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posted on Nov, 5 2008 @ 04:21 PM
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and whats the big deal? casue he said he wouldnt and then did


he had his reasons, im not worried about that

im worried about him doing what I voted for him to do, that is all

everything past is now just that




posted on Nov, 5 2008 @ 04:27 PM
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Originally posted by bigvig316
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You see, this is a America, It is predicated on keeping what you make. We fought for freedom on it biggest principal for taxation with out representation. We have a big belief that you should keep what you make. I am not sure how to explain this to you. We are a capitalist, democracy. We are about free trade and making something out of yourself. We don't believe that we should have to tax people to death. You should be able to keep you money and use it for you own means. Over taxation is a sin in this country. We fought wars over it. We fought countries over these thoughts of socialism and communism. We fear socialism because we don't like government being in our lives all the time. Being an American is having the freedom to do what you want and having the tools to do it. I am socialist republic, as in the one we just elected, It is going to be hard to keep small business open, to hire people and keep them employed. It is also going to make it hard to anyone to start a new business.

My question to you is, why do you want your government to take almost half your money, and control you life and run things for you. Don't you want the freedom to do what you want with your money. To choose the kind of support you want and get more of your money back to invest it to make work of you. Socialism is the next step to communism. Be careful of your any government that wants to put their hands in every aspect of your life..


Well if you voted for Republican or Democrat you have already supported socialism. What do you think Medicare and social security is....? My friend your views of America have long been banished with every vote that has been cast for any Republican or Democrat. They are the same.... How do you think this country got where it is today??? Do you think some invisible puppet master has been driving this government? No Republicans and Democrats put us here....And the socialism and communism your afraid of lurking in the shadows of one party or the other..I hate to tell you is here... Don't pay your taxes...see what happens....700 billion dollar bail out to banks...socialism on every aspect.... And higher taxes...please My company bills out over 500k every year and yea I pay an ass load of taxes..Do I like it? No.... But the only way to fair is the fair tax plan that half the people in here have blinders on to and can't get what happens when a fair tax is inacted.... So I won't go there... The point is we have the most sophisticated form of socialism ever! It's so polished even you who have no idea you been paying into it and defend as if it isn't already here?



posted on Nov, 5 2008 @ 04:28 PM
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Originally posted by ImaNutter

There are certainly some unhappy rightys today aren't there?

So, have they changed the name from USA yet? I couldn't find anything on Fox News.


Yeah it is like that but don't worry, we take solace in the knowledge that we are only depressed because we knew better so we won't end up like the Obamanoids will later, depressed and looking very much like the parents of children that had spent the night with Michael Jackson shocked and pathetically Naive when Obama's Rocket Rise to fame and popularity comes crashing down in ineptitude and incompetence. Just like Michaels did in scandalous Child Molestation allegations. While some of us didn't need any convincing, it is those who continued to say WE LOVE YOU MICHAEL and WE LOVE YOU OBAMA! Even AFTER he supported things like infanticide. Only difference, Michael likes to love children and Obama likes to kill them. At least until he can get promoted to a high enough pay grade where he can now tell the difference between an infant born alive and one born alive still alive eight hours later seems to confuse the man.

Tis a great day that America can call itself a melting pot and have a Black/White guy elected as president! Hip hip hurray!

Boy, I just hope it doesn't turn into communism with all that hate speech Obama has been talkin...





Boy, I just hope it doesn't turn into communism with all that hate speech Obama has been talkin...



I don't know about talking it but he sure liked listening to it in Church for twenty years

[edit on 5-11-2008 by MAINTAL]



posted on Nov, 5 2008 @ 04:28 PM
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Originally posted by ImaNutter
There are certainly some unhappy rightys today aren't there?

So, have they changed the name from USA yet? I couldn't find anything on Fox News.

Tis a great day that America can call itself a melting pot and have a Black/White guy elected as president! Hip hip hurray!

Boy, I just hope it doesn't turn into communism with all that hate speech Obama has been talkin...


I'm pretty sure it already has...This is last nights "Yes we can", in front of the White House..Tell me..Do you know what flag that is?? ô¿ô
www.youtube.com...

[edit on 5-11-2008 by MissysWorld]

[edit on 5-11-2008 by MissysWorld]



posted on Nov, 5 2008 @ 04:29 PM
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I have never posted anywhere on this site before, however... I am an avid reader and felt a bit like this needed a response.

