Im sick and tired of the McCain/Obama bashing by the Paul supporters, page 2

posted on Oct, 18 2008 @ 02:32 PM

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Originally posted by bknapple32
If you are against the AMBER alert, you are putting STATES rights over you child.

Safety is irrelevant without freedom and that is what this is about. When the States lost their sovereignty we lost our freedom.

You can repeat your about quote until you are blue in the face but that won't change the fact that the Constitution doesn't say anything about the federal government issueing Amber Alerts therefore they do not have the right to do so without a Constitutional ammendment. End of story.

If you disagree I guess that make you an anarchist since obviously you have no respect for the most important legal document of our land.

Vas

Oldtimer2

posted on Oct, 18 2008 @ 03:21 PM

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After reading the list Bnkapple supplied,yes I want Ron Paul for president,but alas guess I'll have to wait till next election Mc Cain is lesser of 2 evils,I don't want a socialist government

David9176

posted on Oct, 18 2008 @ 05:16 PM

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reply to post by Oldtimer2

Oldtimer...if you have excel...you may want to try out this survey about the candidates and their stance on the issues. This includes all the candidates, not just democrats and republicans. It's interesting stuff. Here is the link to the thread.

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www.abovetopsecret.com...

FlyersFan

posted on Oct, 18 2008 @ 06:51 PM

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Originally posted by bknapple32
I'm sick and tired of the McCain'Obama bashing by the paul supporters

Then go take some asprin so you aren't sick and go to bed so you aren't tired... and get used to disappointment.

Here ... I'll bash Obama's bitter half ...
just to change things up for you a bit.

"While he was at a meeting at the Waldorf-Astoria at 4 p.m. Wednesday, Michelle Obama called room service and ordered lobster hors d'oeuvres, two whole steamed lobsters, Iranian caviar and champagne.... "

ELITE.

Wonder if those donating to Obama's campaign know where the money is going. Right into Michelle's tummy in the form of lobster hors d'oeuvres and Iranian caviar.

NY POST

I have no idea if that's the actual receipt.
But it's what is posted at photobucket.

From Obama's book 'Dreams of my Father'

"It is this world, a world where cruise ships throw away more food in a day than most residents of Port-au-Prince see in a year, where white folks' greed runs a world in need, apartheid in one hemisphere, apathy in another hemisphere...That's the world! On which hope sits!"

"White folks greed" eh? :shk:

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QuetzalcoatlAlien

posted on Oct, 18 2008 @ 07:11 PM

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Fact of the matter is, we shouldn't rely on the borguesie to change this nation. Obama, McCain, or Paul aren't going to change this nation.

Wait...why is Ron Paul even discussed still? His chances of winning the election are...nothing. There is no chance for Ron Paul so let's keep him out of it and let the Paultards get back to reading Von Mises

BucketheadKFC

posted on Oct, 18 2008 @ 07:49 PM

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He has expressed interest in ending the war on drugs, as well as legalizing marijuana.

You do know that the war on drugs is a farce right? It wastes so much money it's not even funny. The war on drugs is a never ending war just like the war on terror. It's just another way to keep Americans in fear and in debt.

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abelievingskeptic

posted on Oct, 18 2008 @ 07:53 PM
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i am against unobliterated candidate bashing. i understand that part, but what you my good american friend are not understanding is that long list you posted that mr. paul voted against is as american as you can get.

he is saying, even if it disagrees with your morals or even his morals and belief system, he is going to interpret and take into consideration the u.s. constitution and not let his belief system cloud his judgement when it comes to doing his job. if you look at each and every "voted against" in that list, it is because it either creates a law the constitution does not allow for or creates a program that in turn makes the government raise taxes to pay for it.

you can have all the convictions and moral disagreements with the u.s. constitution as you want, but that never ever gives you the right to impose your moral standard on the rest of us, and you know why? because there is a chance you could be wrong.

maybe you should look at that before you go and vote for someone that takes the u.s. constitution and flushes it down the toilet before he creates new laws and taxes.

David9176

posted on Oct, 18 2008 @ 07:55 PM
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I've often wondered what would happen if they legalized marijuana for conventional use. I imagine it would save money of the war on drugs...and also it could be taxed..bringing more money into the country. I've never thought of marijuana as a dangerous drug...no more dangerous than alcohol anyway. I think it would hurt pharmacutical (i know i spelled wrong) companies financially and also the alcohol industry...this is probably a major reason to why it's not legal now.

