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15 Year Old Girl Charged as Sex Offender

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posted on Oct, 16 2008 @ 08:17 PM
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I was younger than that. OMG, Iam turning myself in right now.............




posted on Oct, 16 2008 @ 08:17 PM
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No, depending on the state, she would be a minor and you would be a rapist. Statutory or not, depending on the age of consent, you would be a rapist. By strict adherence to the law, that is.....


All we are doing is going around in circles.

We all agree that she did something wrong and stupid. We are just having problems defining exactly what it is she did.

We all agree that she should not go unpunished. We are just having problems defining what that punishment should be.

Most of us are looking at this with logic and reason, while a few are taking it to extremes.



posted on Oct, 16 2008 @ 08:21 PM
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while a few are taking it to extremes

As I think another poster pointed out people love extremes, which is why these kinds of witch hunts gain so many supporters. People get hysterically lost in what they themselves project onto an issue, disrupting their ability to consider it reasonably and with out bias. If people weren’t this way we wouldn’t be having this debate, because we would have banded together by now and forced the law to make laws protecting minors less conflicting, and more logical and comprehensive.


[edit on 16-10-2008 by rapinbatsisaltherage]



posted on Oct, 16 2008 @ 08:21 PM
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I feel it should have been dealt with and prevented by her foster parents.
Where the hell were they while she was takin it all off?



posted on Oct, 16 2008 @ 08:22 PM
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Originally posted by skeptic1
No, depending on the state, she would be a minor and you would be a rapist. Statutory or not, depending on the age of consent, you would be a rapist. By strict adherence to the law, that is.....


California.

So when I turned 18, she was 16, and her parents made threats.

I sat down with them and let them know what's up. I had myself a lucid conversation with them. They didn't ever bring it up again
We dated for 6 years.



posted on Oct, 16 2008 @ 08:23 PM
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Almost every teenager is thinking about sexual things, these days almost every teenager has a camera phone.

What do you expect to happen!? lol

Nothing out of place happened here, it's to be expected, and I'm pretty sure there are thousands of photos our there on girlfriends and boyfriends personal phones and computers.

Did she do anything wrong, well I think that's up to your own moral reasoning.

In my opinion there are plenty of much more important things going on, if she's going to get punished I would leave it up to the parents.



[edit on 16-10-2008 by _Phoenix_]



posted on Oct, 16 2008 @ 08:24 PM
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Originally posted by schism85
First of all, my simple friend, I never said she should go without penalties. Never didn't say it, quote me if Iam wrong.

I said if you have to charge her criminaly with anything, charge her with lewd conduct.

Ahh, I see the problem. You're not even paying attention to what other people have typed - let alone remember what YOU have typed. I certainly feel that I am arguing with a troll now.

You've changed your stance a number of times. I'll quote you since you have limited mental retention:



A slap on the wrist maybe, some counselling maybe, make her a registered sex offender, completely ludacrious


After that, you said:



Ok, if she must be charged, charge her with lewd conduct or something, don't make her a registered sex offender.

It's rather ironic that you want her charged with lewd conduct, but not placed on a sexual offender list. Persons who commit lewd conduct with a minor - which she is, but you ignore - are added to sexual offenders lists.

and then, you said:



I think everyone on this board is pretty much in agreeance that this is not acceptable behavior, and that she should be punished. But not this harshly.


And again, you said, in response to this:



She shouldn't have to face any penalties as far as i'm concerned ...

Do they get punished for having sex? No...So why punish her for sending her friends nude photos.

Get over it


You, in response, said:



I agree. The bottom line, is her intent. Her intent was not to make child pornography, and she is being punished like it was ...





I never said she should not be held accountable, I disagree with the charges that she is facing.


But you agree that "she shouldn't face any penalties"




When you say all these girls are getting breaks, who are you reffering to?


Obviously I'm talking about the future teenage girls who would be a product of a society where they can send personal pornography, or be exploited through loopholes when the repercussions for such lewd activity is "a slap on the wrist" or "nothing."

