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Fed Judge Throws Out Berg v. Obama Lawsuit? Or did he?

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posted on Oct, 27 2008 @ 05:21 AM
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Originally posted by TrueAmerican
The thing is though that according to Berg he does have evidence: He supposedly has Obama's grandmother on tape stating that she was in the Mombasa Kenya hospital room when Obama was born.

Berg was on the Michael Savage show a few nights ago, talking all about this case. Link to the radio show:

www.talkradionetwork.com... BlPWNoYXJ0JmNoYXJ0SUQ9MzA0JnBsYXlsaXN0U2l6ZT0xMA==

The judge's ruling is baffling. Nope, no harm done at all to the people or the Constitution. :shk:
This country deserves what it gets. I am starting to hate it for all it stands for. Because it damn sure isn't the same anymore as it used to be. And now it is becoming obvious that it will never be until bloodshed is had again on a major scale. Countryjacked.


Where is Berg's evidence?

I agree that if there was any truth to this at all, it would have been used. If not by the Republicans, by the other Dems that were fighting for the nomination. An awful lot of mud has been thrown around and sooo much of it is untrue, why would they pass up on something so damning?




posted on Oct, 27 2008 @ 07:57 AM
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Well the supposed evidence is more like a lack of evidence. Supposedly document experts have reviewed what was presented as Obama's birth certificate and determined it a fraud and actually the one issued for his sister or half-sister. I don't believe anyone will know the whole truth on this matter but the lack of cooperation from Obama and the DNC is enough to alert my conspiracy radar.



posted on Oct, 27 2008 @ 10:01 AM
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What really freaks me out is that John McCain has this weapon and has not used it or even inquired about it.

So, either they are both hiding something - or - the entire body of our Government is corrupt and it does not care one little bit about "The Constitution of the United States"

If Obama runs and wins with this foreign born lawsuit hanging over the campaign, it sets America up to elect a man who has dreamed being a dictator or ruler - he was born in Austria and is named Arnold Schwarzenegger. That should make it scary enough!




posted on Oct, 27 2008 @ 10:49 AM
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Or:

It could be that Senator John McCain is immune to Berg's hantavirus.

And so McCain remains rational.

Just sayin.



posted on Oct, 27 2008 @ 10:56 AM
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Originally posted by Lucifer Rising

Originally posted by TrueAmerican
The thing is though that according to Berg he does have evidence: He supposedly has Obama's grandmother on tape stating that she was in the Mombasa Kenya hospital room when Obama was born.

Berg was on the Michael Savage show a few nights ago, talking all about this case. Link to the radio show:

www.talkradionetwork.com... BlPWNoYXJ0JmNoYXJ0SUQ9MzA0JnBsYXlsaXN0U2l6ZT0xMA==

The judge's ruling is baffling. Nope, no harm done at all to the people or the Constitution. :shk:
This country deserves what it gets. I am starting to hate it for all it stands for. Because it damn sure isn't the same anymore as it used to be. And now it is becoming obvious that it will never be until bloodshed is had again on a major scale. Countryjacked.


Where is Berg's evidence?

I agree that if there was any truth to this at all, it would have been used. If not by the Republicans, by the other Dems that were fighting for the nomination. An awful lot of mud has been thrown around and sooo much of it is untrue, why would they pass up on something so damning?


Berg claims to have, on tape, his Kenyan grandmother attesting to the fact that she was in the delivery room in a Kenyan hospital when Obama was born. He also says he has evidence that the digitally offered birth certificate on factcheck is a forgery.

The evidence WAS used. The case was dismissed by the judge based on Berg's STANDING.

Berg will be appealing, all the way to the Supreme Court I'm sure.



posted on Oct, 27 2008 @ 11:32 AM
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The "experts" who have declared it a fraud said a number of things that prove they either don't know what they're talking about or, more likely, are deliberately misleading people. For one thing, they said that the term "African" wouldn't have been used at that time and this proves that the Cert was produced later, yet the Hawaiian state govt says this is not true... Kurt Tsue from the Hawaiian Dept of Health said, in response to this, that they use whatever term the parent uses to describe themselves so, if the parent said "African" they would write African.

