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reply posted on 21-9-2008 @ 09:54 PM by Sky watcher
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Originally posted by dgtempe
Tell me this doesnt coincide with our little BAILOUT program, and for Pete's sakes, how much more obvious could it get?????
What are we, stupid? real stupid???
Evidently.
I've had it- this is the climax of the BUSH ADMINISTRATION. This is what is being dished out, although i must say, in no way do i believe he's
leaving his REIGN OF TERROR anytime soon. Just wait and see.
I believe your right. Third army is the best combat team we have for a large fighting force. They need to be in Afghanistan not home, Some Generals
must be questioning this right now. Hell NATO must be really furious that they are fighting in A-Stan while we are sending a whole brigade home. I
know our troops need a break but the terrorist are not taking one any time soon.
This is scary to think that they economy is about to crumble. Then did you notice how the National Guards WDM teams will be assigned with them?
Bush really has me worried. Especially with the clause in the economic bill that does not allow for congressional or judicial oversight.
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reply posted on 21-9-2008 @ 10:06 PM by cmd18B
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Yes kudos to 3rd ID, They are battle hardened warriors and I see this as well desereved rest, I spent ten years in the military and three tours in
Afghanistan so in my opinion I view this as just a more humanitarian mission for them, I will say that they are not made to fight in Afghanistan,
Afghanistan is a more special operations geared theatre, Some missions include ascending up very high mountain ranges and most of the grunts of 3rd ID
are not up to par with operating in that kind of terrain not to take anything away from those fine warriors but Afghanistan is just not an easy place
to navigate with unforgiveable terrain and harsh weather, Ive seen the natives of Afghanistan and they will come at you in a robe, wearing sandals
toting a Kalishnakov and an RPG strapped to his back..so anyway Kudos to 3rd ID..They need the rest as do all of our people overseas..
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reply posted on 21-9-2008 @ 10:33 PM by bismarcksea
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Originally posted by primamateria
Not being from the USA forgive me if I am incorrect but isn't there a law somewhere that prevents the standing army being deployed in the USA so that
no one political party party could use for it a coup? Isn't that why you have a national guard instead? Can anyone clarify this for me?
You are partially correct. It is for this reason that we are SUPPOSED to have a milita that is on par with the military.
After the 1st Civil War in the US, Militia's where disbanded and branded as un-patriotic in favor of the National Guard. The National Guard is
nothing more than a pool of moderately trained soldiers to be called into Army service at any time.
The Militia is meant to be a regional defence ONLY and never step foot on foreign soil.
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reply posted on 21-9-2008 @ 10:57 PM by EtSolveMundi
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... because foreign soil is the domain of the Army/Marines/Air Force/Navy!
By reading this thread you'd think only 4 people have heard of Posse Comitatus. The exceptions are the National Guard (obviously), troops under
command of the President pursuant to the Insurrection Act (national emergency), and the Attorney General/Secretary of Defense pursuant to 18 U.S.C
Sec. 831 (national emergency). Under the original Posse Comitatus Act of 1878, it was fairly unequivocal: the uniformed armed services could not act
as police or peace officers (maintain law and order) within the nation's borders. "The intent of the act is to prevent the military forces of the
United States from becoming a national police force or guardia civil."
( source)
The two branches of armed services are the Coast Guard and National Guard.
As described very well in the link above, this Act means almost nothing nowadays. Since the article was written, however, it has been further eroded
by JW Defense Act of 2007. Well guess what, the JW Defense Act of 2007 expired as soon we entered fiscal year 2008.
In order for the President to deploy the military within the U.S. borders, the Insurrection Act must be invoked.
If anyone has evidence that states otherwise I'd love to see it!
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reply posted on 21-9-2008 @ 11:06 PM by johnsky
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Originally posted by ModernAcademia
What in the world is happening, does this not look like the precursor to Bush staying in power?
I keep coming across indicators of this, and every time I try to re-assure myself that no-one could be that insane in the modern world... but...
history tells a different story.
It's usually the "best and most trusted" that end up being a dictators personal thug unit. They obey, and get the job done. Exactly what a tyrant
would want to have under his close command if he wanted to enact a martial law status.
And yeah... considering the US's offensive army is being used at home instead of the units who are intended to be used for home defense... this is
looking way too much like the citizens are now considered to be enemies of the state.
