. His charisma is something that has overwhelmingly got him where he is today. It's sad that there are people like me who can't be excited, but I refuse to be sucked in by Obama's sweet words and promises. I choose to live in reality.

posted on Nov, 5 2008 @ 06:35 PM

Originally posted by Isispriest

When was the last time hard work meant getting ahead? The wealth is in the hands of the speculators and money lenders. Hard work is what is what the majority do just to keep their heads above water month to month.

my hard work put me ahead... It took me from borderline bankruptcy to upper middle class.. ONLY because I worked harder to do better on my own for my children..

posted on Nov, 5 2008 @ 06:58 PM

Originally posted by Gateway
reply to post by Merriman Weir

No, it's not a myth. In this country usually the hardest working are compensated justly. Income reflects productivity here, not always, but more often than not. Those that work the hardest are usually the ones that get promoted, and thus their income reflect this.


if you actually believe that... oh man... that's the most hilarious thing I've ever heard.

posted on Nov, 5 2008 @ 07:01 PM
reply to post by ghostlandseller

That's quite an ignorant assumption to make. Some people just don't have anyone to turn to for help. They are alone. They have no friends or family. They have no home, so they can't put down an address for government help. Lots of thing require a residence. So what are they supposed to do? Sure, there are some homeless druggies that will just steal and rip you off for their next snort of coke, but not every homeless person is like that.

[edit on 5-11-2008 by GrayFox]

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