Man calls todays stock market crash to the date, on a message board? must read.

reply to post by Mr Headshot


They were the one's to break this story of last year's August puts (if you recall)

www.tickerforum.org...

Their forum moderator/owner, Genesis, is a bit of a control-freak and can freak out from time to time.

It is a good forum to visit to see what people in the know are talking about. There is doom and gloom there.

For the record, I already got all my Federal Reserve Notes out of my bank.

Dominoes. This is all day to day now. By next week, maybe, panic in the streets. I will be ready. I am ready to head for the mountains.

reply to post by aravoth


This would tie back into The energy non-crisis, he mentions a treaty (Henrey Kissinger?) took to the middle east to get arab countries to note oil in dollars in exchange for making said countries wealthy. Supposedly Iran, and Iraq were two of the countries not to sign this. I couldn't ever find what treaty he was talking about though.

reply to post by pluckynoonez


Dude, I've had a plan for something like this since 10th grade. I'm still ready for it.

I didn't want to pull my assets out all at once, fearing it would only help to exaccerbate the problem. That is how the great depression hit.

Like I said earlier, 4 miles away from the oldest mountain range in the US =)

reply to post by aravoth


It seems you can see down the road a bit, but my concern w/ your default situation is that...

1- the IMF already runs the Fed and owns the IRS and US Tres. as of 1938, the first time most of us know that " THESE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA" went bankrupt and became the power corporation known as " THE UNITED STATES".

2- There is no chance in hell we can settle our national debt. We were designed to fail financially, and like you said w/ BoA taking up so much debt upon debt it too can only fail, but who would bail them out? Not the IMF!!!! Hello 1920's!

It also seems thing have come full circle.... the serpent does eat his tail.

Originally posted by whiteraven
How do you see this playing out?

I see financial restructring of Earth happening, after a war of some kind. The best monetary shifts happen after wars. Research the IMF for more information. After that, life will be easier, but different. I'd say you should read more Heinlein (particularly his great novel "Friday") and see what concepts in there you can get your mind around. The world feeling of change will accelerate, so get ready to fight more with spouses, feel more isolated emotionally, etc, etc.

Forget about money or property. Those who are geared toward survival will provide for themselves and those with a alignment toward good nature, will stock a bit more for orphans and the elderly. A lot of them will need help.

The very shock and awe of economic collapse will allow or could allow a "Hitler" like figure to gain power in the US.

The larger question I have for you is this: Did World War II end? Didn't Dur-Furer write a second "Mein Kampf" in which America would be the target? Didn't we absorb at least half of the Nazi smart-guys-we-shouldnt-kill group of persons? Didn't Russia get the other half?

If the US economic situation goes into freefall what will Russia do?

Russia, russia, russia. Everybody worried about them. Look, I assure you this: Nobody needs to worry about the Russians because they basically live on the top of the mountain, of Earth. Anybody who wants to kill them has to go to that mountain, or bombard it such that the whole of Earth will be useless. ...Now then, what most people do not know is that Russia is built by Wall Street. The revolution was funded by agents of the same money-issuing powers in Germany. Do you think guys like Marx and Trotsky just sorta come together? No, it is through funding, just as even now there are US/NationalSocialist jingoists here, talking up the same Anti-Commie rhetoric that the Nazi's INVENTED! But the US peoplez do not know that all their drugs and stuff was all inveted by the Germans! So isn't it natural that the Brave New World would be a sort of "ReBirth" of what Hitler and his Generals and Papal Occultists began? Why of COURSE it should, and will.

So all the talk about Russia is lacking the proper context which is that prior to the death of their King (That's the Czar and all his family which the Wall Street Je$uit Crew killed via their agent the satanic occultist Rasputin)... So imagine a people who are herders and country people, and their king is dead, and then the Red Army roills into town. Russians have been PUNCH DRUNK since the turn of the 20th centruy and who can blame them? They got ambushed by the same people that ambushed the natives of THIS continent where I reside, that is to say, America.

In many ways, the Russian people are like the Celt and the Nordic and the Tibetan and the native peoples of all places on Earth --They have been idealogically and psychologically ambushed. So stop saying Russians are all bad, because the worst ills these days are perpetuated by the crew of Bonesman who hijacked this great country.