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reply posted on 22-9-2008 @ 12:17 AM by asafum
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just throwin in a thought, i havn't read the last 2 pages, and will do so after i get this thought out before i forget just incase it never was
touched on,i saw that no one picked up on what primamateria said before, and to my knowledge we are still in a "state of emergency" from 9/11/01
which allows the government to use the military police and have done so in NYC ever since, i have recently moved from there so i am not 100% sure if
they still do as of a year ago, but i'm sure they still do. Very very scary stuff... i knew as soon as i read for the first time wall street was
having trouble that something is not right... I SOOOOOOOO hope i'm wrong lol 
edit: i also believe the president took advantage and created the patriot act at that same time in order to exponentially increase the amt of power
the govt has over us. They will soon be able to arrest anyone on this website or anywhere in the us who would protest against for "suspicion of
terrorism" or to flat out call you a terrorist...
God, allah, energy, me, everyone, some aliens, or whoever the true superior being turns out to be i hope it has something in store for us to save us
all lol
p.s any suggestions for safe countrys to move to away from the US that isn't in its sphere of influence? i guess that could only be space...wakka
wakka wakka... :/
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reply posted on 22-9-2008 @ 03:21 AM by toepick
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I don't fear the US military on home soil at all, in fact I welcome it..because if TPB thinks that US solders are going to do anything against their
own people they will be in for a very big shock.
Living close to Fort Drum I work with and know several soldiers...and the interesting thing is, most of them talk about this kind of thing amongst
themselves just like we do here!
So if the poo does hit the fan I'm very secure in knowing which way the regular armies guns will be pointed.
In fact, maybe they do all know something is about to go down, I was encouraged to buy guns and stock up on ammo and given the advice to use stuff
that could take military ammo 
What worries me is when we see UN troops or some other foreign troops bearing some other flag then ours on our soil. That's what I'm looking out
for.
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reply posted on 22-9-2008 @ 05:51 AM by mf_luder
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Thank you - finally.
We're not a bunch of brain washed drones.... believe it or not....
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reply posted on 22-9-2008 @ 07:42 AM by squiz
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Of course, these soldiers may be your friends, neighbors or family even, that is beyond the point. The fact is if the economy does indeed collapse,
which it is destined too eventually, there is a real possibility of violent retaliation from some of the population. A soldier of good standing and
morals would do his duty to protect the rest of the population from the violence.
That is how it would begin. How it would end may be another story.
I wish you all the best America, seriously.
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reply posted on 22-9-2008 @ 12:34 PM by Skelkie3
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...bunch of brainwashed drones...
I hope that, despite my negative comeback to your ' Skippy ' outburst- I don't think people think of ' you ' as brainwashed drones.
I think the US military will go farther than anybody; take more than anybody... before cracking under the pressure.
American people will not start shooting at US soldiers, even in the midst of an unjust ( or false pretense ) ' occupation '. They'll more likely
sell them drugs and drinks and pick their pockets... you know the drill.
However, some people believe that foreigners ( by drawing fire ) in Iraq- are responsible for wrecking whole towns and causing tremendous caualties.
With Americans doing most of the shooting.
The reason I mention it is that there are some truly sick puppies out there, and nobody seems to have a better reason for what they do than...
'they're religious fanatics '.
You probably realize that they don't act like religious nuts at all, with their faces hidden, and their tactics. They act more like Special Ops-
IMO.
I just believe, sir- that military presence on American streets will draw these bastards here... and then the terrors of some of these speculative
posts could begin.
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reply posted on 22-9-2008 @ 01:32 PM by TXMACHINEGUNDLR
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Really? That is funny, since part of my NG unit is attached to the 3rd.....You would think I might have heard something about this. But since it is
pure BS why would I have heard about it. 
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reply posted on 22-9-2008 @ 02:03 PM by titorite
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Originally posted by TXMACHINEGUNDLR
reply to post by ModernAcademia
Really? That is funny, since part of my NG unit is attached to the 3rd.....You would think I might have heard something about this. But since it is
pure BS why would I have heard about it.
You read the source right? armytimes...
Are you sure your in the army?
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reply posted on 22-9-2008 @ 05:02 PM by mf_luder
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I can only hope that it doesn't come to that.
I don't think anyone wants us "deployed" in the streets of our own country. It would be.... weird.
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reply posted on 22-9-2008 @ 06:05 PM by lostbug
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Originally posted by Skelkie3
It was called The Posse Comitatus Act.
Back in the good old days, before 1980, that was somewhat true. Posse Comitatus says, basically, you can't use federal troops to do police functions.
Note that the Guard are not federal troops, they're state troops that can be federalized. However, according to a member of the Judge Advocate
General writing for Homeland Security:
But does the act present a major barrier at the National Command Authority level to use of military forces in the battle against terrorism? The
numerous exceptions and policy shifts carried out over the past 20 years strongly indicate that it does not. Could anyone seriously suggest that it is
appropriate to use the military to interdict drugs and illegal aliens but preclude the military from countering terrorist threats that employ weapons
of mass destruction? For two decades the military has been increasingly used as an auxiliary to civilian law enforcement when the capabilities of the
police have been exceeded. Under both the statutory and constitutional exceptions that have permitted the use of the military in law enforcement since
1980, the president has ample authority to employ the military in homeland defense against the threat of weapons of mass destruction in terrorist
hands.
