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posted on Nov, 5 2008 @ 03:49 PM
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Originally posted by gypsy1035
I too am very sorrowful that Obama was elected. I too hope we all don't suffer for the vote of some.



Some? 65 million is not some.


AAC




posted on Nov, 5 2008 @ 03:52 PM
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Originally posted by magnetik
Its interesting to see "White America" in such fear. Obama isnt in office yet but all you people do is complain and assume the worst. Really could it get any better with Mccain in office. The past president laid in bed with our current enemys and got us in this current situation. Obama is guilty by association. Seems similar to me being harassed for being in a certain neighborhood. To you all I say suck it up. Honestly i think its underline racism.
He wants to level the playing field a bit , and take a guess who has had an advantage and is scared to be "Equal" to the average man.
Remember in movies were the black guy always dies first , well now a days hes the hero and the star...

[edit on 5-11-2008 by magnetik]



What really is funny is how misguided you are. You think it is race that people are looking at. Here is a fact. White America is what got Obama elected. The people that you say have "fear", are people with differing ideals than Obama. Noone has said anywhere in this thread that they didnt want him there because the color of his skin. Perhaps you should delve inside yourself to find the true racist.



posted on Nov, 5 2008 @ 03:52 PM
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Barack Obama: wrapping socialism in a smile!

If I remember correctly, wasn't it Bwaney Fwank who said that it was biggotry and racist if we did not make this millions of loans to people for houses? Wasn't it Bwaney Fwank who said back in July that "going forward, the markets are looking solid". Bottom line is, the people who got us into this mess were the liberal blowhards like Barney and Dodd, and these are the people, not to mention, Nancy Pelosi and Dingy Harry Reid, that we expect to help us out of this mess? Geez.



posted on Nov, 5 2008 @ 03:53 PM
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this is true. he won't be able to just have them rubber stamp all his ideas. but if they are hostile, they may rubber stamp the ideas that will make him look bad later.



posted on Nov, 5 2008 @ 03:53 PM
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Originally posted by HIFIGUY

Originally posted by rikk7111
You men give my heart deep thoughts as we are at the epoch of a fearful epic event.These coming four years will go down in history as our constitution will dwindle and our flag will fade. call me a fascist, call me what you will, but when our country will vote for a man that will not give a pledge of allegiance to our American flag or willingly wear an American flag pin etc, we are in deep trouble..............May God help us all .


As much as I have respected some of your posts, it appears sir that you are GROSSLY in error.

Here is a video of Senator Oboma saying the pledge.

s166.photobucket.com...¤t=obamapledge1.flv

and one of him wearing the pin.

www.independent.co.uk...

Now whats good for the goose is good for the gander.

McCain with no flag pin here linked below.

www.buzzflash.com...


Sometimes gentlemen and women, hype is hype. I have just shown Obama wearing a pin, and doing the pledge. Now where is your decency in admitting the truth.

May God give you wisdom.

Peace


Big Difference is this: The Photo of Obama wearing the flag was before the interview he gave for his reasons he would no longer wear "that pin" on his lapel. Unlike McCain who has trouble pinning it on himself, he would be honored if you assisted pinning one on him. See McCain just didn't wear one that day but his reason FOR wearing one remains.

Obama on the other hand is actually against wearing one and has even given his "excuse" or his reason AGAINST wearing it remain.

The one of him you give as his pledge of allegiance was before he became a member of the Democrats for Socialism Party in Illinois. which was one of the many controversial areas of his life he has either sealed records about or refuses to furnish full disclosure on. but ON this issue, he was not only found to be a member, he also got busted trying to cover it up.

So seeing that he has no qualms with doing cover ups, refusing to prove where he was born by showing us what it says on his Birth Certificate as Place of Birth with everyone who has allegedly SEEN this document REFUSING to answer that question. They WILL say, he HAS one and where it is recorded and even when it was recorded always assuming we want to know if he was born. Yeah we KNOW he was BORN we can SEE that but they play dumb not answering the question, WHERE it says he was born. With all the ranting and raving Area 51 was going off about that and how many people know and if it were true why don't the Repblicans talk about that one (as if the Republicans would ever hear the end of it if they did ask) and why they won't

I have heard Obama make more lies in a month than Bush has the last 4 years. If Obama does to the rest of America, what he has done to ruin Illinois, you'll understand why their is a grass roots movement to begin impeachment process the day he takes the oath of office with two more groups joining from Alabama and VA.



posted on Nov, 5 2008 @ 03:56 PM
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Originally posted by undo

you don't understand. if you live here, you have to maintain a certain standard of living. if you don't, the laws will get ya and your stuff and your loved ones.