Anyway, your question is good. I ranted a bit. Russia will be a powerful force for good in the future, as will the individual COUNTY BODIES within the United States. Some COUNTIES in the US will be nicer than others, and some COUNTIES will band together with other COUNTIES to provide defense/attack/raiding parties and also to provide liquidity to local banks.

You can forget any global monetary scheme for a while, cause this one's going out and the new one can't be introduced till everyone's good and traumatized!

Or will the economic situation cause a world wide conflict?

The man of the future will not even know the war is being fought. A radio controlled plane will drop a leaflet into his front yard which tells him that Russia won WW3. He'll have to talk to his neighbors to find out if it's true --a thing he is loathe to do, even now.

smallpeeps

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Hell of a read.

Hell of a read...

In fact, Besides the book I'm reading, "Bang Your Head", by David Konow, my 3rd favorite read this year, and in second place, the recent and multi starred Untersberg Mountain thread, including the external link on page 2 to a short story about Floyd's Tomb,

This thread is now my #1 choice for best read so far this year.

Although I doubt I will personally research the accuracy of timelines and info, I would be hard pressed to pass any judgement if only for the fact of the July posting of the exact date this month.

I wonder what the detailed version would include, content wise.

www.bloomberg.com...

Treasury 3-Month Bill Rates Drop to Lowest Since at Least 1954

Sept. 17 (Bloomberg) -- U.S. Treasury three-month bill rates dropped to the lowest since at least 1954 as a loss of confidence in credit markets worldwide prompted investors to abandon higher-yielding assets for the safety of the shortest- term government securities.

Posted this on reddit:

www.reddit.com...

He responded to my email to come visit us here! And he says he will!
Hopfully this will shed some more light on all of this madness!

reply to post by coop039


Yeah same here.

hope he does not mind we spent the last 9 pages trying to figure out who he is, that has got be a little weird or incredibly funny. Lets show this guy the finer side of ATS and welcome him/her with diligent research and open conversation/discussion and also lets see how far we can take it many facets to this thread maybe reinhardt could help us be more focused.

That's it. We need to really begin preparations for this event. Everyone yelling 'run to the hills!' are cowards too, and are not part of the solution. Ron Paul already spoke of a major event that is about to occur in our country. There's no doubt in my mind this is what he spoke of.

One thing we are lucky to have that our ancestors did not during the Great Depression is the ability to instantly communicate anywhere in the world. No one then was able to investigate what was really going on back then, but look at all the information drug up in this thread already! We have the tools to stop this vicious cycle from repeating itself.

I think its time to start to organize. Alone we are nothing, and of no dangers to our government. But together? One voice united to end the suffering once and for all.

We are on the brink of a new cultural age never before seen on our planet. Its clear to me that the old way of governing the people has outlived its expiration date and has no place in the new world we must create to continue to strive.

Its finally so clear to me. Those in power knew that oil was going to dry up eventually, and they had no plans of searching for alternative fuels. All of this bunk about alternative fuels now is just a cop-out. TPTB are not willing to give up their power and wealth, and decided LONG AGO to just consolidate their resources and make the common man pay for their pleasures. No more. It stops now.

This is huge, my friends. Truly epic. Maybe I'm talking REVOLUTION, maybe I'm not. What no one should deny any longer is that we are ALL IN THIS TOGETHER and we must work together to overcome this. Who's with me?

Absolute top notch conspiracy - agree best by far this year.

The icing on the cake was the fact that he was barred at the end of the blogg. We would welcome him onto this site with open arms

reply to post by Young minded old soul


Actually, it was an indirect way of saying your assertion was full of hot air.

I would have asked you to substantiate your claim, which is the more sporting thing to do, but you had already precluded that by your "I am not doing your homework for you" statement.

In my humble opinion, both the assertion that the Pope controls the laws of the US, and your tactic of making claims as statements of fact without any sort of support is utter crap.

reply to post by Illusionsaregrander


The post above contains the link to the Timewave thread in which the author of the thread was predicting an economic collapse in Sept 2008.

It does NOT link it specifically to actions of the Catholic church, however, the OP just saw the correlation between major events in the Timewave itself, and pieced it together with other warnings about the market to come to the conclusion that it would likely be an economic event.

