15 Year Old Girl Charged as Sex Offender

reply to post by logician magician


Four posts down dude 12 pg. You still have not made any kind of point. You are just getting eaten alive here. What haven't I responded to?



[edit on 16-10-2008 by schism85]

Originally posted by whatukno

I am not sure why I am bothering with you.

It's almost like you wrote all your responses before we even wrote our posts.

But I do smell double standard here. Just because shes a girl means it's ok? No it doesn't!

What? Where did you smell that??

Child porn is child porn. People that spread around child porn should be punished.

Indeed. I very much agree. How we are defining child porn to begin with is the divide we are experiencing in our discussion. She was not making and sending child porn. Child porn implies a specific intent. And child porn implies adults exploiting minors.

If fair is fair, then adults that spread child porn on the internet should just have their computers taken away right?

Apples to Oranges AT BEST.

The fact that you can't distinguish a difference between a minor sending nude pics of herself to another minor, and an adult collecting child porn, shows you don't understand this issue at all.

It becomes child porn because it's an adult and a minor. An adult exploiting children for sexual purposes.

For instance, is it child rape when a 14 year old boy has sex with a 13 year old girl?? Is it child rape when a 43 year old man has sex with a 13 year old girl?

Is it child molestation when you cop a feel in your Freshman year of HS? Is it child molestation when the HS teacher does the same thing to a Freshman student?

If fair is fair, then producing and distributing child porn should be ok if the people of this thread are correct.

If it's ok for kids to do, then I guess it's just alright to produce and distribute child porn? Thats the overwhelming message that I am reading in this thread.

No that is not the overwhelming message you are reading. That is the overwhelming message you are seeing. Ink blots my friend. Rose-colored glasses. Preconceived notions. Biased interpretations. You are not trying to understanding what we are really saying.

[edit on 16-10-2008 by Lucid Lunacy]

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:bnghd::bnghd::bnghd::bnghd::bnghd:

Yeah, calling me and others on this thread who don't agree with you deviants and sexual predators is doing a lot to make us see the logic in your points. If any of us are, it's you with your ever so vivid imagination when it comes to 15 year old girls and the pictures they take and the poses they are in.

Maybe before calling us or me a deviant, you should look in the mirror.

It is no point even talking to you about this since you can't stick to the topic at hand. This is not about murder. This is not about an adult. This is not about pedophiles.

If you want to make the line so clear, then you should agree that your daughter would be held to the same standards as you hold this girl to.

This was not criminal; there was no criminal intent. She was stupid. Stupid, stupid, stupid.

Originally posted by logician magician
resort to childish accusations

Yeah and I've read this thread noticing that you keep twisting peoples statements, trying to claim they condone child porn because they don’t agree with you. So is everyone in this thread who keeps calling out the absurdity of your logic a child porn supporter, or are you not throwing childish accusations around too?

[edit on 16-10-2008 by rapinbatsisaltherage]

So if a 15 year old teenager masturbates should the bey charged with child molestation? The world is going crazy.

Can I remind you people that nothing wrong REALLY happened.

Have you guys forgotten about school and teenage girls?

I'm just saying 15 year old girls are out there every day doing all kinds of sexual things, probably even things you have never heard about haha.

Taking a picture of herself is nothing compared to what she could be doing.

The fact is she could be convicted as a sex offender at age 15. That is just stupid. Forget about laws, just think common sense. Why not go ahead and charge every 15 year old girl as one while they are at it.

All I can say is that it seems like some people are a little bit too "scared" with anything sexual to do with teenagers, they forget it's "natural", so instead of facing the reality, they become afraid and charge a 15 year old girl, because they are afraid, not because she has done anything criminal.



[edit on 16-10-2008 by _Phoenix_]

Originally posted by whatukno
The problem I have here is that she is creating a situation that can quite easily spiral out of control. Those photos can easily get out and get posted on the internet. Then what?

You never addressed my mock article I had on an earlier page.

That was only half humour. If you check that out again you will see I was addressing that very point.

When a gun gets crafted there is a chance later on someone could purchase it, things could spiral out of control, and someone could get murdered. If that happens we don't go arrest the the gun-maker for manslaughter do we?

[edit on 16-10-2008 by Lucid Lunacy]

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I didn't know that was a real article, I thought you were just being funny. Man, thats a screwed up situation too.

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No I did make that up :p hehe.

To address a point.

Fact within fiction.

Btw Tool makes my soul sing

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Me too bro. Definitely music for the soul, and the mind.

Originally posted by schism85
reply to post by logician magician

 

Four posts down dude. You still have not made any kind of point. You are just getting eaten alive here. What haven't I responded to?

[edit on 16-10-2008 by schism85]

Sorry, I don't agree that simple and stupid personal attacks are me being eaten alive.

My whole point, which I have repeated about 5 times, is "where do you draw the line?"

Do you give all the 15 year old girls who give porno to their friends and have school officials find it, a break like that? Do you give all these girls a "break" because they are "just being girls?"

You mentioned earlier about charging her with lewd conduct - a crime that involves pornography and minors. Is she not a minor, and did she not create pornography?

People charged with lewd conduct with a minor are added to sexual offenders list, just like she may be.

You seem to not understand that she is a minor who has created pornography.

If she didn't create pornography, then what did she create, and who is allowed to see it in your little world?

You, yourself said "She shouldn't have to face any penalties as far as i'm concerned... "

Think about what that implies my friend... it implies that you are 100% for 15 year old girls distributing nude photographs of themselves to other minors - AND without accountability.

