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reply to post by curioustype


War will enable "austerity measures" at gun point.
Nothing new. Economy is not the problem. Distribution of wealth is.

Originally posted by curioustype
OK guys, US Army up to DEFCON 2 (penultimate setting to war/attack) re: Korea...China appears to side with N Korea, and also appears to hold up Europe and USA economies via debt / bonds...but also tied up into the $...

So my question is this, assuming there may be an aversion of, or gap between a war starting and an all out MAD type WW III, what do you think might happen to the world economy and these key relationships, are we looking at China continuing it's current positions whilst simultaneously waring against the USA?

All seems very odd, not just scary, odd, or am I the only one?

Do you really have to ask? We were selling wheat to the Soviets while they were supplying Armaments and advisor's to the North Vietnamese during that war. Read General Smedley Butlers "War is a Racket" And you will realize it is all contrived for profit and benefit for the ruling families, elite, and politically connected of the earth...

reply to post by hawkiye


Oh thanks, I'm much clearer on that now - how could I have forgotten?

What a wonderful world we inhabit!

I suppose it wouldn't also be surprising for us to see [choose from Russia, France, Turkey] discreetly helping the USA/allies with N.Korea whilst actively making things difficult in other regions (the M.E or Arctic) too?

Russia helped North with cannons (60 I think) during Civil War in America. Alaska was practically a gift.
America helped USSR in WW2. Brits gave Rolls Royce jet engines to USSR after WW2 (those fought on North Korean side). Cold war was mostly a farce. West didn't help Hungary and Czechoslovakia. There are many examples that America and Russia are very good friends. But it is an "established" truth that they are more like enemies.

Who helped Stalin develop oil industry?
Who "allowed" Russians to steal nuclear bomb technology? (There were some scape goats who paid for it, the famous couple...)

JFK and Bobby were also naive, idealistic scape goats, who didn't get the real game.

I bet Obama canceled financing new shuttle program because Russians already have more adequate transport and they have joined forces (only not making too much noise about it).

I am not an expert on this, but American-Russian ties are very strong and deep, even at a glance.

The balance is very subtle, no doubt. When Truman bombed Hiroshima and Nagasaki, it was probably to warn off Stalin from invading Japan (they already took Kuril islands, and have occupied Manchuria), rather than to scare the Japanese. They could have dropped the bomb on an uninhabited place - that would have probably been enough.

Given the size of the globe, both America and Russia are aware that it is not necessary to get into a deadly conflict. They will rather act together to prevent anyone else from getting too strong.

Just think of Siberia falling into Chinese hands...

reply to post by curioustype


Actually the war path is not for NK is for Pakistan, US is looking into ties with Pakistan and groups that wants to cause harm in US soil just heard this in the news this morning, this new for me.

See what happens when you don't have a good Health Care

Greece wants to slash its enormous medical bill as part of its effort to reduce the country's crippling debt.

news.bbc.co.uk...

The world's leading supplier of the anti-diabetes drug insulin is withdrawing its medication from Greece.

Novo Nordisk, a Danish company, objects to a government decree ordering a 25% price cut in all medicines.

People with diabetes in Greece have condemned the Danish action as "brutal capitalist blackmail".

"As you well may know, Greece is presently in dire economic and social straits, and you could not have acted in a more insensitive manner at a more inopportune time."

They need Health Care...

reply to post by marg6043


Pakistan, North Korea and Iran... all of them! Let's get it on!

After all, Pakistan's population is only 166 million, which is ONLY 8 TIMES the Iraq population... and they are more armed... Yeah that'll go real good.

Not to mention lots of Pakistanis are pissed at the US bombing them for 2-3 years now and their government doing nothing.

This is just pure madness.

reply to post by Vitchilo


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reply to post by DangerDeath


the post is so full of utter nonsense and fallacies ,

Stalin's oil industry was developed on the basis of abiotic theory of oil. Besides it was rockefeller and the international bankers,alongiside US govt who sponsored the russian revolution to destroy the russian oil industry.