So if it's okay for the Navy to play in the War against Drugs, it's okay for the Army to put down terrorists on US soil.
But, be aware that: It is illegal for the US to attack a nation that has not attacked it.
It is illegal, currently, because it goes against certain treaties and international law. Many people here will argue about international law
applying, and treaties can be revoked....
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It is illigal in the US to appoint executive officers like the President, except by the popular vote ( tempered perhaps with the ' electoral vote '
).
Not 'tempered perhaps,' but solely based upon the electoral vote. The US is not a direct democracy, it is a representative one. You don't vote for
a President, you vote for people who promise to vote for one-and best of all, in some states, that promise isn't binding. The so-called popular vote
means nothing, legally.
It is illegal in the US to put the best interests of another nation first, or ( I think ) to be a dual citizen.
Dual citizenship is not illegal in the US, so long as you don't join another nation's military, or take a job in the government in a
'decision-making capacity.' And, presumably, in their espionage service.
It's illegal to do half the things our fearless leaders do...
Now, now, that's just inflammatory. If you really feel that's true, it is your right to bring suit against them....
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reply posted on 22-9-2008 @ 07:20 PM by Mercenary2007
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The Patriot Act trumps the Insurrection Act. If Bush wants to send the Army to keep us in line there is NOTHING TO STOP HIM. He can declare a
nation wide order of Martial Law. the constitution will be suspended when he does that then there really isn't anything to stop him.
The moral of the story where there's a will there's a way
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reply posted on 22-9-2008 @ 07:26 PM by Xwino
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Originally posted by mf_luder
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We will not "blindly follow orders" I'm not going to go look at your little links to your little videos and little websites with your
""proof"" that we are all brainwashed - not because I'm "brainwashed", but because GASP! They're all a huge crock of #!!!!
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mf_luder
I have a couple of honest questions, so please don't get your panties in a knot. If you are unwilling to view the links offered, how can you state "
They're all a crock of # !!!! ?
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"If the US Government orders us to police the US - they're in the wrong. If the US Government orders us to help with disasters or terrorist attacks
- they're in the right."
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I find the above statements very confusing. I am sure you are an intelligent fellow.
The definition of the words are intentionally vague and debatable, especially so, if you utilize the governments overly broad definition of the word
' terrorist '
My point is, I do not believe you, or anyone else who would be called upon to perform these tasks would be able to distinguish between "police the
US " and "help with terrorist attacks " That being said; how do you respond to orders, that in your opinion
are the equivalent of Civilian police duties. Do you refuse ? Are you willing to pay that price based on honor ?
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"But it sickens me to no end to see some of the utter crap coming out of people's uneducated mouths on the net today. I begrudgingly accept it,
the drivel that it is. Because I defend your right to say that stuff. So - go ahead.... remain in the dark..... I love the dark..... "
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I obviously don't have a clue about this quote stuff.
Not to get all uppity on you amigo, but you speak as if you are the ONLY fellow who has experienced the wonderful life of military service. Now
correct me if I am wrong, your last line " I love the dark...." Is this just a cute line, or is the intent a tad more sinister?
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reply posted on 22-9-2008 @ 09:44 PM by awakened1
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I was stationed at Ft. Drum, got out in 99.
There were martial law exercises back then, and training was at Mount City ( a full city Block area in the middle of the woods with buildings and all
used for urban combat training)
Pretty sure there is one of those famed FEMA camps up that way as well, I know there is in Scotia, NY off route 5
Anyways, This Govt and the Central bankers are NOT "our" Govt. They are corrupt and souless men with 1 goal in mind. And they are destroying the
Constitution and Economy by design.
I hope the active troops today would say no if Martial Law is implemented, which it will be sometime in the next few years at the most.
I know what Side I will be on
Peace
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reply posted on 23-9-2008 @ 09:46 AM by emsed1
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I think we may have seen the last of Posse Comitatus. Whether real or a myth it has slowly been eroded to the point that we can just expect that
troops can be used for law enforcement:
Whenever the President considers that unlawful obstructions, combinations, or assemblages, or rebellion against the authority of the United States,
make it impracticable to enforce the laws of the United States in any State by the ordinary course of judicial proceedings, he may call into Federal
service such of the militia of any State, and use such of the armed forces, as he considers necessary to enforce those laws or to suppress the
rebellion.
10 USC, Section 332
10 USC
and Section 333 is even scarier:
Section 333
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