If all of these girls are getting breaks, doesn't that leave a loop hole in the system for child pornography?

What's to stop a sexual predator from meeting up with the children who do this and exploit them based on their actions if they all get breaks?

Like I said, you and everyone else here are beating around the bush.

cool thread. I am doing my doctoral thesis on the emergence of sexual deviant statis and due process for them in the courts. (mostly dealing with civilly committed sex offenders because that is where my previous employment experience was in)
...Would you rather be labled a murderer or a pedophile?
....Do you really think that if a 15 year old boy that has sex with his 28 year old female teacher is a victim? How many of us "men" remember what it was like to be 15? Would any of us be psychologically impared any more than we are by anything else we have experienced? I would take the 28 year old teacher experience over the typical divorce.
....But of course make it a 15yr old girl and 28yr old male teacher and you have a different ball game. That IS the way it is. There is no double standard, it isn't hypocritical, the line is drawn. Because it isn't some fantasy that most 15 year old girls have.
The age of consent is arbritary for sex just like it is for voting and for drinking. They pick an age they think is reasonable and there you go.
We can't throw around the "sex offender" label just because it violates one of these arbritary laws. You rape....you be a sex offender. The percentage of you reading this that "didn't take no for an answer" on a date....you be a sex offender. (...she finally said yes, or she let me, or she didn't say no more than once....BS) you be a sex offender.
Do you think this 15 year old girl is really going to 1) go to court 2) be convicted. 3) be given the label of sex offender. You need the whole story to even have any kind of educated guess. But if just going by what the OP submitted then the answer is no, no, and no.
......Terrorist or sex offender.....which one has more damning statis?
.....save the sex offender lable for those that deserve it. I know sex offenders. This 15yr old girl, is not one.

Originally posted by logician magician


Think about what that implies my friend... it implies that you are 100% for 15 year old girls distributing nude photographs of themselves to other minors - AND without accountability.

So what is worse, taking a picture of yourself or having sex with another person at the age of 15?

I'm pretty sure there are plenty of 15 year olds having sex, should we arrest them?

Originally posted by rapinbatsisaltherage

Originally posted by logician magician
resort to childish accusations

Yeah and I've read this thread noticing that you keep twisting peoples statements, trying to claim they condone child porn because they don’t agree with you. So is everyone in this thread who keeps calling out the absurdity of your logic a child porn supporter, or are you not throwing childish accusations around too?

[edit on 16-10-2008 by rapinbatsisaltherage]

It's not because they don't agree with me, but that they indirectly condone it, and are just hiding behind their rhetoric.

This is exactly what people are saying in this thread:

a) A girl is an underage minor, 15 years old.
b) The girl takes pornographic pictures of herself, thereby creating underage pornography.
c) She distributes this pornography to minors, and it winds up in the hands of adults.
c) Members here think she should not be charged with a crime.

Originally posted by logician magician
My whole point, which I have repeated about 5 times, is "where do you draw the line?"

With adults exploiting, molesting, and raping children.

Originally posted by logician magician


This is exactly what people are saying in this thread:

a) A girl is an underage minor, 15 years old.
b) The girl takes pornographic pictures of herself, thereby creating underage pornography.
c) She distributes this pornography to minors, and it winds up in the hands of adults.
c) Members here think she should not be charged with a crime.

Yes that's right, so what's wrong with that?

Also is a naked picture really porn? I don't know, honest question.

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First of all, my simple friend, I never said she should go without penalties. Never. Didn't say it, quote me if Iam wrong.

I said if you have to charge her criminaly with anything, charge her with lewd conduct. Did you look up what lewd conduct really is? It has nothing to do with minors. Any person can be charged with lewd conduct.

She did not have the intent of making child pornography, as much as you would want to believe that.

I never said she should not be held accountable, I disagree with the charges that she is facing.

When you say all these girls are getting breaks, who are you reffering to?

In conclusion my friend it is hard to pick out any kind of sensible logic in your post. Talking with you, is like being on a merry go round, and I feel like puking.

Is your name suppossed to be ironic or something? Because it seems you are neither a magician of logic, nor do you understand the meaning of logic.


[edit on 16-10-2008 by schism85]

Originally posted by _Phoenix_

So what is worse, taking a picture of yourself or having sex with another person at the age of 15?

I'm pretty sure there are plenty of 15 year olds having sex, should we arrest them?

What goes through your head when you see the self-incriminating videos of people who have recorded themselves or documented themselves doing something illegal?

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Indeed I don't understand this either.

My first girlfriend and I lost our virginity together when she was 15 and I was 17. Many do this at younger ages. I was older then many of my male friends.

According to the logic of some here my girlfriend and I should be experiencing even harsher punishments. Clearly we both molested and sexually abused children

Originally posted by whatukno
So no I don't think that taking her phone away and sending her to her room is enough. But yes I do think that perhaps labeling her a sex offender may be too much.

I think we are in agreement here.

But at the same time, what she did is actually a crime, producing child pornography is in fact a crime. I don't think she should be completely let off the hook for this actual crime. Perhaps no one was hurt, but the reality is that creating and distributing child porn is illegal.

I have a 15 year old cousin. His mother is the same age as me. He was recently rearrested for breaking out of juvey hall and stealing a car and driving it across state lines. He is currently recieving a much lesser punishment as this girl is. Is this fair? Stealing a car and driving across state lines is also a felony. But, my cousin will have no record of that once he turns 18. Because he is a minor.

But, sending a photo of yourself as a minor to your boyfriend is a harsher punishment? And totally worth the ruin of a life to some?