You'll now realize why I'm placing you on ignore. You're just too inconsistent and flip-flopping around.



posted on Oct, 16 2008 @ 08:26 PM
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I completely agree. Its no buissness of the goverments to be in. The only reason why they are involved, is because the school found out, and didn't know how to handle it properly, so they called the police. Bad call on their part.



posted on Oct, 16 2008 @ 08:26 PM
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Originally posted by Lucid Lunacy

Originally posted by skeptic1
No, depending on the state, she would be a minor and you would be a rapist. Statutory or not, depending on the age of consent, you would be a rapist. By strict adherence to the law, that is.....


California.

So when I turned 18, she was 16, and her parents made threats.

I sat down with them and let them know what's up. I had myself a lucid conversation with them. They didn't ever bring it up again
We dated for 6 years.

So what's the rules over there, are you a rapist or not!?


In the UK, I can have sex with 16 and over. (not that I would want to, I prefer at least 18, I'm 22.)


[edit on 16-10-2008 by _Phoenix_]



posted on Oct, 16 2008 @ 08:27 PM
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The few people on here are sticking with the extreme "adherence to the law".....they are seeing black and white. Shades of gray don't exist to them. You were lucky that everyone came to an understanding and settled on an agreeable shade of gray.

The world is not black and white. It is only shades of gray. And, in this type of situation, there has to be a middle ground where we can agree she was wrong but also agree that she shouldn't have her life ruined because of it.



posted on Oct, 16 2008 @ 08:27 PM
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Originally posted by logician magician

Originally posted by schism85
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If all of these girls are getting breaks, doesn't that leave a loop hole in the system for child pornography?

What's to stop a sexual predator from meeting up with the children who do this and exploit them based on their actions if they all get breaks?



....each case needs to be treated based on the specific facts of that case.
I'm sure she is embarrassed beyond words right now. Are you suggesting we waste our judicial resources on this case? Did she send her "Porn" to some 5 yr old boy or was it to some other 14 or 15 year old? Children? Minors? What age were people getting married back in the day, back in Europe, in Africa now, how old were Romeo and Juliet. When was the first time you ever saw or touched some boobies. Back in my day it was called playing Doctor. It was "hey, you don't have one of these"
There is soooooooo much grey area when it comes to sex that we can't treat it as if it were black letter law. Pallin's daughter is a friggin sex offender then too. We, in this Country are the most screwed up nation when it comes to what IS and ISN"T appropriate sexual conduct. Screw your cousin in Utah and your a sex offender. Do it in Alabama and all you have to do is marry her and your cool.
Homosexuality use to be in the DSM as a mental illness.
Pedophillia is a sexual orientation......let it sink in....shocking isn't it....have you heard anyone admit that yet? They won't because then we have to admit that there are a group of people that are not protected under the equal protection clause of the Constitution. For some reason that is unacceptable to people. We can't be unfair to some group if they can't help it........Sorry but yes we can, and yes we should. Sorry that you were wired the way you were when you were born....sorry that because you were a victim of abuse you now are locked permanently with the mental and emotional matureity of a 12 year old. It is tragic, we are sorry....but we don't give a drivers license to a blind person. We don't allow retarded people to fly airplanes. AND we don't and won't allow an adult touch our children sexually.....if you do, we will humanly (as possible) remove you from society.
Pedophiles didn't say one day..."gee, I really want to be an evil evil person so how can I find the best way to hurt people."

Why is this important to this issue. Because once you understand what a "real" sexual deviant is...you can "rationally" be able to see the difference between "normal" sexual exploration and true deviance.
....so try to change your mindset if you can, fight ignorance, don't let mob mentality take control of your ability to reason, use your own experiences.
Some of you are probably thinking....."damn, I shouldn't have done that, or I am a sick person for doing this....or if people knew about this....or I was 15 or 16 when I lost my viginity to the babysitter or my neighbor or at my first sleep over with my friends brother or.....whatever...did that make you a sex offender"? Every friend I have ever had has some sex story that they thought was "unique". male and female alike.