These "experts" also went into an elaborate argument about how a "Certicficate of Live Birth" is not the same as a legal birth certificate. This was all just nonsense... if you look at the Hawaiian Office of Vital Records, they clearly describe their official birth certificate, and it says Certificate of Live Birth across the top.

You say that we'll never know the truth... well, that may be true... I guess we'll never REALLY know if we really sent people to the Moon... but, despite all of the rhetoric that has been thrown around about him, there has not been one shred of evidence actually produced to verify ant of it, and the people who have been spreading these rumors have been caught in lie after lie.



posted on Oct, 27 2008 @ 11:50 AM
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Originally posted by arizonascott
What really freaks me out is that John McCain has this weapon and has not used it or even inquired about it.

So, either they are both hiding something - or - the entire body of our Government is corrupt and it does not care one little bit about "The Constitution of the United States"


How about a THIRD alternative?

John McCain has tried to infer that Barack Obama is a terroist and Socialist, but he has opted not to use this why?...Conspiracy!

OR perhaps the SUPPOSED evidence that Berg has is so obviously fraudulant and utterly LACKS veracity and would so quickly collapse under scrutiny that even Senator McCain would be embarrassed to associate himself with it.

This is the only thing that makes sense. If McCain was playing along in some conspiracy and actually wants to get Obama elected I doubt he would have ran the over the top negative campaign he has so far calling Obama a terrorist and socialist among many other things.

I can't believe I actually have to point this out.

NO CONSPIRACY HERE just contrived poorly substantiated evidence from a man with an agenda.

Obama did not respond to this case because it had no substance worht responding to and he trusted in the courts to determine the veracity of the case without his campaign devoting valuable time addressing it.



posted on Oct, 27 2008 @ 12:07 PM
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Originally posted by sos37
Berg claims to have, on tape, his Kenyan grandmother attesting to the fact that she was in the delivery room in a Kenyan hospital when Obama was born. He also says he has evidence that the digitally offered birth certificate on factcheck is a forgery.

The evidence WAS used. The case was dismissed by the judge based on Berg's STANDING.

Berg will be appealing, all the way to the Supreme Court I'm sure.


"Berg CLAIMS"

Lets see the evidence. Berg has been aggressive in giving public interviews to propagate this smear, but has provided NONE of supposed iron-clad evidence he claims. He can not claim that he is reserving evidence for trial purposes while giving interview after interview.

I will say this...If Berg does have a tape of Obama's grandmother claiming she was present at his birth (and I don't think he does)...but if he did, big deal. She is elderly and might have easily been confused or overly enthusiastic with her pride for her grandson.

Given how public Berg has been I suspect if he had anything substantial we would have seen it a long time ago.

I know that some of you don't like the idea of Obama as POTUS, but at some point your inner voice of reason has to win. Just because you oppose Obama does not mean you are obligated to support every crazy claim that the fringe throws at him.



posted on Oct, 27 2008 @ 01:57 PM
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Born in the USA! I was born in the USA!

en.wikipedia.org...

It says:

Barack Obama was born at the Kapi'olani Medical Center for Women & Children[2] in Honolulu, Hawaii, to Barack Hussein Obama, Sr., a black Kenyan from Nyang’oma Kogelo, Siaya District, Kenya, and Ann Dunham, a white American from Wichita, Kansas.[

Unless it's not factual...??



posted on Oct, 27 2008 @ 02:13 PM
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Surrick's memorandum is up on Justia: Here's the link



posted on Oct, 27 2008 @ 02:29 PM
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"People love him though. Why? Because they said so, that's why. No valid reasoning or policies have been laid out by his supporters or his staff."

Exactly! I have been scratching my head at this for months.

It's simply a high school popularity contest at a national level.
(see quote above again)

"No valid reasoning or policies.."



posted on Oct, 27 2008 @ 02:42 PM
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Originally posted by arizonascott


If Obama runs and wins with this foreign born lawsuit hanging over the campaign, it sets America up to elect a man who has dreamed being a dictator or ruler - he was born in Austria and is named Arnold Schwarzenegger.



At least he'd have an exit strategy for Iraq;

"GET TO THA CHOPPAH!!!!"

