15 Year Old Girl Charged as Sex Offender

Originally posted by Donoso
Hey, lets just go ahead and control what people do with their own bodies and remove the whole parental picture from the equation.

Yeah.

That's a real good idea.

I don't think we're controlling it as much as we are charging for a crime after the fact. We're not controlling or preventing anything.

Now, do you think adults have seen these pictures, or are they going completely by word of mouth of the kids?

reply to post by logician magician


I think you were clear to. What I am getting from you is that where you think the punishment for this girl is just, the same wouldn't be so for your daughter.

Why not, if the situations were the exact same? I mean, they would both have broken the law, right?

And, I think a society that can reason and be logical is a helluva lot better than one that reacts on pure emotion....which is what some in this thread seem to do.

Do you really think this girl was acting with criminal intent? Or was she acting with stupidity.

Originally posted by whatukno
reply to post by schism85

 

If this was my daughter, I would be a PARENT and would not have condoned this type of horrid behavior to begin with.

You didn't know about it and only found out about it when the cops showed up at your door.

Would you still look at the punishment the same way for your child? Or would it then be too extreme?

Originally posted by whatukno
If this was my daughter, I would be a PARENT and would not have condoned this type of horrid behavior to begin with.

to begin with?

Put yourself in the shoes of a parent with the same circumstances as the ones in the OP article.

Would you want your daughter tried to the 'full extent of child porn law' as you said earlier?

Would you want your daughter to be a registered sex offender for 10 years because she sent nude pics of herself to minors?

Your daughter. Your answer please.

For those who think this girl should be charged as a sex offender- do you also think she should be able to choose her sexual partners? If we charge children for crimes against children then when do we stop considering them children? So this girl is considered competent enough in the eyes of the law to know she was deliberately making and distributing “kiddy porn”, and possibly be held accountable as a registered sex offender and face jail time, but in the eyes of the law at the same time she is not competent or self aware enough to pick a sexual partner who is eighteen or older? I’m curious if those who think children should be charged as sex offenders for sexual activity with other teens (or any other crime where children and teens are charged like adults also) think these children should be treated as adults in other aspects of life and laws?

reply to post by logician magician


You noticed my sarcasm. Good job. You my friend, get a sticker.

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reply to post by whatukno

Heck I guess yall would condone and approve of some sort of online kiddie porn site that teens can post pics of themselves on as long as they take them themselves. That must be all good too right?

You are completely twisting things and making VERY false assumptions based on your own issues.

You are clearly not reading anyone's posts or you are picking and choosing what you read.

Where has anyone said they condone this???? The SOLE issue here that most are trying to debate is: she should not be legally charged with a crime.

There are many people here who know me and have seen my posts on topics such as this. I am the BIGGEST advocate of harsh harsh punishment for pedophiles, and those who have child pornography.

But even I, with my logical thinking cap on, can see there is a HUGE difference with what this girl did and what a child pornographer does.

If my daughter did something like this, she would have her phone taken away and many other "privledges" taken away. I would NOT support her being arrested, throwin jail with ADULTS and subject to a big fat label being put on her head.

I think it is WONDERFUL that you remained a virgin until you were an adult or married....and that you NEVER partook in ANY activity that was risque before you were 18. But many people HAVE and are perfectly normal, stable, law abiding citizens today and are probably people you respect here on ATS.

Seriously. This issue has become out of control and is all over the board now. I think I need to bail out before I say more then I should.

No this isn't a crime. Its a witch hunt, and the authorities were opportunists, twisting around a law that serves to protect children from adults to include clamping down on teenage girls thinking they have any rights, one to respect, another to privacy, and to parental authority as well, all mixed up in that wonderful tangle parents discover when the teenage years hit.
The authorities love to hit at victims, mainly citizens and infringe on the rights of parenting all to establish a police state. This to me not only is about a teenager being a normal teenager, but it is also about parents and their rights to protect their children from obtrusive authority, that is being misfired deliberately and sadistically. And its about trying to send women back to the dinosaur days of the madonna/whore syndrom. And no, we're not. This is a completely disgusting misfiring of justice.

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reply to post by logician magician

Now, do you think adults have seen these pictures, or are they going completely by word of mouth of the kids?

Did you even read the article? Or just the blurb posted in the OP???

The Licking Valley High School student was arrested Friday after school officials discovered the materials and brought in the school's resource officer for a police investigation

So, somehow, a teacher or some other school official saw the images on a phone and alerted a school officer who in turn alerted police.

reply to post by Lucid Lunacy


Fine if this was my daughter, no I would not want her to be labeled as a sex offender.

However, what I would want is for a judge to scare her enough to make her think twice before doing something so inappropriate like this ever again.

Scare her straight instead of just taking her phone away and telling her no. Something more substantial than that must be done in order to really send home the message that this sort of behavior is not acceptable and is not ok.

But some on this board feel that its all good cause shes sending her amateur underage porn to her bf (a minor) that this is normal behavior that is socially acceptable.

reply to post by whatukno


But, you want this girl to be labeled and charged as such?

That's what I cannot understand. If this is so horrible and so wrong, then it is that horrible and that wrong for every 15 year old girl, including your daughter.

You can't approve of one set of rules for society, yet another for your own flesh and blood. It is hypocritical to be saying that this girl deserves to be punished severely, being labeled a sex offender for 10 years and charged with child pornography, because of what she did, and then turn around and say that in the exact same situation, the same punishment isn't appropriate for your daughter.

This girl did not act with criminal intent. She acted with stupidity. If anything, the charges should be dropped and this girl should be sent to mandatory therapy.

At least, then, she might learn something and have a better understanding of respecting herself.