Correct me if I'm wrong undo - but I think you are talking about an effect the Cycle of Poverty?

Cycle of Poverty

I'm familar with it. An example would be, Family has $X to spend and they can just squeak by on $X. At the end of the month $X is gone until more comes in.

The car breaks down and while still drivable it will not pass inspection. It will cost more $ than the family has to fix it. The family is faced with a tough choice.

If they spend the money to fix the car. They may not have enough to pay the electric bill, or by food. If they decide to drive it without the inspection sticker they risk a costly ticket (that they also cannot afford).

As we were talking about cars I used that. Really I could have used the stove or fridge breaking down, or most any other unforseen expense that is part of day to day the family simply doesn't have the money to cover.

It can be compounded when (as you say) the govt. requires certain expendatures the family cannot afford yet punishes the family if they do not do them.

Its a condtion that exists in the inner cities, much of Appalachia, lots of rural areas and is growing faster and faster into other areas of the country as the economy tanks.



posted on Nov, 5 2008 @ 04:02 PM
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Originally posted by magnetik
Its interesting to see "White America" in such fear. Obama isnt in office yet but all you people do is complain and assume the worst. Really could it get any better with Mccain in office. The past president laid in bed with our current enemys and got us in this current situation. Obama is guilty by association. Seems similar to me being harassed for being in a certain neighborhood. To you all I say suck it up. Honestly i think its underline racism.
He wants to level the playing field a bit , and take a guess who has had an advantage and is scared to be "Equal" to the average man.
Remember in movies were the black guy always dies first , well now a days hes the hero and the star...

[edit on 5-11-2008 by magnetik]


And to think all this time I have been reading your posts I was figuring you to be a white dude. I guess I know better now.


[edit on 5-11-2008 by MAINTAL]



posted on Nov, 5 2008 @ 04:02 PM
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There are certainly some unhappy rightys today aren't there?

So, have they changed the name from USA yet? I couldn't find anything on Fox News.

Tis a great day that America can call itself a melting pot and have a Black/White guy elected as president! Hip hip hurray!

Boy, I just hope it doesn't turn into communism with all that hate speech Obama has been talkin...



posted on Nov, 5 2008 @ 04:04 PM
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I just hope for all of our sakes that when he takes office he steps up to the plate and accepts the fact that everything that the Democrats have been bitching about for the last 8 years now belong to him.

I know that some will still blame Bush for every hiccup that happens on Obama's watch but the bottom line is that yes, he won the election and that means the buck stops with him. I just hope he's up to the challenge.

As far as another poster stating something about "going after Bush" when he gets into office; that would be about the most counterproductive thing I could think of for a newly elected president to do.



posted on Nov, 5 2008 @ 04:04 PM
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precisely! we were that poor at one time, where our car kept us in perpetual debt, just to keep it going and passing inspections every year. and for some strange reason, it just wouldn't stay running. it was always breaking down. weird things too, like the u-joint falling off as we were driving down the road....three different times! so by the time the inspection day would roll along, we would pray and cross our fingers that it would pass because we couldn't afford to fix it if it didn't. it was bad. i remember working all day for a neighbor, to get a loaf of bread. and digging empty pop and beer cans out of the garbage, and putting them in aluminum recycling machines that paid by the pound, so we could buy milk, or some other necessity of living. one day, we got a coupon for a free ice cream cone from baskin robbins, and we split 3 ways and that was all we had to eat that day. and this was while he was working in the military! he had a job, full time but when you first start out, they don't pay you enough to maintain anything better than poverty level lifestyle.

[edit on 5-11-2008 by undo]



posted on Nov, 5 2008 @ 04:04 PM
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Originally posted by Barathrum
i'm not entirely sure that things will be as bad as some believe they will be

i'm also not convinced that things will be as great as others think

i'm of the mind that things will pretty well average out in the long run. presidents come and go, it's the country that is the most important and i don't think one man being elected to run it has ever caused it all to shatter into pieces.

ultimately, it is us who are in charge. it is us that will change this country for better or worse by choosing to allow ourselves to be distracted by what other people stand for and what other people do instead of becoming active in our own communities and involved in ways that make a real difference.

don't let who wins an election make you frown. that's giving someone else power over your perception and ultimately, over you. you are in charge of yourself as an individual and the decisions we all make individually are what truly determine the direction we as a collective take


You keep right on believing that brother. Then when they take away Americans rights to bear arms and to free speech and continue to erode the ability to peacably assemble and then take away the ability to even think negative thoughts about someone. They are set to take away the ability to succeed and be rewarded for that success.