My major concern here is that after things get settled with the Obama term, everything will NOT be up to me.

I have talked to persons in Canada, if the national healthcare system is put into place... my health services will not be up to me as I will be shoved in with the same group that is now using public aid health insurance. They are treated very different, it shouldn't be that way but it is. People that I have spoke to in Canada are not happy with their health care they get there. I have been told the doctors are over booked, over worked and burned out. I believe the doctors here will end up being much the same. Thus they will be pushing patients out the door as fast as they walk in. We are going to end up with "drive thru" health care. Not something to look forward to.

I think the prices are going to skyrocket, especially in the resources department. I can barely afford to pay my gas and electric now. Will I be able to afford it after Obama kickes his ideas in? I am greatly concerned. Guess my fireplace better be at the top of my home repair list. That is if we are allowed to use them when the time comes.

Aslo, I am sorry if I sound like I am greedy, but my husband and I work very hard for what we have. We do live paycheck to paycheck with very little extras. We work ourselves to death to provide for our family and I do not think we should have to pay for those who choose not to. Period. I have family members that are like that and they take everything for granted because they get so much of a hand out. I have never got a hand out in my life and don't feel others deserve it either. It is simple, you work, you pay your bills and you don't spend more than what you can afford. All those people that are in foreclosure deserve to be if they are there because they have decided to live beyond their means. We have a couple in the family that lost their house a few months ago because they couldn't afford it. They couldn't afford it when they bought it four years ago and it caught up with them. They should have never made the purchase. Not my fault. We choose to purchase a fixer-upper and are doing it as money allows. You get what you can afford it is that simple.

I am not whining here, I am being realistic. I was not and am not an Obama supporter, not was I for McCain. People are right, we get what we get and I truly feel that in the up and coming days of our precious Obama administration... we are all going to get a whole lot more than what we are expecting and hoping for.

I am also one who really hopes I am wrong, unfortunatily as it stands now, I don't think that is the case.

Bless us all.



posted on Nov, 5 2008 @ 04:29 PM
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Originally posted by mattguy404
Well, thank you for your welcome!

And congratulations and well wishes from myself for the decision your fellow citizens have made today!

And uh, the Republicans nationalized the banking system, the bad mortgages, and Fannie and Freddie, so America was already socialized long before today.

Now Obama will spread the wealth, and not just to the corporate elite.

Wait and see, you might actually get some of it yourself.


What an offensively ignorant remark. You seem to actually claim that we don't currently spread wealth in the USA, where six-figure earners in FACT pay more than half their earnings to the governments. I guess you'll be proud that if you managed to get a decent salary the vast majority of it will be ripped away under Obama, as opposed to apparently the "nothing at all rate" of 50%. You seem to think 50% is nothing at all because you mention that Obama will spread the wealth.

Tell me, what amazingly smart tax rate will Obama impose as a punishment for anyone who is successful? 75% is that your happy-wonderful number where everyone gets along? And of course I'd really LOVE to hear how much you think Obama is going to decrease our national debt while in office. After all, that is the most important change to be made in America assuming you don't want our entire country going bankrupt as it is on track to do with 50+ trillion in total debts (5x GDP!!!).



posted on Nov, 5 2008 @ 04:29 PM
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Well I was going to expand my Biz that would bring 20 more Jobs. But now With Obamas Plan it would not be cost effective and we would just be giving what we make to the Gov. So We will have to pull back. Jobs will be hard to find as every Biz will have to do the same. Few Jobs means slow economy. Small Business is what make the country grow. Obama plan will kill the Small Business. 1 Year from now take a look around and see how you, Your Family and friends are doing and see if you are better off??? Watch the Unemployment rate the next 3 months and then you can see your future. It will be bleak.



posted on Nov, 5 2008 @ 04:30 PM
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Um, and I said I was a communist ? Show me. Didn't think so. I'm not defending Marx, but when people through his ideas around, it seems only fair that I should provide some kind of detail that allows them to get stated as they were written. That's denying ignorance, right ?



posted on Nov, 5 2008 @ 04:38 PM
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this is all such crap. People making over $250,000 will have to suck it up and start paying what they were paying before Bush gave them a ridiculous tax cut. That's it. That's all.

