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Ok, so when you are watching a live tv event, you are not actually observing the event that is being filmed.
The fact that I think that consciousness changes the pattern, doesn't mean I 've got that mixed up with the observer effect, or that I think it is the same thing.
Nowhere in that text does it say that particle entanglement is responsible for changing the pattern. They use particle entanglement as a means to erase the info.
The erasing of the info changes the pattern.
No, actually you are interpreting it wrong.
I think your failing to understand something here or simply just refusing. Quote from the text where it says this.
What you see, you only see after the detection has taken place.
Uh.. Our human eyes perceive the world as being solid, except for air ofcourse which we do see as empty. I'm talking at a fundamental level here.
First: you seem to think that light switches between being a particle and being a wave - now this, now that. You are incorrect. Light is both a particle - a photon, or quantum of electromagnetic energy - and a wave - a propagating disturbance in an electromagnetic field. What you take it to be - particle or wave - depends on what you use to detect it.
you cannot control the experiment to produce a specified outcome, nor can you predict what the outcome will be, in advance, simply by willing it
For heaven's sake, you're observing any number of photons swarming out of your computer screen even as you read this.
Originally posted by ElectroMagnetic Multivers
"Do we hear sounds the same? taste the same tastes? see the same colours? I think not."
Generally yes. These perceptions are standardized through shared DNA. How we react to the perceptions is where the variation and difference is (conciousness).
Now you getting it, we don't know, therefore, we can't say it's wrong or right, only possible.
Originally posted by sirnex
reply to post by enigmania
Damn your denser than lead boy.
It is not YOU doing the observing, it is the instruments themselves. Your looking at the outcome of the observation as it is done through the instruments, YOU never DIRECTLY OBSERVED nor DIRECTLY CHANGED the physical properties of the electron. The entire time you used INSTRUMENTS.
Gee golly and what do you know, the observer effect talks about just that!
No, your also misusing the observer effect. So, who kept this "Matrix movie" going for 13.8 billion years before man evolved? Or is the universe now so inherently complicated that it was created just this second?
Hell, let's just roll with that one. Our universe was created right now, this very second. Everything popped into existence just as it is, with a predefined past and all. Prove it wrong.
How does that happen?
Experimenters do so by manipulating the entangled photon, and they can do so before or after its partner has entered or after it has exited the double-slits and other elements of experimental apparatus between the photon emitter and the detection screen.
In doing so, the experimenter restores interference without altering the double-slit part of the experimental apparatus.
You quote where it says that particle entanglement is responsible for changing the pattern.
Yes but if the info of the detection is erased, the particle reacts as if there were no detector at all, how do you explain that?
You are right, my claims are not to be found directly in those texts, but neither are yours.
Yes but those are not single photons, and there is no point where the photon has to make a choice wich path to go.
I'm not saying I control the particle, I'm just making it impossible to go through both slits if I'm watching.
This has nothing to do with entanglement cause this happens to the photon that enters the DS setup, the entangled partner never enters and is only manipulated to release the info of the DS-partners detection.
Ever ask someone can they smell that smell, and they say, yea..and then say a completely different smell? Who's right? neither of you, IMO.
the particle alters its own state
This is often the result of instruments that, by necessity, alter the state of what they measure in some manner.
Sirnex, you are unbelievably offensive, it doesn't matter if people don't agree with you, at least debate with respect.
So, reality can be considered to be an illusion because everything that you experience is subjective.
Reality is subjective to the observer.
The quantum eraser experiment is a double-slit experiment in which particle entanglement and selective polarization is used to determine which slit a particle goes through by measuring the particle's entangled partner.
The advantage of manipulating the entangled partners of the photons in the double-slit part of the experimental apparatus is that experimenters can destroy or restore the interference pattern in the latter without changing anything in that part of the apparatus. Experimenters do so by manipulating the entangled photon, and they can do so before or after its partner has entered or after it has exited the double-slits and other elements of experimental apparatus between the photon emitter and the detection screen.
can destroy or restore the interference pattern
by manipulating the entangled photon
They manipulate the entangled partner in order to know wich slit the partner in the DS-setup went through, and when they do so, then the wave function/pattern collapses.
but Wik puts it in a way so that it doesn't seem remarkable to people like you