Originally posted by logician magician
Can you show me where it states that she did not do something like that, or are you just assuming that she took an innocent picture?

Can you show me where I said she is innocent or took innocent photos. What I did say, is that this will certainly ruin her life.

BTW, I have to say, I feel that you should be thrown the "sexual deviant"/ "sexual predator" title and have to sign your name to the sex offenders list for your posts around here more than this girl should. You have definately offended me with your sexually explicite words involving a 15 year old girl. Sex offender!

Are you or are you not putting sexually explicite thoughts into our minds of minor girls with your words?

Time to sign your name on that list.

reply to post by logician magician


What the hell is the matter with you? A post like the one you made, that I feel dirty just responding to, is completely out of line pal. ATS is not the place for that kind of talk. This is a family friendly site, didn't you know that.

Just so you know I alerted the staff about your post, and I strongly encourage anyone else with a decent set of morals to do the same.


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Originally posted by skeptic1
reply to post by logician magician

 

I think you were clear to. What I am getting from you is that where you think the punishment for this girl is just, the same wouldn't be so for your daughter.

Why not, if the situations were the exact same? I mean, they would both have broken the law, right?

And, I think a society that can reason and be logical is a helluva lot better than one that reacts on pure emotion....which is what some in this thread seem to do.

Do you really think this girl was acting with criminal intent? Or was she acting with stupidity.

Your duty as a father comes first to your daughter, sons, and family and their protection first... society comes second.

If your daughter and this girl were to be sentenced for murder, and you knew your daughter did it, but successfully frame this girl. Who would you save, if you could? I'd be like Arnold from 'Commando' blowing up the whole compound.

Would you go to court and testify against your own flesh and blood? I wouldn't.

When the man comes knocking on my door, I'll stand my ground for my family.

As for random strangers who make stupid mistakes, I just don't have the time, the will, or the arse - unless I'm getting paid for it - or, apparently, arguing on ATS. I don't really think the girl should be charged (and she probably won't).

People keep saying "as a parent" and "her parents". She doesn't HAVE PARENTS. She is in FOSTER CARE. Her supposed parents were probably drug addicts, criminals, or some other god awful thing. She has probably been through hell and she may get shifted from home to home.

I am the last one to make excuses for violent criminal behavior, but for gods sake this kid has probably endured things we cannot imagine, and her "crime" did NOT HURT ANYONE.

Originally posted by Griff

Originally posted by logician magician
Can you show me where it states that she did not do something like that, or are you just assuming that she took an innocent picture?

Can you show me where I said she is innocent or took innocent photos. What I did say, is that this will certainly ruin her life.

BTW, I have to say, I feel that you should be thrown the "sexual deviant"/ "sexual predator" title and have to sign your name to the sex offenders list for your posts around here more than this girl should. You have definately offended me with your sexually explicite words involving a 15 year old girl. Sex offender!

Are you or are you not putting sexually explicite thoughts into our minds of minor girls with your words?

Time to sign your name on that list.

Hey, buddy. I'm not the one advocating that child pornography should be legal - or at least OK (whatever that means). You and you're brethren are threading dangerously close to advocating that child pornography should not a chargeable offense.

I'm trying to ask exactly what you think these pictures display? If they display what I have mentioned, and you still condone the act, then YOU are the sexual deviant.

If you can't show me somewhere saying that they were 'innocent' like you are assuming, then you have no ground to stand on. We're both standing on the fence here, the only difference is you've assumed so much and actually believe your on a side of the fence.

... and, to top it off, you're too embarrassed to even continue the argument.

Nice cop out.

I guess when you can't beat em, you just whine and report them, eh?

Originally posted by logician magician
Your duty as a father comes first to your daughter, sons, and family and their protection first... society comes second.

Would you go to court and testify against your own flesh and blood? I wouldn't. When the man comes knocking on my door, I'll stand my ground for my family.

Your attitude sounds very very "ghetto". That is common here in Atlanta, people "take their kids side" every time the kid gets in trouble. When the kid finally gets in BIG trouble and kills someone during a robbery or a car jacking they STILL make excuses such as "well he just started running with the wrong crowd."

Taking your kids side against "the man" when they steal, assault, or otherwise show they are a menace to society is PART OF THE PROBLEM!

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reply to post by logician magician


If my child killed someone (in any case other than self defense), I would testify against them. Sorry, but I don't condone murder from anyone.

This situation is different. And, I feel sorry for the people who think this girl should be labeled as a sex offender for taking nude pictures of herself and sending them to her boyfriend.

This is a victimless incident that happened due to sheer stupidity. If we are going to start arresting and trying people for being stupid, they are going to have to build a lot more jails.

Originally posted by greeneyedleo
reply to post by logician magician

 

Now, do you think adults have seen these pictures, or are they going completely by word of mouth of the kids?

Did you even read the article? Or just the blurb posted in the OP???

The Licking Valley High School student was arrested Friday after school officials discovered the materials and brought in the school's resource officer for a police investigation

So, somehow, a teacher or some other school official saw the images on a phone and alerted a school officer who in turn alerted police.

That was a rhetorical question. I was trying to illustrate that ADULTS HAVE SEEN THE CHILD PORNOGRAPHY. Obviously rhetorical questions and implications have no meaning in the world of ATS' skewed vision.

Yet, still, you don't think it's child pornography even after it's been seen and thereby distributed to adults.

This is the point: Adults have seen naked pictures of this 15 year old girl..

You still don't think something is wrong with that?

The consequences of her creating her child-porn-for-minors-only ended up in the hands of adults.

Originally posted by logician magician

I don't really think the girl should be charged (and she probably won't).

Than what are you debating? That it was wrong. I think we are all in agreeance on that. I fail to see your point in all this.

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