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15 Year Old Girl Charged as Sex Offender

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posted on Oct, 16 2008 @ 06:57 PM
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Originally posted by Sonya610

Originally posted by logician magician
Your duty as a father comes first to your daughter, sons, and family and their protection first... society comes second.

Would you go to court and testify against your own flesh and blood? I wouldn't. When the man comes knocking on my door, I'll stand my ground for my family.


Your attitude sounds very very "ghetto". That is common here in Atlanta, people "take their kids side" every time the kid gets in trouble. When the kid finally gets in BIG trouble and kills someone during a robbery or a car jacking they STILL make excuses such as "well he just started running with the wrong crowd."

Taking your kids side against "the man" when they steal, assault, or otherwise show they are a menace to society is PART OF THE PROBLEM!

[edit on 16-10-2008 by Sonya610]


Yet another person to illustrate my point.

You people are taking the side of a child who created child porn.

Would you also take the side of your daughter if she created child porn?




posted on Oct, 16 2008 @ 07:04 PM
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Originally posted by whatukno
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Heck I guess yall would condone and approve of some sort of online kiddie porn site that teens can post pics of themselves on as long as they take them themselves. That must be all good too right?


Hell, I didn't even know sites like that existed. You must be a member.



posted on Oct, 16 2008 @ 07:05 PM
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Originally posted by schism85

Originally posted by logician magician

I don't really think the girl should be charged (and she probably won't).


Than what are you debating? That it was wrong. I think we are all in agreeance on that. I fail to see your point in all this.

[edit on 16-10-2008 by schism85]


I'm debating to see if anyone can actually give me anything to make me consider changing my adopted position of devil's advocate.

So far, nothing really. It's just a bunch of beating around the bush and appealing to emotion (talking about daughters), insults (implying that I'm filling the thread up with child porn).. completely ignoring current laws, etc... etc...



posted on Oct, 16 2008 @ 07:06 PM
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Originally posted by logician magician
You people are taking the side of a child who created child porn.
Would you also take the side of your daughter if she created child porn?


She no doubt did not even realize she was creating child porn. She did not victimize anyone else, and she is not a threat to society. Child Porn laws are intended to protect children from predators. She is not a predator.

Honestly your anger, and the fact that you mention that if some 15 year old sends YOU pics YOU would be charged makes it seem like you are taking this personally. You are angry because YOU worry about being charged so you want to see this kid charged as well.



posted on Oct, 16 2008 @ 07:06 PM
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I said I would not "want" but as this article eludes to the foster parents don't have any more choice in the matter. Before I had also said that perhaps a lighter punishment would be acceptable.

But I do smell double standard here. Just because shes a girl means it's ok? No it doesn't! Child porn is child porn. People that spread around child porn should be punished.

If fair is fair, then adults that spread child porn on the internet should just have their computers taken away right? They haven't harmed anyone, they just take photos of kids and share them with their friends right?

If it's ok for kids to do, then I guess it's just alright to produce and distribute child porn? Thats the overwhelming message that I am reading in this thread.

If fair is fair, then producing and distributing child porn should be ok if the people of this thread are correct. i guess if the child is willing to have someone take nudie pictures of children and post them or send them to each other because no one has been hurt then all is good and everyone wins right?



posted on Oct, 16 2008 @ 07:07 PM
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Originally posted by schism85

Originally posted by whatukno
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Heck I guess yall would condone and approve of some sort of online kiddie porn site that teens can post pics of themselves on as long as they take them themselves. That must be all good too right?


Hell, I didn't even know sites like that existed. You must be a member.



That's what I'm talking about right now.

You guys are accusing each other of people child porn downloaders now that you can't defend your position.

It's pretty stupid.



posted on Oct, 16 2008 @ 07:07 PM
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Ok, how about logic?

Did this girl act with criminal intent?

Were there any victims that were traumatized by what she did (meaning her friends and boyfriend)?

Did she set out to hurt anyone?

Did she act out of stupidity?

Did she set out to create child pornography?

Did she act with malice and forethought?