I work for an accounting firm and I know that no one who makes that much has all their income taxed in the first place. In fact, sadly enough, sometimes they end up paying less in taxes than the average Joe (sorry for the "Joe" reference). I've compared the rate of taxation by looking at some of our higher income earning clients to those of our lower earning clients and almost all of the time the higher earners wind up paying less taxes.

It's actually completely unreal. A wealthy person has a multitude of deductions to take off their taxable income and wind up in a far lower tax bracket then they would be in if they didn't have those deductions.

People who are poorer don't have that luxury so in the end, they may very well wind up in a higher tax bracket than someone wealthier than them.

These are facts. Sorry to sound like a child but it is extremely unfair and we have all seen what happened to this country when Bush gave those tax cuts away.



posted on Nov, 5 2008 @ 04:40 PM
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thanks for the clarifying insight nunya


there are a lot of thick skulls here though, lol



posted on Nov, 5 2008 @ 04:44 PM
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Originally posted by Ohword?
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Yeah, because illegals always look for handouts. They NEVER take the sh*tty jobs noone in America wants.


I wonder how many voted? I have a friend who is the VP of a construction company in CA. He has no problem with employees being illegals. And, he has told me that some of them make over $125,000 a year with great insurance! So much for taking the jobs no one else wants!



posted on Nov, 5 2008 @ 04:45 PM
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Originally posted by Masterjaden

Originally posted by Barathrum
i'm not entirely sure that things will be as bad as some believe they will be

i'm also not convinced that things will be as great as others think

i'm of the mind that things will pretty well average out in the long run. presidents come and go, it's the country that is the most important and i don't think one man being elected to run it has ever caused it all to shatter into pieces.

ultimately, it is us who are in charge. it is us that will change this country for better or worse by choosing to allow ourselves to be distracted by what other people stand for and what other people do instead of becoming active in our own communities and involved in ways that make a real difference.

don't let who wins an election make you frown. that's giving someone else power over your perception and ultimately, over you. you are in charge of yourself as an individual and the decisions we all make individually are what truly determine the direction we as a collective take


You keep right on believing that brother. Then when they take away Americans rights to bear arms and to free speech and continue to erode the ability to peacably assemble and then take away the ability to even think negative thoughts about someone. They are set to take away the ability to succeed and be rewarded for that success.

Then when we are defenseless, speechless, hopeless and helpless, we'll see how you feel about it then, but of course by that time you'll have to get permission to tell us how you feel.

blissfull morons, the world is full of them and america is full of 53% of them.


So at the end of Obama's term(s), when you still have your guns, your ability to spew alarmist garbage, and to organize with your fellow alarmists in order to tell everyone how Obama is going to end America, will you retract your statements and admit you were dead wrong? I don't support Obama, I voted Libertarian, but seriously, you sound like a retard. You literally sound like you take Rush Limbaugh's show as a trustworthy news source.



posted on Nov, 5 2008 @ 04:45 PM
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Originally posted by MurderCityDevil
reply to post by bigvig316
 


and whats the big deal? casue he said he wouldnt and then did


he had his reasons, im not worried about that

im worried about him doing what I voted for him to do, that is all

everything past is now just that


What's the big deal? Ha ha Do you know he has been called the Honorable Senator Barack Obama like all the other senators when refering to them in formal introductions.



he had his reasons, im not worried about that

im worried about him doing what I voted for him to do, that is all



Well you now have a good reason to worry because if he can renege on an agreement he made with the Honorable John McCain, what chances have YOU got that he won't think twice about it with you or his support of Israel. Ill tell you somthing guy, they don't call him "get it in writing Obama" in Illinois for nothing. They were even afraid he was going to change his mind about Biden for a time suggesting that HE get it in writing for VP. In Fact if you ask most Obamanoids what gives them any reason to think Obama is a man of his word, ALL they got to go on is it says "The Honorable Barack Obama" on his stationery



posted on Nov, 5 2008 @ 04:47 PM
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All I can say is, hello Fairness Doctrine, hello abortions without restrictions, good bye military, good bye money, hello "civilain security".