Then when we are defenseless, speechless, hopeless and helpless, we'll see how you feel about it then, but of course by that time you'll have to get permission to tell us how you feel.

blissfull morons, the world is full of them and america is full of 53% of them.



posted on Nov, 5 2008 @ 04:07 PM
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Do you not understand that you cannot just steal money away from people that have broken their backs to earn it? We are capitalists. Everyone can have wealth if they just work for it and stop thinking that the government owes them everything.



posted on Nov, 5 2008 @ 04:09 PM
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You see, this is a America, It is predicated on keeping what you make. We fought for freedom on it biggest principal for taxation with out representation. We have a big belief that you should keep what you make. I am not sure how to explain this to you. We are a capitalist, democracy. We are about free trade and making something out of yourself. We don't believe that we should have to tax people to death. You should be able to keep you money and use it for you own means. Over taxation is a sin in this country. We fought wars over it. We fought countries over these thoughts of socialism and communism. We fear socialism because we don't like government being in our lives all the time. Being an American is having the freedom to do what you want and having the tools to do it. I am socialist republic, as in the one we just elected, It is going to be hard to keep small business open, to hire people and keep them employed. It is also going to make it hard to anyone to start a new business.

My question to you is, why do you want your government to take almost half your money, and control you life and run things for you. Don't you want the freedom to do what you want with your money. To choose the kind of support you want and get more of your money back to invest it to make work of you. Socialism is the next step to communism. Be careful of your any government that wants to put their hands in every aspect of your life..



posted on Nov, 5 2008 @ 04:12 PM
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The way this program has been explained to me has nothing to the sorts of forcing anyone to do anything. It's a choice to enroll your company in the adjustable medical tax insurance credit program. It doesn't force them to do it. But if you want the credit points you agree to lower your cost to companies each credit is like a % off enrollment cost to companies.
Every Dr I have talked to in the Orthodontic field at first thought the way it looks with out looking into the books of a company and seeing the end taxable results with deductions as a really bad thing. But like any thing you must read for yourself and look for the pro's of having it conform to meet your needs.
After the Drs started looking into it and seen the huge tax breaks the insurance companies would have to pass on to customers they started seeing $$$ at the sheer numbers this plan could generate for the health care industry and doing this with little or no cost to the patients.
Look it's not going to work like clock work at first but it will work.
The trick to this is no out of pocket cost to patients which will "watch out here" re-distribute money that people pay on health care to other things...And it's just crazy how when people save money on medical cost they spend it on other things and that stimulates the economy



posted on Nov, 5 2008 @ 04:14 PM
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wrong, he was not publicly funded. In fact, he has yet to disclose his sources of funding.



posted on Nov, 5 2008 @ 04:16 PM
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so where did my contribution go to then? and anyone else who donated?



posted on Nov, 5 2008 @ 04:18 PM
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Well stated my friend, my point exactly. No one will get another dime from me. I say we save the hand-outs for the disabled, elderly, and our veterans.



posted on Nov, 5 2008 @ 04:19 PM
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Excatly, and I can think of 3 people off the top of my head right now that are in similar situations. They have a job. But, it simply doesn't pay enough to give any extra $ for any of the "oops" that life throws at you.

If an "oops" comes up they have to pay for - they are really, really in hot water. As you said, I'm not talking about "We might have to drop the extra cable channels" - I'm talking about, "I have to see if the church down the street has a food bank if I want to eat this week."

A friend of mine in those straights summed it up in a few words, "Its tough being poor. Ya just can't seem to climb outta it sometimes."

You (I think) or at least someone made the statement some pages back and I think it is true. As a nation we can't expect a substantial portion of the population by to earn their living by selling each other imported junk at Wal-mart or over-priced coffee at StarBucks and still maintain a healthy economy.



posted on Nov, 5 2008 @ 04:19 PM
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There is two different types of funding. Public funding is a set amount that the candidate get from the government to run their campaign, Money that you give them as donation is considered private funding because you are giving an undisclosed amount to the candidate. That is the difference. McCain Used public financing Obama didn't



posted on Nov, 5 2008 @ 04:20 PM
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Those are individual donations. His campaign was not publicly funded.



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