Originally posted by Illusionsaregrander

In my humble opinion, both the assertion that the Pope controls the laws of the US, and your tactic of making claims as statements of fact without any sort of support is utter crap.

I could not agree more and would add that much too much of that kind of thing goes on here. Posters present outlandish claims as facts without ever bothering to provide supporting evidence. How can you have a reasonable discussion in such an environment?

As for the Pope controlling the laws of the US, anyone who knows even a little about the American Catholic Church's relationship with the Vatican (never mind the Vatican's relationship with the the US GOVT) would understand that there is simply no possible way one could make that case.

This is what I found on Wikipedia by typing in Legatus its a funny name to have for a faith that believes in Jesus Christ. The Devil is a Great Deciever.

A legatus (often anglicized as legate) was a general in the Roman army, equivalent to a modern general officer. Being of senatorial rank, his immediate superior was the dux, and he outranked all military tribunes. In order to command an army independently of the dux or provincial governor, legates were required to be of praetorian rank or higher; a legate could be invested with propraetorian imperium (legatus propraetore) in his own right. Legates received large shares of the army's booty at the end of a campaign, which made the position a lucrative one, so it could often attract even distinguished consulars (e.g., the consular Lucius Julius Caesar volunteered late in the Gallic War as a legate under his first cousin once removed, Julius Caesar).

The men who filled the office of Legate were drawn from among the senatorial class of Rome. There were two main positions; the legatus legionis was an ex-praetor given command of one of Rome's elite legions[1], while the legatus propraetor was an ex-consul, who was given the governorship of a Roman province with the magisterial powers of a praetor, which in some cases gave him command of four or more legions.

This rank was also the overall Legionary commander. This post was generally appointed by the emperor. The person chosen for this rank was a former Tribune and held command for 3 or 4 years, although he could serve for a much longer period. In a province with only one legion, the Legatus was also the provincial governor, but in provinces with multiple legions, each legion had a Legatus and the provincial governor (who was separate from the legions) had overall command of them all.


It is this text below that stood out to me after checking the website

www.legatus.org...

Legates received large shares of the army's booty at the end of a campaign, which made the position a lucrative one, so it could often attract even distinguished consulars

What do you think about this ?



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and now a 449 point DOW plunge today. hopefully someone is scouring the internet trying to find out someone that predicted this one.

Originally posted by Illusionsaregrander
I would have asked you to substantiate your claim, which is the more sporting thing to do, but you had already precluded that by your "I am not doing your homework for you" statement.

In my humble opinion, both the assertion that the Pope controls the laws of the US, and your tactic of making claims as statements of fact without any sort of support is utter crap.

Your opinion is not humble, because the humble man is penitant in the face of truth, whereas the liar and deciever are bold and reckless --even divisive and hateful of truth.

Look at your post here for example --totally full of nothing except defense of yourself. Posts like this are endemic throughout ATS and draw things out for page after page.

Why would the Pope need a secret army? Have your read the trial of Mary Surrat and the Papists who killed Abe Licoln? I don't think you'll need to privde any fuel for Pope bashing really, cause the position of Pope, asks for ridicule and contempt. God's legate/channel for holiness?

Anyway, it's always been known that the priest is the collector for the Vatican. I am sure others will provide more proof here, but please try to actually have some CONTENT in your posts, if you want not to look like a time-wasting tool.


The Suppressed Truth about the Assasination of Abraham Lincoln
by Burke McCarty, ex-Romanist
Originally published 1924

www.spirituallysmart.com...



BTW, didn't some visionary Pope early in the last century say that at the end of the Catholic Church, the Pope would abdicate the Vatican and have to walk through all his dead priests to do it? What's funny is that even at that time, there will be sold-souls ready to throw themselves on razor wire for him to flee in such a manner. Power is an object to be worshipped unto itself, by some. Sheer power will cause them to slit their own throats in its presence. Some humans are conditioned for that, I mean.


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Found this article from The Michigan Catholic

source

Legatus today numbers just over 300 members in 12 chapters nationally. There are two local chapters, one based in Detroit and the other in Ann Arbor. "We’re growing way too slowly, gradually," Monaghan said, "I would have hoped we would be a lot larger by now. Critics of Legatus note that because the membership requirements are fairly strict, the pool of potential members is Limited. Only chief executive officers of multi-million dollar companies or huge agencies can join. But, that’s the goal, Monaghan noted. Legatus is for leaders of proven talent and leadership who can turn some of their energy to helping the Church. "When people get turned on to their faith, especially people with assets, talent and control, extraordinary things can happen. It can snowball," he told The Michigan Catholic. "The Church needs lay leaders."