Oh boy, will this be fun.



posted on Nov, 5 2008 @ 04:52 PM
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I think you meant to say, Constitutional Republic...
A Democracy is nothing more than mob rules. A Republic, the law rules.
I too fear for this country now. We're considering leaving as soon as possible.



posted on Nov, 5 2008 @ 04:53 PM
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There won't be any United Socialist States of America anytime soon.

If Obama and the Democrats in Congress push too far to the left there will be a backlash just as there was when Clinton came to power which lead to the Republicans taking back Congress.

The military and the defense industries are very conservative. The military-industrial complex, as some call it, will only tolerate so much. There is a line and if Obama and Congress tries to cross it we will have a huge mess. I really do not want President Elect Barack Obama to become our Mikhail Gorbachev.

People should really take a more wait and see approach. Who knows where we will be as a nation this next year?

In all honesty if Obama and Congress pushes too hard too fast to the left our country will either have a coup, balkanize or collapse (Maybe all of the above).

Its sounds crazy but no one thought during the 1984 Olympics in Sarajevo, Yugoslavia that in less than ten years Yugoslavia would fragment into civil war and Sarajevo would be ruins. No one thought in 1990 that the USSR would have a coup in August 1991, fragment and collapse by Dec 25, 1991.

If President elect Obama and the Democratic Congress are not careful, America may go on one hand the route of Yugoslavia or the USSR, but could also take the route of Jorge Videla and Augusto Pinochet.

Its really up to them to balance their reforms with actual reality. Its one thing to be idealistic, but its entirely different to live in some kind of fantasy world.

To quote a very famous communist and very real proverbial truth.
"Political power grows out of the barrel of a gun."
Mao Tse-tung

There will be no USSA as long as the US military exists, period.



posted on Nov, 5 2008 @ 04:55 PM
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Originally posted by nunya13
this is all such crap. People making over $250,000 will have to suck it up and start paying what they were paying before Bush gave them a ridiculous tax cut. That's it. That's all.

I work for an accounting firm and I know that no one who makes that much has all their income taxed in the first place. In fact, sadly enough, sometimes they end up paying less in taxes than the average Joe (sorry for the "Joe" reference). I've compared the rate of taxation by looking at some of our higher income earning clients to those of our lower earning clients and almost all of the time the higher earners wind up paying less taxes.

It's actually completely unreal. A wealthy person has a multitude of deductions to take off their taxable income and wind up in a far lower tax bracket then they would be in if they didn't have those deductions.

People who are poorer don't have that luxury so in the end, they may very well wind up in a higher tax bracket than someone wealthier than them.

These are facts. Sorry to sound like a child but it is extremely unfair and we have all seen what happened to this country when Bush gave those tax cuts away.


Yeah and yet of all the taxes collected by US Treasury, the top income earning 1% paid more in COLLECTED Taxes than the bottom 90%

Then you have sales tax, they buy more expensive cars and pay much more in sales tax, they buy more often and have bigger homes paying higher property tax. So they pay more in taxes in many other areas of taxation also. When ever my Rich Boss takes me to lunch, GUESS who always pays for it? He insists on it. Turns out the biggest giver at our church were ,, YOU GUESSED it .

Quit villifying those who know how to turn a buck better than you. They got the Bush Tax Cuts because they were the ones PAYING ALMOST ALL OF THE TAXES!!



posted on Nov, 5 2008 @ 04:55 PM
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greate american patriot Mc Cain will have to wait. I only hope that in four years time there will be still some US government to run. I am writing from Poland. we always were proamerican country and it pisses me really that it will be difficult now to stay on your side with the TVstar president and socialism on the board which we still remember as the national tragedy which has happeded to us some 70 years ago and lasted for 50 more. old good america is over for some time. I hope you will find back your place in close future. take care guys.



posted on Nov, 5 2008 @ 04:57 PM
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Did you just compare Obama to Michael Jackson?

Take it easy there buddy.

AT LEAST 4 years is a super long time to be bitter. You better pace yourself!



posted on Nov, 5 2008 @ 04:58 PM
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I think maybe you missed the whole Blackwater thing. Seems there is a company that works in conjunction with the US Military already. Obama sure is quick I didn't think he could stuff until he took office.


Sorry to be a smart ass but privatizing the military started in the 90's. Go to just about any base and you will be greeted by private contractors. Obama had no part in that I assure you. I will explain it for you if you'd like, why they are doing it.



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