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reply posted on 21-9-2008 @ 10:06 PM by cmd18B
reply to post by Sky watcher



Yes kudos to 3rd ID, They are battle hardened warriors and I see this as well desereved rest, I spent ten years in the military and three tours in Afghanistan so in my opinion I view this as just a more humanitarian mission for them, I will say that they are not made to fight in Afghanistan, Afghanistan is a more special operations geared theatre, Some missions include ascending up very high mountain ranges and most of the grunts of 3rd ID are not up to par with operating in that kind of terrain not to take anything away from those fine warriors but Afghanistan is just not an easy place to navigate with unforgiveable terrain and harsh weather, Ive seen the natives of Afghanistan and they will come at you in a robe, wearing sandals toting a Kalishnakov and an RPG strapped to his back..so anyway Kudos to 3rd ID..They need the rest as do all of our people overseas..


reply posted on 21-9-2008 @ 10:57 PM by EtSolveMundi
reply to post by bismarcksea



... because foreign soil is the domain of the Army/Marines/Air Force/Navy!

By reading this thread you'd think only 4 people have heard of Posse Comitatus. The exceptions are the National Guard (obviously), troops under command of the President pursuant to the Insurrection Act (national emergency), and the Attorney General/Secretary of Defense pursuant to 18 U.S.C Sec. 831 (national emergency). Under the original Posse Comitatus Act of 1878, it was fairly unequivocal: the uniformed armed services could not act as police or peace officers (maintain law and order) within the nation's borders. "The intent of the act is to prevent the military forces of the United States from becoming a national police force or guardia civil." (source)
The two branches of armed services are the Coast Guard and National Guard.

As described very well in the link above, this Act means almost nothing nowadays. Since the article was written, however, it has been further eroded by JW Defense Act of 2007. Well guess what, the JW Defense Act of 2007 expired as soon we entered fiscal year 2008.

In order for the President to deploy the military within the U.S. borders, the Insurrection Act must be invoked.

If anyone has evidence that states otherwise I'd love to see it!


reply posted on 22-9-2008 @ 05:51 AM by mf_luder
reply to post by toepick



Thank you - finally.

We're not a bunch of brain washed drones.... believe it or not....





reply posted on 22-9-2008 @ 12:34 PM by Skelkie3
reply to post by mf_luder



...bunch of brainwashed drones...

I hope that, despite my negative comeback to your ' Skippy ' outburst- I don't think people think of ' you ' as brainwashed drones.

I think the US military will go farther than anybody; take more than anybody... before cracking under the pressure.

American people will not start shooting at US soldiers, even in the midst of an unjust ( or false pretense ) ' occupation '. They'll more likely sell them drugs and drinks and pick their pockets... you know the drill.

However, some people believe that foreigners ( by drawing fire ) in Iraq- are responsible for wrecking whole towns and causing tremendous caualties. With Americans doing most of the shooting.
The reason I mention it is that there are some truly sick puppies out there, and nobody seems to have a better reason for what they do than... 'they're religious fanatics '.

You probably realize that they don't act like religious nuts at all, with their faces hidden, and their tactics. They act more like Special Ops- IMO.

I just believe, sir- that military presence on American streets will draw these bastards here... and then the terrors of some of these speculative posts could begin.


reply posted on 22-9-2008 @ 01:32 PM by TXMACHINEGUNDLR
reply to post by ModernAcademia



Really? That is funny, since part of my NG unit is attached to the 3rd.....You would think I might have heard something about this. But since it is pure BS why would I have heard about it.


reply posted on 22-9-2008 @ 02:03 PM by titorite
Originally posted by TXMACHINEGUNDLR
reply to
post by ModernAcademia



Really? That is funny, since part of my NG unit is attached to the 3rd.....You would think I might have heard something about this. But since it is pure BS why would I have heard about it.


You read the source right? armytimes...

Are you sure your in the army?


reply posted on 22-9-2008 @ 05:02 PM by mf_luder
reply to post by Skelkie3



I can only hope that it doesn't come to that.

I don't think anyone wants us "deployed" in the streets of our own country. It would be.... weird.


reply posted on 22-9-2008 @ 06:05 PM by lostbug
Originally posted by Skelkie3

It was called The Posse Comitatus Act.