Couldn't resist



posted on Oct, 27 2008 @ 02:52 PM
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By his own admission, Berg has a tape that hasn't even been translated yet. It's not even under sworn affidavit.

So -- how does Berg know what the tape says, and that the translation, which does not exist, is legit?

He doesn't.



posted on Oct, 27 2008 @ 03:02 PM
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Everybody keeps saying " Where's the evidence???". Well I think it has to go to trial first to show evidence and this is a rulling on motions to stop any trial to produce evidence. Am I wrong on this point or have all the court case I have been a juror on (3) been screwed up ???

Zindo



posted on Oct, 27 2008 @ 03:04 PM
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He's also on record from WorldNetDaily as saying he has no documents from Kenya, or anywhere, about Obama. So, he has a tape that could be from anyone, and he has no evidence on paper that can link him to being born anywhere other than America.

Good job, Berg, good job.



posted on Oct, 27 2008 @ 04:12 PM
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What folks are referring to, those that actually read the court filings, is the evidence that Berg cited. "Where is the evidence?", from those people means, that those people actually made an attempt to verify Berg's evidence, and came up empty. Found out that most of it originated on anti-Obama blogs, YouTube videos, and tabloid TV journalism, where none of the sources of evidence have been verified.

To those people who've actually made an attempt to deny ignorance, Berg actually presented a case with no evidence. His evidence is circumstantial, but unreliable to the extreme. So: Where is the evidence?

True a judge has not considered evidence in the context of supporting a trial, but the judge did consider Berg's evidence in the context that Berg presented it. That is, Berg presented evidence to support the claim that he had suffered harm or injury due to the fact that Obama is running for POTUS without first proving that he is a natural born citizen by showing his vault copy Hawaiian birth certificate to Berg. After considering that claim, the judge basically said, "No harm done.", and dismissed Berg's case.

So the judge did consider the evidence. Only the judge didn't consider it to the extent of proving Obama is not a US citizen. That is because the law prohibits him from doing so. Under the law, Berg has to first prove injury in order to be granted relief from his claim. And that relief amounted to being able to see Obama's long form Hawaiian birth certificate. But, again, the judge came to the conclusion that Berg did not suffer harm, and therefore denied him relief.



posted on Oct, 27 2008 @ 06:09 PM
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Originally posted by maybereal11

Originally posted by sos37

I will say this...If Berg does have a tape of Obama's grandmother claiming she was present at his birth (and I don't think he does)...but if he did, big deal. She is elderly and might have easily been confused or overly enthusiastic with her pride for her grandson.


Why would he take this all the way to the Supreme Court of the U.S. if he didn't have SOMETHING to back his claims up with? It would be a huge waste of his own money.

But the response quoted above - this is what I'm talking about. If Berg, DOES have something, the Obama crowd is going to dismiss it anyway because they LOVE Obama.

Like I said, no amount of evidence will ever prove to the Obama crowd that this man can do wrong, even if he was caught with a smoking gun in his hand on video tape. They would make excuse after excuse for him simply because they love this man for some unknown reason. I wish I knew what it was - a desperate need to see change for POTUS, a desperate need to see a black man elected, having been brainswashed by Olbermann - I'm not sure. But something keeps people like the poster quoted above from looking at evidence with an open mind.


[edit on 27-10-2008 by sos37]



posted on Oct, 27 2008 @ 06:45 PM
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Originally posted by sos37
Why would he take this all the way to the Supreme Court of the U.S. if he didn't have SOMETHING to back his claims up with? It would be a huge waste of his own money.


Uh, it's not Berg's money. Didn't you notice this blurb on the left-hand portion of his website:

"Make a donation to help us with the costs to pursue this case. Donate $2.08, $20.08. $200.80. or any amount you choose. Thank you for your generous support."

With all the little credit card symbols below it?

Or the fact that his recent article is about a donation fund where, for every dollar you donate, people by the names of ChileMan/ChileWoman will donate two dollars up to $1,500?

He's hardly spending any money.

[edit on 27-10-2008 by davion]



posted on Oct, 27 2008 @ 06:58 PM
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