Brigade homeland tours start Oct. 1

We are not a 3rd world country. Our local police can protect us fine, FEMA cannot do it jobs effectively, they botched how many disasters? Disband FEMA, free up the tax dollars, let the States keep it and train and prepare on their own, who knows the areas and potential disasters better than the locals? Who will get there faster? We forget what kind of nation we are. not a Democracy but a Republic, read the US Constitution. The 10th Amendment:
"The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people. "
This goes fore the Department of Education, etc. We are not supposed to be a "centralized" Government. This was done for a reason. The Constitution was written to restrain the Government not the people. Go read the Declaration of Independence and tell me how many areas apply to today as well as the 10 plank of Communism:
1. Abolition of property in land and application of all rents of land to public purposes.
2. A heavy progressive or graduated income tax.
3. Abolition of all right of inheritance.
4. Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and rebels.
5. Centralization of credit in the hands of the State, by means of a national bank with State capital and an exclusive monopoly.
6. Centralization of the means of communication and transport in the hands of the State.
7. Extension of factories and instruments of production owned by the State; the bringing into cultivation of waste-lands, and the improvement of the soil generally in accordance with a common plan.
8. Equal liability of all to labor. Establishment of industrial armies, especially for agriculture.
9. Combination of agriculture with manufacturing industries; gradual abolition of the distinction between town and country, by a more equable distribution of the population over the country.
10. Free education for all children in public schools. Abolition of children's factory labour in its present form. Combination of education with industrial production, &c., &c.[4]

How many of these have popped up in America in just the last century? The Federal Reserve is illegal under the U.S. Constitution but most Americans think it is part of the US Government. No one can tell the fed what to do. Go listen to Kennedy's speech, was he crazy?
www.youtube.com...
This is going to be trying time for America and we need to decide if we are a free people or we want to be a socialist state. Read the Business Plot,
en.wikipedia.org...
Bush grandfather part of a coup to overthrow the US Government and install a fascist dictatorship. One American stopped this. The same grandfather also bankrolled the Nazi's and made their fortune off them. Google it and you will get the BBC. USS Liberty, Operation Northwoods, Operation Able Danger, Cheney wanting to paint boats to look like Iran and start a war, spraying the public with chemicals and playing on the history channel. How many more lies and kids have to die, we are a great nation ,we are just lied to.

oh yeah... sure.. ok... our militairy cant wait to send our soldiers into our cities and round up there brother and sisters.. moms and dads.. aunts and uncles.. cousins.. friends.. neighbors.. they know our soldiers dont care about there friends neighbors and family.. and will blindly rush in and round them up.. shoot em.. beat em.. whatever it takes.. because our soldiers are like mind numb robots,, and will do whatever there told.. yeah.. sure. .ok.. you betcha..

I did not say that but a lot of the them will follow orders. Go watch this and then tell me they would not do it, that is not the question.
video.google.com...
I do not know what is happening or will hapeen, have you read REX-84 "Rex 84, short for Readiness Exercise 1984, was a plan by the United States federal government to test their ability to detain large numbers of American citizens in case of civil unrest or national emergency." en.wikipedia.org...

Haliburton built camps all over the country, this was in the mainstram news, so it is not some alien conspiracy. "Attorney General John Ashcroft's announced desire for camps for U.S. citizens he deems to be 'enemy combatants' has moved him from merely being a political embarrassment to being a constitutional menace." Actually, ever since General Ashcroft pushed the U.S. Patriot Act through an overwhelmingly supine Congress soon after September 11, he has subverted more elements of the Bill of Rights than any attorney general in American history.

"Let me state for the record that FEMA is moving ahead with plans to create temporary cities that could handle millions of Americans after mass destruction attacks on U.S. cities."
archive.newsmax.com...

Federal Government Taking Bids On Construction Of Internment Camps
www.infowars.com...

I do not think any American would want to round up Americans, however, we have been training alot of foreign troops to do it and Blackwater and the other contractors will not have so much of a n issue.

reply to post by primamateria


The Posse Comitatus Act. Forbids the Use of active duty military inside the borders of the US.

However in 2005 right after Hurricane Katrina The Bush Administration made this act go away so there is nothing stopping him from using the military against the citizens of the U.S.