hey I have 4600 characters left....but I won't use them. Just give this girl a break and be glad that when we were kids we didn't have cell phones with cameras on them because I'm sure my 15yr old girlfriend would have sent me some "deviant" pictures. Know the difference my friends.
I'm not saying that her parents shouldn't give her quite the talking to but if she is normal then the public humiliation has probably been worse than anything else she has ever experienced.



posted on Oct, 16 2008 @ 08:28 PM
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I agree, and it's also important with all things in life, nothing is so black and white, there is always grey, it's not so easy to say, us against them or this is right that is wrong, that's why wars are sad. You could easily be on the other side.



[edit on 16-10-2008 by _Phoenix_]



posted on Oct, 16 2008 @ 08:29 PM
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....Skeptic1,
if I would have read your post I could have cut my rant down by 80% at least. Good post.



posted on Oct, 16 2008 @ 08:30 PM
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Originally posted by Lucid Lunacy
California.

So when I turned 18, she was 16, and her parents made threats.

I sat down with them and let them know what's up. I had myself a lucid conversation with them. They didn't ever bring it up again
We dated for 6 years.


My first serious boyfriend was almost seven years older than me; we started dating when I was sixteen. When people hear that sometimes they react so oddly. Like, “oh my god, pedo” “he took advantage of you”. Before I even tell them anything about our relationship or him; truth is we dated for a year before we had sex, while most of the girls I knew had their sixteen year old boyfriends pressuring them into it within two weeks (and they weren’t even that good at it for Christ sakes, poor girls
).

I think people’s reaction to that relationship to me has been a perfect example of how idiotic and presumptuous people are, and how society has mangled definitions of “pedophilia” and “rape” and “child”.


[edit on 17-10-2008 by rapinbatsisaltherage]



posted on Oct, 16 2008 @ 08:30 PM
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I never said this:" She shouldn't have to face any penalties as far as i'm concerned ...

Do they get punished for having sex? No...So why punish her for sending her friends nude photos.

Get over it "

I don't know who the hell you are quoting. FOOL!

Yes I said if they HAD to charge her Had to!!! What are you that hard headed!!!

How did I contradict myself??

Here I'll break it down so you can remeber a little better.

Punishment YES
Morally wrong YES
Counseling YES
Charging her with a felony, and labeling her a sex offender NO

You are not making any sense. My stance has been the same every time. You are the TROLL. There is soooo much more I would say to you, but I would get banned.




[edit on 16-10-2008 by schism85]



posted on Oct, 16 2008 @ 08:31 PM
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Originally posted by _Phoenix_

Originally posted by logician magician


This is exactly what people are saying in this thread:

a) A girl is an underage minor, 15 years old.
b) The girl takes pornographic pictures of herself, thereby creating underage pornography.
c) She distributes this pornography to minors, and it winds up in the hands of adults.
c) Members here think she should not be charged with a crime.



Yes that's right, so what's wrong with that?

Also is a naked picture really porn? I don't know, honest question.


Search Google for the legal definitions of pornography and obscenity.

You're right, I'm sure this girl is an aspiring artist who is sending her friends her current photosets.



posted on Oct, 16 2008 @ 08:31 PM
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I was an adult and she was a minor when I turned 18.

No California court would have charged me with anything because it was so obviously consensual. We had been dating and having sex for an entire year prior. No real grounds. The parents were just total traditionalist boyscouts and didn't want their daughter having sex at all.



posted on Oct, 16 2008 @ 08:32 PM
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Or possibility number 3#

she is a teen girl sending nude pics to her teen boyfriend.



posted on Oct, 16 2008 @ 08:38 PM
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Great post, and I really enjoyed the tone. I was waiting for something like that which actually had content. Now that the devil has been killed, there isn't much use to continue my devil's advocate stance.



posted on Oct, 16 2008 @ 08:45 PM
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Oh is that what you were doing? Just being a devils advocate?

I see. Well never mind anything you said. It's no longer absurd. Thanks for being the voice of reason for all us with group-think



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