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Originally posted by ATC_GOD
I believe that Jesus was an instrument to remind us of all the good that we as the human race are capable of. An example of how one should live thier lives to get the most positive experience out of this life.
I think alot of his teachings were appropriate for that time frame and much of the symbolism that he used was intentional for the developmental stage of the people then.
Originally posted by SlyFox_79
Jesus was never born, he never did exist physically....historians have already proved that. There is no other record of Jesus ever existing on earth in any other books, logs, journals, whatever, from the same time period when he existed. That also means that no Jewish historian ever wrote about him being a physical person. He isn't even a real person in the Dead Sea scrolls. Although it's hard to grasp and basically it can't be undone, the majority doesn't know of this. The closest thing you are going to get to Jesus is Joshua and Osiris.
Oh...by the way there was know Moses either and i can tel you about the story on that if you woud like.
Trust me, I have very, very many books on histor around that same time. The only place were i have ever heard his name is in the Bible.
Originally posted by OldThinker
OT asks, “WHAT IF JESUS OF NAZARETH HAD NEVER BEEN BORN? I mean seriously…what would the world we live in look like?”
How would women fair? Not Good!
Pagan widows lost all control of their husband's estate when they remarried but the church allowed widows to maintain their husband's estate.
Also, the pagan double standard of allowing married men to have extramarital sex and mistresses was forbidden.
The gospel spreaders/missionaries saw to it this practice stopped.
Would there be true compassion and mercy?
It was the early Christian church that ultimately brought an end to infanticide.
What about Education? Would be way behind! Remember Judeo/Christian tradition certainly put an emphasis on the written word. The phenomenon of education for the masses has its roots in the Protestant Reformation. Please do a little research here.
Remember before Madelyn Marie O’hare, children's reading texts emphasized biblical literacy.
This was so prevalent in colonial America, that John Quincy Adams said in the early 1800's that the illiteracy rate was only 4/10th of 1 percent. By comparison, it has been estimated that in America today, 40 million people are functionally illiterate.
What about the arts? Non-existent!
What about freedom? Government of the People?
Free Enterprise and the "Protestant work ethic?” Nope! We have two chooses…biblical capitalism and evolutionary capitalism.
Originally posted by Byrd
I'll toss in my 2 cents' worth, then.
Originally posted by OldThinker
OT asks, “WHAT IF JESUS OF NAZARETH HAD NEVER BEEN BORN? I mean seriously…what would the world we live in look like?”
What about the arts? Non-existent!
You mean, like the cave paintings at Lascaux, the rock art around the United States, the songs and stores of the Norse, the lengthy poem cycles of the Irish bards, the sculptures of Greece, Rome, India, China, the elaborate temples and carvings at Ankor Wat, the tombs and statues of the Ancient Egyptians, the elaborate and delicate mosques of the Islamic people? The paintings of the Hindu people? The scrolls and paintings of the Chinese and Japanese?
That's not art?
I would disagree.
Originally posted by xrayspecs
reply to post by badmedia
Who has proof there was a "Jesus".
Originally posted by Jomina
reply to post by Byrd
....And that is, exactly, where most of the problems of religion in general come from. "I have the right answer, and if you don't accept it, i'll do everything I can to force it down your throat. Oh but it's your choice." What?
Originally posted by fatdad
all churches sound like the rev.charles to me.. they dont want to save your soul , just want your money www.liveleak.com... if this message has been a blessing to you dont send any money
Originally posted by Good Wolf
...And BTW I'm a little offended that you claim that America was formed christian. America was the most secular nation in the world. State was separate from Church as it always should be. The founding fathers knew that to have freedom of religion, there needed to be freedom from religion.