It's kinda ironic when you join the military you take an oath to defend the U.S. from all enemies both foreign and domestic. Seems Bush and the powers inthe shadows are the true enemies here but the average citizen will have the military used against us to keep us in line.

The future of the Posse Comitatus Act has been in doubt for quite some time. the article cited by the original post that started this thread indicates that the military expects future problems at home.

They may be called upon to help with civil unrest and crowd control or to deal with potentially horrific scenarios such as massive poisoning and chaos in response to a chemical, biological, radiological, nuclear or high-yield explosive, or CBRNE, attack.

In the future, we should expect more BCRT's to train for action on U.S. soil. Trans-national terror threats make this a necessity, from he standpoint of national security. It's also worth noting that increased counter-insurgency capability here in the States will only hasten the demise of the American militia.

reply to post by drew1503


In the evening of the day that Martin Luther King was assassinated the Marine training platoon I was in was told that we may be ordered to L.A. if there was rioting. We were also asked if any of us would have any hesitation to shoot to kill citizens if so ordered. All of us 18 year old recruits answered no. I hate to think that we were that brainwashed and it scares me now when I think about what people that have already been exposed to combat are capable of doing.

Originally posted by Skelkie3
reply to post by primamateria

 

There is a law that ( unless it's been changed or overturned ) makes it very difficult if not impossible to deploy the military in the United States against the people, ' unruly ' or otherwise.
It was called The Posse Comitatus Act.

But this was effectively gutted with the Military Commissions Act. That allows Bush to use full military on US soil & take command of all of the State Militias & National Guard.

Well, as the Hebrews used to say a lot whenever they had to resist persecution, "Head to the hills!"

Tell me this doesnt coincide with our little BAILOUT program, and for Pete's sakes, how much more obvious could it get?????


What are we, stupid? real stupid???
Evidently.

I've had it- this is the climax of the BUSH ADMINISTRATION. This is what is being dished out, although i must say, in no way do i beleive he's leaving his REIGN OF TERROR anytime soon. Just wait and see.

reply to post by dgtempe

Yes dg, we are so stupid. Things to seem to pointing toward an act of martial law, a war and another term in office for the Bushco dynasty. Do you own bullet proof underwear?

There's debate on how the troops will act, if ( for example ) they find themselves patrolling possibly hostile American cities.
They will act as have many other armies before them: they will likely blast away when they are attacked first. At first.
They will make deals with local leaders and gangsters to ensure the relative calm in certain areas.
Eventually, they will face an insurgency that is truly hellish by any standard.
They will die one by one and expect more and more useless replacements...
In other words, I think they ( the military ) will behave as best they can for far longer than most countries' troops would. Many might off themselves or their officers before going over the line. Many will desert, God help them.
But, their situation would likely be far more dangerous than, for example, Iraq- at some point, even these mostly excellent young people will be doing whatever the strongest guy tells them to. That could be bad.
Well, I will hope for the best.

Just try not to get killed in a civil war or permanent insurgency, because of the shame of knowing that the same people are creating and backing all sides- including yours.

I am fairly certain I will be put upon for saying this, but if American soldiers are so STUPID they are willing to follow the goals stated in the Army Times, they deserve to be shot. That entire piece flies in the face of all that was once a semi-noble cause. As a former combat pilot ,I understand orders ,I don't understand blind obedience. This BS does not bode well for our country. The mere utterance of the word ' Homeland ' makes me livid. This is the Uniter States of America. Any Officer that uses the ' H' word needs a boot up his ass. I know that was off topic and I apologize.

reply to post by Mercenary2007


please research the role of US army troops during the huricaine andrew aftermath

its nothing new , or sinister

Unrest? How much civil unrest were there during the great depression?

This army can easily be for that, looters will be incarcerated, money will be stolen from people...... hello RFID!

reply to post by ignorant_ape


I know its nothing new. but right after Andrew Congress had to approve it. Now after Katrina they do not. the president may use the military how ever he sees fit inside the U.S.

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What ever happened to the military code that soldiers were not bound to follow unjust or immoral orders? as using the military against u.s. citizens is both unjust and immoral.