Back in the good old days, before 1980, that was somewhat true. Posse Comitatus says, basically, you can't use federal troops to do police functions. Note that the Guard are not federal troops, they're state troops that can be federalized. However, according to a member of the Judge Advocate General writing for
Homeland Security:


But does the act present a major barrier at the National Command Authority level to use of military forces in the battle against terrorism? The numerous exceptions and policy shifts carried out over the past 20 years strongly indicate that it does not. Could anyone seriously suggest that it is appropriate to use the military to interdict drugs and illegal aliens but preclude the military from countering terrorist threats that employ weapons of mass destruction? For two decades the military has been increasingly used as an auxiliary to civilian law enforcement when the capabilities of the police have been exceeded. Under both the statutory and constitutional exceptions that have permitted the use of the military in law enforcement since 1980, the president has ample authority to employ the military in homeland defense against the threat of weapons of mass destruction in terrorist hands.


So if it's okay for the Navy to play in the War against Drugs, it's okay for the Army to put down terrorists on US soil.


But, be aware that: It is illegal for the US to attack a nation that has not attacked it.


It is illegal, currently, because it goes against certain treaties and international law. Many people here will argue about international law applying, and treaties can be revoked....

[quote
It is illigal in the US to appoint executive officers like the President, except by the popular vote ( tempered perhaps with the ' electoral vote ' ).

Not 'tempered perhaps,' but solely based upon the electoral vote. The US is not a direct democracy, it is a representative one. You don't vote for a President, you vote for people who promise to vote for one-and best of all, in some states, that promise isn't binding. The so-called popular vote means nothing, legally.

It is illegal in the US to put the best interests of another nation first, or ( I think ) to be a dual citizen.


Dual citizenship is not illegal in the US, so long as you don't join another nation's military, or take a job in the government in a 'decision-making capacity.' And, presumably, in their espionage service.

It's illegal to do half the things our fearless leaders do...


Now, now, that's just inflammatory. If you really feel that's true, it is your right to bring suit against them....

[edit on 22-9-2008 by lostbug]


reply posted on 22-9-2008 @ 07:20 PM by Mercenary2007
reply to post by EtSolveMundi



The Patriot Act trumps the Insurrection Act. If Bush wants to send the Army to keep us in line there is NOTHING TO STOP HIM. He can declare a nation wide order of Martial Law. the constitution will be suspended when he does that then there really isn't anything to stop him.

The moral of the story where there's a will there's a way



reply posted on 22-9-2008 @ 07:26 PM by Xwino
Originally posted by mf_luder
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We will not "blindly follow orders" I'm not going to go look at your little links to your little videos and little websites with your ""proof"" that we are all brainwashed - not because I'm "brainwashed", but because GASP! They're all a huge crock of #!!!!
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mf_luder
I have a couple of honest questions, so please don't get your panties in a knot. If you are unwilling to view the links offered, how can you state " They're all a crock of # !!!! ?
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"If the US Government orders us to police the US - they're in the wrong. If the US Government orders us to help with disasters or terrorist attacks - they're in the right."
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I find the above statements very confusing. I am sure you are an intelligent fellow.
The definition of the words are intentionally vague and debatable, especially so, if you utilize the governments overly broad definition of the word ' terrorist '
My point is, I do not believe you, or anyone else who would be called upon to perform these tasks would be able to distinguish between "police the US " and "help with terrorist attacks " That being said; how do you respond to orders, that in your opinion
are the equivalent of Civilian police duties. Do you refuse ? Are you willing to pay that price based on honor ?
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"But it sickens me to no end to see some of the utter crap coming out of people's uneducated mouths on the net today. I begrudgingly accept it, the drivel that it is. Because I defend your right to say that stuff. So - go ahead.... remain in the dark..... I love the dark..... "

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I obviously don't have a clue about this quote stuff.

Not to get all uppity on you amigo, but you speak as if you are the ONLY fellow who has experienced the wonderful life of military service. Now correct me if I am wrong, your last line " I love the dark...." Is this just a cute line, or is the intent a tad more sinister?
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