The nuclear weapon programme was more indigenous and based on checks ,the russian scientists weren't given stolen data ,but the data was used as an comparison to check every level .This delayed the testing of the atom bomb by to 2-3 years.

Lend lease represented only 10% of soviet wartime output.

reply to post by sadchild01


General Paton, who wanted to start war with Russia was "accidentally" killed...

Berlin crisis didn't result in war... Berlin became an "example" of "division". It was a fantastic political creation. A masterpiece.

Pig Bay invasion - a masterpiece blunder

Russian experience with Gorbachev is now applied through Obama in America. Disintegration.

They learn from each other and support each other.

I think I am right for a simple reason, this is not about nations, but about the elite (the idea behind the elite). Elite don't belong to nations, that's why they are the elite. They use nations for their own goals, and those goals are actually the "utter nonsense" we can talk about.

They have created, together, North Korea, someone "gave" nuclear technology to NK, and nowadays we shall yet see the true purpose of the existence of such an utter-nonsense state.

Another example was Khmer Rouge state. It was Vietnam who destroyed it, not America or Russia, who actually created it.


There are several regions in the world which are used to create "political energy" to fuel this elite-run world. The biggest are Near and Middle East, and now Central Asia. This energy production is necessary in order to tighten political systems in America, Great Britain and Russia (Patriot act, police state). Such energy source is more important than oil.

Without "enemies" there is absolutely no reason for existence of states as such. That's why "division" is important. They never stop producing enemies.

BTW, I don't believe that Mumbai hotel attack was manufactured by Pakistanis. It smells of Brits just like that! As well as the oil leak in the Gulf at this moment.

Look at the consequences. Pakistan crumbling under pressure, America losing a good part of its inhabitable land.

The elite don't care about nations. They are united around one idea, they are actually controlled by that idea. The idea of survival - survival of the Idea, not people.

"Cold War" is another utter nonsense. There is no such thing as "cold war". On the contrary, it was a very profitable deal. There are still many who regret end those times, it was very good for business. It meant "progress".


And now that this "elite ideology" has advanced in nano and genetic technology, their main resource may become something else from humankind. The survival of the Idea is not necessarily dependent on humans. Technology itself may guarantee its continuation. This is becoming more and more obvious. Borgization...

See the connection between Oil Volcano and Carbon Tax?

Carbon, carbon, everywhere...

Originally posted by DangerDeath
They learn from each other and support each other.

Yep nothing new under the sun. They will have experts on all things in history they know, and they will have documents that show alot more than we are told.

If you do not know history you are.....

Politicians have invented the principle of "alternating" long before Tesla applied it on electrical machine. Directional current is consumed by the conductor itself. Alternating dynamo machine creates fresh energy by using alternation in order to maintain "difference in potential".

Human society and its derivatives (state, culture, nations, etc.) are the consumer-conductor. If you leave them without a source of energy they will lose their "momentum" (development, advancement, and other political phrases).

Currently, there is a technological outbreak (which is usually either used to build foreign nations, or to revolutionize your own nation). This technological "advancement" is in itself a "different potential" enough to start a technological revolution, and we can watch what elements are needed to create proper "conductor/consumer". It may be the case that with knowledge of genetic and cybernetic engineering people, as a mass, lose their importance as main resource.

We are now witnessing a huge depression, crisis of labor (labor is actually citizens). What will happen to people if there are no new work places, no usage for them?

There are many examples of genocide in history. Genocide is conducted on those who are not needed, impossible to "convert" or "pacify".

Population crisis of this kind may be a perfect generator of political energy which will ensure "survival" of the elite (the Idea). It may turn out to be like in Cambodia during Pol Pot rule.

Emotions, ideas, will, are all projections. Elite is rarely under its influence in the common way. Elite strictly observes the calculus, they are "calculated". Emotions and ideas are tools to enslave people. All emotions or logic are a tool, emotional and/or ideological behavior is conditioned behavior.