That was in 1994

This is June 1996
source

It was 1987 when Thomas Monaghan—a long-time and widely-recognized advocate of Catholic causes in the business world—received communion from the Holy Father in his papal chapel at the Vatican. Prompted by that meeting, within the year, Monaghan founded Legatus, which is headquartered, like Domino's Pizza, in Ann Arbor, Michigan. Since then, the pope himself has commended the organization and issued a special calling to its members: "The world needs genuine witnesses to Christian ethics in the field of business, and the Church asks you to fulfill this role publicly and with perseverance."

more from the same article...

Now there are fourteen chapters located in places like Cincinnati, Chicago, Orlando, Philadelphia, Houston, and Orange County, California. Several more chapters—in Dallas, Pasadena, and St. Louis—are scheduled to open in the coming year. Legatus Executive Director Jim Berlucchi says the organization is looking to have 2000 companies represented by the year 2000. Right now the count is at 430.

Joining Legatus is no cake walk. Members have to be presidents or CEOs of companies with thirty or more employees, or officers and directors of multimillion dollar businesses. There have been a few critics of the organization's membership requirements, but, according to Monaghan, Legatus was founded specifically to draw from the upper echelons of business leadership.

So from what I can gather they have 4200 members today and are actively growing (An article linked below shows how members get cash bonuses for recruiting). From the articles above and their own site the organization is comprised of only the highest echelon of business, and that their sphere of influence is rather big. Each one of those 4200 members must run a 5 million a year net company or hold some sort of title in the government.

more below on how shady legatus is.

edited to reword last paragraph


I have more to come I found some very interesting stuff.



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Very very interesting read into legatus from a site name www.avewatch.com It apparently is a investigative look into legatus as well as anything to do with Tom Monaghan, the founder of legatus. here are some interesting points although it merits it a full read

source

Individuals connected to Legatus speak indignantly of the treatment of T. McDonald, a Regional Director for Legatus from 2001-2005. McDonald was fired with the consent of Monaghan and the Legatus Board of Governors after calling the management practices of the organization immoral, unethical, and possibly even illegal. Prior to working for Legatus, McDonald served as a lawyer in the Attorney General’s Office, State of Arizona.

n 2002, Richard Copeland was accepted for membership in Legatus by then-Executive Director Stephen Beal. Copeland clearly indicated in the application process that “The sales volume of our firm will not reach $3M until 2003″ and that “We currently have six employees and plan to have no more than seven.” Copeland was aware that he did not meet two of the three criteria, and that he never intended to meet all three criteria. Yet, in April 2002, he was granted membership. Did Tom Monaghan know? Beal was unequivocal about the matter to Legatus employees - Yes. Richard Copeland is but one of many examples that AveWatch can give of current Legatus members who do not meet the organization’s stated criteria. Regional Directors and the Executive Director must try to meet weekly, monthly, or quarterly quotas set by Monaghan. Connected to those weekly, monthly and quarterly quotas are large cash bonuses for signing-up members. Many bonuses appear to have been paid to individuals who neither earned nor deserved them, thanks to Tom Monaghan’s management.

I also found this very interesting...

If you’re prominent enough, Legatus might even pay your membership dues for you. Some individuals admitted into Legatus maintained their membership without having to pay their own dues. Why? To the public, none of Tom Monaghan’s faith-oriented organizations have any inherent reason to be considered as respectable, prominent, or authoritative. To combat this, Monaghan uses the same marketing angle in all of his projects: leech off the respectability and prominence of others while franchising the faith. Dropping big names to prospective (paying) new members may yield dividends well beyond the $2,800/year dues paid to keep a high profile personality on the Legatus books, even if that personality is inactive. That’s marketing, Monaghan style.

The site is ripe full of examples of actual people and seems like it is well researched although he says that the info comes from former employees that are deemed reliable... Avewatch.com needs some more sifting through for now I am gonna take a break my eyes hurt I been reading for hours.