And So It Begins:-"Touched the screen for Barack Obama, the check mark moved to McCain", page 3

reply to post by Toadmund

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Except that any machine can be manipulated if someone decides they want to. The touch screens aren't unreliable, they just need regular maintenance like any other machine. They can be manipulated, but if these particular ones weren't calibrated correctly before the voters used them then there is nothing nefarious going on aside from someone not being attentive and not doing their job.

reply to post by Jenna

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It was directed at anyone who believes in the recalibration excuse. First off, if it is recalibration, WHY DID THEY DO IT!? It's the *snip* presidency, not the high school king and queen. Second, why is the programing so ridiculously flawed? Again, IT'S THE *snip PRESIDENCY! Third, I don't believe the recalibration excuse because Diebold *snip* admitted their machines dropped votes, and many others have shown how easy it is to hack into the diebold machines. It doesn't fit. The evidence is too great that believe some ridiculous recalibration excuse. Everyone has their excuses. The whole administration had force-fed the public excuse after *snip* excuse. The country's getting worse, to the point they want a new global currency system, and everyone still has their excuses. Nothing's getting better. Everything's getting worse.

I got your excuse: We're sheeple, and we're just going to keep taking it.

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[edit on 10/19/2008 by maria_stardust]

this problem isnt just the touch screens . there are 1000s of ways of manipulating the outcome of this election.

the problem could be hacked software.

www.youtube.com...

voter suppression ?

query.nytimes.com...

the list goes on. god i used to believe all that crap in school about america being the greatest country on the planet and the beacon of hope for the rest of the world.

we deserve what we are about to get.

reply to post by 1011010110

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Which is why I said all machines can be tampered with. Had you read my post you would have seen that. I also said that it is possible that these have been tampered with, but if you have a touch screen that has been not been calibrated in awhile or has been pushed on too hard that machine will not register the point you touch and will think you touched elsewhere. It is not an excuse, it is a fact. I used one constantly almost every day for a year and I know for a fact that they need to be calibrated every once in awhile or it will not register what you are touching.

Could these machines have been calibrated incorrectly? Yes they could have. I never denied that. But what I posted was in response to someone essentially claiming that you never have to calibrate a touch screen when in fact you do.

I don't recall reading in the article that these machines were made by Diebold. And please show me what evidence you have aside from this one article that says machines everywhere are not registering the correct vote. I would like to see this evidence.

reply to post by elitegamer23

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I understand your frustration, but no, we don't. What's more is that the world does not deserve the disastrous consequences of a McCain presidency. I generally try to avoid getting partisan, but let's just be honest here - this is a night v. day contrast. McCain is belligerent, given to violence, opposed to negotiation, poor at the public exercise of logic and rhetoric (which has been a staple of political competency for thousands), and most certainly lacks judgement in the sense that he openly tolerates violent, racist rhetoric from his followers. Obama is no saint but he is is heads and shoulders above the alternative and the unquestionably better choice. All this talk of undercover Muslim terrorists sneaking into the white house and Obama being a latter day Marxist protege is absurd. It's fundamentally abusive and irresponsible of the proponents of these ideas to continue to wheel them out after they've been roundly debunked six ways to Sunday. Obama was a top notch constitutional scholar. Wouldn't you say we could use more of those kinds of credentials in government nowadays after the last eight years of rights erosion? Can't most sane and considered people agree about that?

Americans are not stupid and the polls are clearly showing that there is a popular leaning towards Obama. If we see another massive statistical anomaly in terms of exit polling, I think we'll know exactly what happened. The number of intelligent, productive, successful, tax-paying people I know who have promised to leave the country if McCain should somehow make his way to the big chair should be very concerning to Americans on either side of the aisle. And I agree with them. If your vote for a politician is not honored, then it's time to vote with your tax dollars and real human capital: labor. Go somewhere that's better, participate and contribute to their society, and pay taxes.

reply to post by uncover_the_truth

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LOL This happens to homer on the simpsons
Is this really how we run our country? With a gad damn popularity contest?
HOMER VOTES

reply to post by AlienChaser

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The electoral process is what desperatly needs to be retired.

Agreed. With the efficiencies offered by technological developments, we are rapidly approaching a point where it's feasible to tabulate and honor every vote.

Originally posted by JohnnyElohim
reply to post by AlienChaser

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The electoral process is what desperatly needs to be retired.

Agreed. With the efficiencies offered by technological developments, we are rapidly approaching a point where it's feasible to tabulate and honor every vote.

that is all i ask for. every vote be counted correctly. i can live with any president as long as he is the actually choice of the american people.

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