Humankind pushed aside the innate ability of analytical thinking and instead adopted calculus - this is the event which enabled "history" to come to existence. Before that, there were no states. Civilizations did exist, but were not a calculated means for ensuring "survival" of the elite. This weakness/sickness of humankind is deadly and it helps our species to degenerate. It causes negative selection. it is like autoimmune disease on a global scale.

This is what is really going on:

www.thefreedictionary.com...

A disease in which impaired function and the destruction of tissue are caused by an immune reaction in which abnormal antibodies are produced and attack the body's own cells and tissues. Autoimmune diseases include a wide variety of disorders, including many disorders of connective tissue, such as systemic lupus erythematosus and rheumatoid arthritis.

Ideological, cultural, technological differences are all cause/result of this process.
Present tension, for example, between West and Muslim East is such. Before, ideological differences between West and Communist East played the same role in creating this precious political energy which destroys humanity and supports the existence of the "elite".






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Interesting... I wonder if Greece will follow their advise?

If that happens, many europeans and even US banks invested in Greek bonds would have their ass kicked!

Greece urged to give up euro

THE Greek government has been advised by British economists to leave the euro and default on its €300 billion (£255 billion) debt to save its economy.

Greek politicians have played down the prospect of abandoning the euro, which could lead to the break-up of the single currency.

Speaking from Athens yesterday, Doug McWilliams, chief executive of the CEBR, said: “Leaving the euro would mean the new currency will fall by a minimum of 15%. But as the national debt is valued in euros, this would raise the debt from its current level of 120% of GDP to 140% overnight.

Greece’s departure from the euro would prove disastrous for German and French banks, to which it owes billions of euros.

McWilliams called the move “virtually inevitable” and said other members may follow.

“The only question is the timing,” he said. “The other issue is the extent of contagion. Spain would probably be forced to follow suit, and probably Portugal and Italy, though the Italian debt position is less serious.

“Could this be the last weekend of the single currency? Quite possibly, yes.”

THAT WOULD BE AWESOME.

DIE EURO DIE!!!!!!!!!!

This is really a Shadow Theater. Since when Greece owes 300 billion euros? I thought it was 160 billion.
Uh. Yeah. They just received a 140 billion bailout

160+140=300

reply to post by DangerDeath


That is the problem when a nation starts to depend on foreign aid, loans and debt to be able to function as a nation, the debt will only keeps increasing.

Greece has not wealth to be substantial to back their own spending.

They have nothing right now but debt, hey default and start clean, right?

No, because is too many linked to Greece's economy, mostly dirty and corrupted deals, that is what the Greece government doesn't want to be exposed, so rather they live in debt and give away the rights of their own nations citizens and sovereignty to keep the global rats happy.

Greece's debt is someones "property"

Godfather comes to my mind. Someone will have to die as an example

China – Our Banker, Now With Leverage To Change U.S. Govt. Policies

Yes Finally China has enough power to shake our government when it needed, yes china calls it nuclear option.

That option is now on the table after recently several high ranking Chinese officials threatened to use the so-called “nuclear option,” the liquidation of their U.S. holdings, to counteract current pressure from U.S. congress over the Yuan. Such liquidation could cause the dollar to plummet in value and threaten to seriously destabilize the American economy.

For all America’s military spending, it is defenseless against this “nuclear” threat.

Yes, China now can tells the fat moronic rats in congress what to do.

www.economyincrisis.org...

Originally posted by DangerDeath

The world's leading supplier of the anti-diabetes drug insulin is withdrawing its medication from Greece.

Novo Nordisk, a Danish company, objects to a government decree ordering a 25% price cut in all medicines.

People with diabetes in Greece have condemned the Danish action as "brutal capitalist blackmail".

They need Health Care...

I don't see why the Dutch don't just lend Greece 25 billion to pay full price for the medicine. Isn't that how its supposed to work?

reply to post by marg6043


And do we have any doubt that this 'nuclear option' will be used once Iran is attacked this summer?

Vitchilo, I do believe that three of the 'pigs' will leave the western european NATO union. Which will in fact strengthen the euro. Thereby calling off the wolf pack to the true laggards (UK,US).