C0le

posted on Oct, 18 2008 @ 08:05 PM
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Originally posted by bknapple32
reply to post by jtma508

If you are against the AMBER alert, you are putting STATES rights over you child.

Not matter how good or well intentioned the bill may be it still doesn't change the fact that it is a usurpation on States Rights, The States should have no problem what so ever enacting such a thing without the Federal Government getting involved, Remember again as good intentioned as it may be, an exception to the rules is what has distanced this country from what it once was and "they" use emotional causes to get people such as yourself to make those "exceptions" because once they get you to fall into that little trap it allows them to make "exceptions" in other areas and not just the well intentioned ones...

The country was set up the way it was for a reason; Just as our federal government has an Executive, Legislative, and Judicial branch, The states also have those divisions of power at the state level; this was done to keep any one entity from having to much power over the other.

when we start making "exceptions" we open the door to bluring that separation of powers...

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Diplomat

posted on Oct, 18 2008 @ 08:11 PM
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Ron Paul is the best man we have in Washington BY FAR. You should read his book The Revolution: A Manifesto if you haven't already.

ghaleon12

posted on Oct, 18 2008 @ 08:15 PM
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I'm not a Ron Paul supporter but I still think McCain and Obama are morons.
Yep.

Badge01

posted on Oct, 18 2008 @ 08:26 PM
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Kryties

posted on Oct, 18 2008 @ 10:24 PM
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Originally posted by bknapple32
Yet, unit you ignore the many other bills that he voted agianst. I included those as not to show that I was hiding anything. Those were merely to show some paul supporters that they may have huge issues with him they didn't know about. You did not address the amber alert, shocking. you did not address the aids bill, shocking. you did not address the Condemning Iraq Abuse of Prisoners Resolution, shocking.

I am not saying I am right but did you ever stop to think that perhaps he voted no to some of those bills because he believed their was a better way or that the bill itself was incomplete and did not attend to the needs that he would want them to?

Ron Paul opened many many peoples eyes to the way the government works and to the corruption that exists. This will not fade quickly. You may be annoyed that he keeps getting mentions but quite frankly he is the most respected voice out there at the moment. People will continue to mention him well after the election. Why? Because he speaks truth and focuses on issues, he does not start pointless threads whinging that someone else gets talked about instead of focusing on important things, like issues.

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Kryties

posted on Oct, 18 2008 @ 10:24 PM
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DOUBLE POST

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bknapple32

posted on Oct, 18 2008 @ 10:25 PM
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A lot of people here seem to disagree with me and this amber alert issue. And let me be clear, no need for any attacks on me being agianst the constitution or misinformed or uneducated. Honestly, no need to attack me. I just didn't like bringing up paul in an obama/mccain thread. Theres a time and a place for mr paul. If he were running instead of chuck baldwin, bring him up as much as you like.

I do not wish to silence the minority at all.

On the amber alert, I understand following the ideals of the constitution, but cmon, these are way different times. States couldnt coordinate like we can now to attack this crime. But in the blink of an eye, the country can know via the amber alert about the criminal, victim, car and license plate. It makes sense for the federal government, they are protecting the right to life here.

If we have the technology to stop the criminal from escaping, or at least trying, why have it be trumped by a federalism issue.

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bknapple32

posted on Oct, 18 2008 @ 10:31 PM
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Kryties

posted on Oct, 18 2008 @ 10:37 PM
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bknapple32

posted on Oct, 18 2008 @ 10:50 PM
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drock905

posted on Oct, 18 2008 @ 10:50 PM
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Ron Paul is against ANY type of legislation that gives the federal government unconstitutional power. That is why he voted against your examples.

About the marijuana point you brought up. I know few obama supportes, no McCain supporters and tons of Paul supporters, not a single person has ever said they support him for his marijuana beliefs.

Look Obmam=McCain and vice versa, its the same old story and people are wise to it. Paul represents a vastly different agenda and people are very excited about something new.

You may not agree with some of his votes but the reason behind them makes sense. Federal government should not have the power that it has at present.

AHostileMe

posted on Oct, 18 2008 @ 11:03 PM
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When you speak of voting against the national Amber alert system, do you mean the Protect Act, which includes federal assistance for the Amber Alert system?

If so, I suggest you read the rest of the Act, which includes other unrelated items, such as more help for this so called war on drugs.

All a war on drugs does is keep impoverished people in poverty and at the same time funds well to do warlords around the globe. Get rid of the war on drugs and crime will drop and the prison system will shrink, thus using less tax money.