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It matters because these experiments being conducted bring us closer towards understanding the fundamental aspects of what is going on. If we don't determine why the particle takes a certain path over another path (which path), then we'll never understand why it does so. Why does the particle seemingly appear to behave as both a wave and a particle, that is the root issue of the experiment.
This is not true, cause if we don't watch, the particle behaves as a wave.
I'm actually more sure of my case than before
Now think back to the last argument you witnessed or were involved in. Was anyone really wrong?
Originally posted by sirnex
... because each individual brain will inherently perceive and interpret the event differently. This however doesn't change "reality" itself. The sun will still set and interact as it always does regardless of how each of the three individual people perceive and interpret it. Reality isn't what we perceive, the universe doesn't need us to exist. We just exist thanks to the universe existing.
[edit on 17-9-2008 by sirnex]
How the brain interprets signals doesn't make the universe any more or less real or unreal. The universe will still continue to exist and operate as it has done for billions of years with or without an organic electrochemical self-aware brain processing the bits of information it receives through whatever sensor it uses.
Our human brain interprets sugar as being a 'sweet' taste, the so called "sweetness" isn't sweetness in it's own right, it's sweet because we used a developed language to label that sensation/taste as 'sweet'. It has nothing to do with what is real or not.
"the particle alters its own state"
This is often the result of instruments that, by necessity, alter the state of what they measure in some manner.
Yes, I am offensive, or at least can get very offensive in light of stupidity. I hate stupid people.
Trying to stop smoking right now isn't helping matters either, it only compounds to the problem.
I've been trying to explain something to this ... guy ... and he refuses to accept the answers that the scientists themselves came up with. It's not my opinions or views personally, it's the opinions and views of the scientists themselves. He wishes to add human consciousness into the equation and make himself part of the detection process despite the small issue that he never directly detects in a manner that alters.
It matters because these experiments being conducted bring us closer towards understanding the fundamental aspects of what is going on. If we don't determine why the particle takes a certain path over another path (which path), then we'll never understand why it does so.
So, under conditions where the double-slit part of the experiment has been set up to prevent the appearance of interference phenomena (because there is definitive "which path" information present)
Originally posted by AngelaLadyS
Each person has his or her own perception of the world around them. Some people refer to this personal perception a personal or seperate reality, as if it is a subjective thing. I personaly feel that reality is what it is, and that each of us precieves it a bit differently (through different filters via past experience and culter etc.)
A word picture if you will. 3 of us see the sunset. I take notice of the sharp and intence lines and pockets of lite mingled between the colors and around the setting sun. I see a beautiful and intense and dramatic view.
You see the softness of the several colors and notice how they seem to be layered one on another. You see a soft and colorful view.
Joe here sees that the bright orange sun seems huge and low now that it's fall, in his view, the sun is changing.
The reality is the same... the same sunset. Just 3 different people seeing 3 different things.
(Now think back to the last argument you witnessed or were involved in. Was anyone really wrong?
Originally posted by enigmania
reply to post by ElectroMagnetic Multivers
Jeah, I heard about him, he is also a Dutch guy. He's a cardiologist who has lots of experience with near death experiences.
Here's a link to his website.
It is a matter of belief that they will never win.
Your right it does say that there is a definitive(conclusive, unquestionable) 'which path' available. Meaning that it is unquestionably taking one of two possible routes.
The most baffling part of this experiment comes when only one photon at a time is fired at the barrier with both slits open. The pattern of interference remains the same as can be seen if many photons are emitted one at a time and recorded on the same sheet of photographic film. The clear implication is that something with a wavelike nature passes simultaneously through both slits and interferes with itself — even though there is only one photon present. (The experiment works with electrons, atoms, and even some molecules too.)
Originally posted by enigmania
It means that if there is nothing to observe wich slit the particle goes through, the one particle actually goes through both slits and interferes with itself, to create a wave pattern: it is in superposition.
Every possible outcome happens if not observed.