In defence of Dave420 - Not that he needs defending
Dave420 and I have had our exchanges in the past. Yes - personally I may find some of those exchanges somewhat undiplomatic...the old chestnut of
"Not what you say but how you say it"....but he questions. He questions!
While those of us who experience or believe may find being questioned so vermently somewhat unsettling - I also see that as a potentially positive
thing. For he causes you to challenge and question your own belief structure...in some ways Dave420 can be the fire that tempers your steel.
The Paranormal Section is the section I tend to lurk around the most - its my own interest, passion, experience...and I've been a Member of ATS
since, well, since it really began 8 or so years ago...so I've seen quite a few threads and claims made over those years.
I also have to be real honest here: Like Dave420 there I times I read threads from people claiming to be able to do this, that or the other...claiming
to be able to levitate, throw energy-balls, predict everything under the sun...claiming to be able to morph their physical form etc etc etc. Some
pretty wierd, wild and wonderful claims have certainly been made here in this section.
And I'll tell you this: Often when I read those threads the needle of my skeptometre buries itself well into the red.
I accept my own skepticism stems from my own lack of experience pertaining to some of those discussed *abilities* (though that word in itself is
something that causes my skin to crawl as I kinda see it as not being an *ability* as such rather a calling - a mandate if you will. So in some way
perhaps not being technically *yours*).
Which is also somewhat contradictory to my own experiences through life. Heh - I'm really going to have to start a thread outlining some of those,
what I do for a job, what I see each and every working week...as much of what I am engaged in could be seen as being possible examples of these
My doubt and skepticism DOESN'T so much come from a lack of belief of these things existing. Heck - just last week I was part of a group that was
*helping* a family with their young son who was being *troubled* by a few things.
During our session with the family/son at their house the pictures were rattling on the walls...and at one point a plastic drinking tumbler just
flicked off a bench next to us and bounced off the wall. Noone near it. No wind in the room or anything like that.
We had no cameras present, no unbiased scientific investigation team with us or anything to categorically PROVE what happened during that
session...all we would
have would be the testimonials of the 8 people who were present at the time. Which I also accept ISN'T irrefutable
proof. Certainly proof enough for me - I was there!
...and thats the key to it all really - well, as I see it: Words like PROOF and FACT are real big calls to make.
Often I've seen people say things like "Theres mountains of undeniable evidence". Really? I'm no spring-chicken either...so I've spent a few
decades also researching these things. And while I have certainly come across much that to me
would be considered proof
...I also accept
I see it as such because that 'proof' is congruant with my own understanding/perception
I am yet to come across any undeniable irrefutable proof
however. The kind which is clearly recorded, unquestionable, solid from any angle you
care to look at it. It may well be out there - but to be honest again I haven't seen it.
So...the point I'm really trying to make with this whole meandering muttering is that the Believers/experiencers amongst us need to be cognisant
about those definative words like 'proof', 'evidence', 'fact', 'truth'. And be ready to be called on them if you do
choose to use
Hence why things I post I try to make very clear is just my own perception
. I wouldn't claim it as fact, truth, whatever for everyone
else...for I am certainly not the holder or arbitor of truth...but it just *feels* true
for me, right now at this time.
That may well change...so we also need to be open to being wrong in what we hold so strongly as well.