Was she motivated by greed or avarice?

IMO, it was stupid, not criminal, and the girl needs to go to mandatory therapy.



posted on Oct, 16 2008 @ 07:08 PM
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Not really concerned too much with changing your opinion, because thankfully most of us haven't lost our understanding of teenagers and why these laws are in place to begin with, to protect children from exploitation of adults. Also, when laws can be exploited by sadistic officials people need to work at changing that. We empower this system, they don't empower us.



posted on Oct, 16 2008 @ 07:08 PM
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But you said it yourself, you don't believe she should be charged. Neither do most of the posters on here. You say its not right, neither do most of the posters on here.

Iam failing to see what point you are trying to get across, instead of just posting the explicit images in your head.



posted on Oct, 16 2008 @ 07:08 PM
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Originally posted by whatukno
Just because shes a girl means it's ok? No it doesn't! Child porn is child porn. People that spread around child porn should be punished.


It has nothing to do with her "being a girl". I am quite sure if it was a 15 year old boy people would react the same way.



posted on Oct, 16 2008 @ 07:09 PM
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Originally posted by whatukno

Fine if this was my daughter, no I would not want her to be labeled as a sex offender.

However, what I would want is for a judge to scare her enough to make her think twice before doing something so inappropriate like this ever again.


Ever again?

Like if she is an adult she can't send nude photos of herself to her hubby?

Anyways, I think if I understand what you are saying correctly then that is 100% a different stance then you originally gave. Which is perfectly fine to me. I think I can agree to that. But do you now grant this same approach to all the other daughters under the same conditions?


But some on this board feel that its all good cause shes sending her amateur underage porn to her bf (a minor) that this is normal behavior that is socially acceptable.


Yeah. That's pretty much what I think. Sorry
Throw me in the same prison as this filthy child pornographer if you want. To try.

It's normal.

Parts of it are acceptable. Parts of it are not. Put it all together and she needs a talking to and a cell phone suspension, not ten years of being branded as a child predator.



posted on Oct, 16 2008 @ 07:09 PM
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I have defended my position several times with him. He is not listening to anyone. Is this your buddy or something? I think he has fingers to type too.

[edit on 16-10-2008 by schism85]



posted on Oct, 16 2008 @ 07:12 PM
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Originally posted by Sonya610

Originally posted by logician magician
You people are taking the side of a child who created child porn.
Would you also take the side of your daughter if she created child porn?


She no doubt did not even realize she was creating child porn. She did not victimize anyone else, and she is not a threat to society. Child Porn laws are intended to protect children from predators. She is not a predator.

Honestly your anger, and the fact that you mention that if some 15 year old sends YOU pics YOU would be charged makes it seem like you are taking this personally. You are angry because YOU worry about being charged so you want to see this kid charged as well.


Are you an internet psychiatrist? Is that all you can come up with? Some superficial ad hominem attacks and ridiculous e-anaylysis?

Assumption: She no doubt did not even realize she was creating child porn.

She victimized herself, and perhaps, the school officials who had to view the pictures to make sure they were indeed child pornography.

"Child Porn laws are intended to protect children from predators. She is not a predator."

Once a young, 16 year old, female foster child has the reputation of taking nude pictures of herself, (which she does now) do you think that it is possible that an opportunist sexual predator - perhaps at her current or future foster home will "take advantage" of the situation and her apparent immoral behavior?



posted on Oct, 16 2008 @ 07:15 PM
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In addition to some restrictions, and punishment as in intending to instruct, I believe the correct way to handle a situation like this involves a quick visit to a birth control clinic and explore the whole complex issue of preventing pregnancy and STDs because this isn't likely to be something that is going to go away. It means its time to really educate the teenager before she becomes a statistic, not to slap a chastity belt on her, which probably won't work any longer.



posted on Oct, 16 2008 @ 07:16 PM
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Thats a great point. Gave it a star.



posted on Oct, 16 2008 @ 07:28 PM
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Originally posted by skeptic1
reply to post by logician magician
 




Did this girl act with criminal intent?


