Originally posted by Mcloud313
This sounds pretty cocky to me...I challenge you to be in such a situation of chaos and determine who is a friend and who is a hostile.
Oddly enough, I have been in a hurricane and the aftermath of a hurricane.
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And, no one was disarmed. It was never even a question. You would be amazed at how well people can come together and take care of themselves and
each other if they are allowed to. There was no question of who was a "hostile" because our policemen never took the approach that we were the
enemy. They helped. We all helped. We lost power and water, etc. zAll our food spoiled in our refrigerators, but there were no forced evacuations.
If your house was destroyed, you stayed with neighbors friends, or in a shelter such as a school. If your house survived, you stayed in your home
and helped clean up the debris from the storm with the rest of the neighbors and the state crews. We didnt have any trouble telling who was a friend
and who wasnt. If they were helping, they were a friend. If they were acting like an idiot stealing or causing trouble, they were hostile. We have
eyes. It isnt that hard to see. Maybe I do sound cocky. To me, being scared of your own townspeople sounds just plain cowardly. Its all a matter
of opinion isnt it?
Originally posted by Mcloud313
I would argue anyone who didn't look like me (such as uniform), or was actively not with my group would need to be disarmed.
Honestly? Including your fellow Americans? You should not be allowed to carry a weapon yourself if you think that way of your own people, in my
opinion.
Originally posted by Mcloud313
It comes down to a matter of trust the whole reason we exist is because the citizens can't be trusted upon to maintain order if they could we
wouldn't have a Police Force or an Army.
I thought the Army was designed to handle other Armies. The police I thought were in place to handle criminals. I didnt realize it was because the
citizens could not be
trusted to maintain order. I thought it was to specialize, so that many of us could go about the business of doing other
things in the best interests of the country. Working, building houses and infrastructure, writing computer programs, etc., you know, that trivial
work that makes an Army or a police force possible at all. I did not realize it was to herd us around like a bunch of incompetent and untrustworthy
cattle. I thought in a country of the people, by the people and for the people, those agencies served the people.
Originally posted by Mcloud313
do you think that the civilians of that zone could have restored order on their own by walking around armed with firearms?
If you mean would citizens have prevented all the looting, no. If you mean could citizens have taken care of their own homes, those not under water,
yes. There is no indication that taking the weapons from people was necessary, legal, or beneficial.
Originally posted by Mcloud313
Do you argue they could determine between who was aiding them in restoring order and who was just taking advantage of the situation by looting and
murdering?
How many people were murdered? More than on any other normal month in that city? You act as if mass murders were occurring. They werent. And if
you claim they were, back it up. I have always been able to tell friend from foe in my own life. I dont go around jumping everyone I see first
because they
might want to fight with me. I can understand that mentality in a country like Iraq or even Vietnam, where the fighters on the
other side are dressed just like the average guy. But this is the USA. We are not insurgents, not enemy combatants, and if you think we are, you are
so far gone I dont know what to say to you.
Looting went on, sure. But what does looting have to do with taking guns away from law abiding citizens? How are those two connected at all? Enact
a curfew, patrol the area, arrest anyone out after curfew. Like they do in every other situation where looting is occurring. They didnt seize
firearms in Texas recently. The didnt sieze weapons in Hawai'i during Iwa. Maybe all the Gestapo methodology CAUSED a lot of the problems in
Katrina, ever thought of that?
Or are you saying that the people of Louisiana and New Orleans particularly are more dangerous than the citizens in the rest of the US?