Personally i think at first most of the troops would try to protect life and property then realize that That they are fighting their brothers and then help us fight the government.

reply to post by Xwino


Agreed!!!! As another former mil aviator, there is a huge diff between duty and insanity.....However, my concern is 2 things:

1: We are under a declared national emergency that has not been rescinded
2: Are we sure that the basic ground soldier of this era is not more likely to blindly obey orders than the previous generations?

reply to post by Mercenary2007


Exactly, Merc....there is now no legal method to prevent use of the US military within the CONUS, for ANY reason!!

reply to post by drew1503


Alright skippy, let me explain some things to you.

To start off, I AM a soldier and have been one for seven years.

We will not "blindly follow orders" I'm not going to go look at your little links to your little videos and little websites with your ""proof"" that we are all brainwashed - not because I'm "brainwashed", but because GASP! They're all a huge crock of #!!!!

I've said it numerous times on this site and I'll say it again, but I fear it falls upon deaf ears. We are not your enemy. The people in the military are people, just like you. I don't care if you are scared of what you don't understand, fearing the "big bad Army or Marines" oooooohhh, and the "war crimes" whatever brother. You have no clue about what we do, who we are. Stop spreading your little fear-mongering across message boards.

If the US Government orders us to police the US - they're in the wrong. If the US Government orders us to help with disasters or terrorist attacks - they're in the right. A previous poster failed to mention that not only is our job to "close with and destroy the enemies of the US" - but also to support and defend the constitution of the US from all enemies both foreign and domestic. If for some reason you're so scared that you think you're an enemy I'm really sorry for you and truth be told, it's people like that who are going to be the ones who get themselves in trouble or killed by doing something outrageously stupid like trying to take a soldier's weapon or trying to break laws if there's an emergency.

I'm not a huge fan of politics - it is not my forte. But it sickens me to no end to see some of the utter crap coming out of people's uneducated mouths on the net today. I begrudgingly accept it, the drivel that it is. Because I defend your right to say that stuff. So - go ahead.... remain in the dark..... I love the dark.....

reply to post by ignorant_ape


Interesting that hurricane Andrew is mentioned- I was there in South Miami from two days before, until five days after.

I dealt with armed troops three times.
1. On the bridge to the keys, I was turned back by them, but- only after informing me that my Father in Law had taken his boat out. I was stupidly thinking I would rescue the old man... but, it was he who would rescue me. These troops were freindly and I'm sure would have tried to help me out.
2.Some guys at a roadblock allowed my girlfreind and I to go out to Key Biscayne- after I bluffed them about having property there. They too were nice .
3.Wait 'till you have the experience of waiting in line for hours, just to get your turn to go in the grocery store and get bottled water and stuff. An armed soldier escorted me literally down each isle...
Mostly, I saw the troops making sure that black folks didn't get into white neighborhoods. Sorry, but that's the truth of what I saw on the ground there. I guess I could say that they ( the troops ) were helpful to me.

This sort of scenario ( a helpful bunch of fellas ) isn't what we're all really talking about, though- is it ?

Everything's somewhat OK, until somebody uses your neighborhood for a morter- launching site... or, your roof for a sniping base. Then nobody will be so helpful and everything will change into hell.

We better hope that the foriegners are used mostly on the borders, if at all.
Sorry for the doom and gloom, but- every one of these guys making their deployment knows that this is wrong and dangerous. They will follow orders, nonetheless.
Knowingly accepting these kinds of orders ( by the brass, that is ) without reservations is troubling for us all.

reply to post by mf_luder


Ah, Skippy, skippy indeed.

So a little intel on what to expect during such an emergency deployment , is that what your post is ?

The people who your boys kill will all be ' stupid '. I'm sure they will all have ' deserved it '.

Paul Revere was stupid, you know.
Patrick Henry ( ' Give me liberty or... ' ) deserved it.

You know that nobody here is talking about normal times or normal TDY's.

If you're here to help out you can expect coffee, donut's or a cold beer from me, for one.

But, that's not really what we're talking about.

Just a heads up, If that is true then wow..The 3rd ID is a mechanized division and is based in Georgia, Ft Stewart is the home of the 3rd ID with other componets based at Ft Benning...Third ID is a battle hardened division and have seen much action, especially in 2003 in Iraq(Thunder Run)..Very interesting