She broke the law, did she not? Is ignorance an excuse for breaking the law?


Were there any victims that were traumatized by what she did (meaning her friends and boyfriend)?


She may be traumatized somewhat as this case is in the national media, everyone in her school potentially knows about it, along with everyone in her community, and her foster parents. She is essentially the victim of her own actions, and a child who in fact, broke a law that has been around for some time.



Did she set out to hurt anyone?


Unfortunately, the other 1/10 of the law counts too. Do you consider the potential of being put on a sexual offender list for 10 years to be hurting yourself?



Did she act out of stupidity?

Did she set out to create child pornography?


According to law, she did create child pornography. People who commit manslaughter or vehicular homicide don't always intend to kill. If a law is created that gives minors a loop hole to create child pornography of themselves, how does society prevent them from selling these pictures, or posting them all over the internet? How can we prevent adults from exploiting these loopholes?

If we make an exception for this girl, should we make an exception for everyone else too? If we make exceptions, then do we also monitor and control the child porn business much as we do the adult porno industry?

We draw a line for society, and out of sheer practicality (it's not always fair) we make the line very clear.



Did she act with malice and forethought?

Was she motivated by greed or avarice?


Oh, yeah, sure.




IMO, it was stupid, not criminal, and the girl needs to go to mandatory therapy.


I think it was stupid, but that it was also criminal. 12 - 17 year olds probably shouldn't be allowed to distribute child pornography on cellular or internetworks where adults who may be sexual predators.

Do you consider it okay for a grown man to "get off" on pictures of 12 year olds? I'm not sure if it's okay, or wrong, but I think that it does more harm than good in a society with the values we have already.

Perhaps, if you feel so strongly about it, you can get involved with the legislation making certain types of underage pornography legal.

Unfortunately, I think you'd just be labeled as a a deviant and a sexual predator by the majority of society who thinks it's better left as a black and white area.



posted on Oct, 16 2008 @ 07:30 PM
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In the words of the great Maynard Keenan..........

"Foot in mouth, and head up ass so whatcha talkin bout?

Difficult to dance round this one till you pull it out....... Boy

You must have been high"



posted on Oct, 16 2008 @ 07:31 PM
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The problem I have here is that she is creating a situation that can quite easily spiral out of control. Those photos can easily get out and get posted on the internet. Then what? What kind of damage can be done to this young girl then?

Yes this is child porn

Yes this was a stupid thing to do

No I don't think her entire life should be ruined because of it.

No I don't think she should get off Scott free with a slap on the wrist and a scolding. She has created something that is felonious to possess. She has sent this illegal material to her BF.

The reason I think that she should have a harsh punishment because of this (maybe not as harsh as in the OP article) Is because this behavior is dangerous. It's dangerous to her, it's dangerous to her BF. (he could easily be charged with this crime too)

So no I don't think that taking her phone away and sending her to her room is enough. But yes I do think that perhaps labeling her a sex offender may be too much.

But at the same time, what she did is actually a crime, producing child pornography is in fact a crime. I don't think she should be completely let off the hook for this actual crime. Perhaps no one was hurt, but the reality is that creating and distributing child porn is illegal.

It does not matter if no one was hurt by it. What matters is that she produced child pornography for the expressed purpose to distribute it. This in itself is a crime, a crime that does deserve to be punished.

Taking her phone away and slapping her on the wrist for creating felonious material for the expressed purpose of distribution is simply silly, that would be like telling a murderer to stop killing people and taking away his gun.



posted on Oct, 16 2008 @ 07:33 PM
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Originally posted by schism85
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In the words of the great Maynard Keenan..........

"Foot in mouth, and head up ass so whatcha talkin bout?

Difficult to dance round this one till you pull it out....... Boy

You must have been high"


I wouldn't expect a reply from you any less... or any more, for that matter.

As I said before, you can't counter what I've said so you resort to childish accusations.



posted on Oct, 16 2008 @ 07:33 PM
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You keep saying that you don't think she should be labeled as a sex offender, and that she deserves more than a slap on the wrist. So what is the middle ground in your mind?



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