The speech that Obama has just delivered can only be ranked as a MASTER PIECE. If he can walk the walk, we shall see in the debates. I think he still needs to explain, and demonstrate, where the money for all those projects is going to come from.

Tonight, however, is not about that. It was about a candidate that demonstrated is willingness to come out punching, when necessary. It was about a United Party, that will fight for it's candidate. It was, finally, about explaining the meaning of the slogans, CHANGE, YES WE CAN etc.
It was also about telling the American people, and the word, that Washington "politics as usual" will have no place on this ticket. Let us hope that the practice will live up to the promise.

I started out as a Rudy Giuliani supporter, then jumped onto McCain's ship, or should I say plane, after Rudy conceded, in Florida. I am still firmly on the McCain ticket, but tonight I have seen, for the first time, that there is another option out there.
If I where to become a citizen of the USA, which I have no intention of doing, I would be bitting my nails until the GOP convention. I would be thinking, to myself, that either McCain chooses a good running mate or he loses, either he kicks the party in the balls, and sends all those inbred rednecks, that have hijacked the party for the past 8 years, and sends them packing to where they belong, the KKK, Aryan Nations, American Nazi Party etc., or he looses.

I will not be able to vote, since I have no desire of being an USA citizen, but I will be able to raise a lot of money, for one of the tickets. Until today's speech my support was clear. After today, I will be holding McCain to a much tighter, and demanding, criteria. If McCain is himself, he can count on my support, if, on the other hand, he tries to reach out to the Fascist fringes of the Party (the "born again" inbred "shrubs"), I guess my fund raising can now go to another candidate...

I feel privileged tonight. Out of the hundreds of political speeches I have heard, out of the thousands I have read, this one has to be in the TOP TEN.
I have no words to describe it, I will just say PURE GENIUS....

[A cut and past from some other post on the subject, just thought I would share it again. Don't know how to do those redirect jobs, you guys always do. Sorry]

Originally posted by Sublime620
Perhaps they are all just promises. It does seem that every politician runs on the policy of hope.

But, unfortunately unlike the movie, hope does not float

I was disappointed with Obama's speech, but not surprised. It's funny I came across this thread because about 2 hours before the speech my buddy calls me from Cali:

"Dude, Obama's speech is tonight, it's going to be historic."

My response was basically "No it's not."

I then went on to describe to my friend what I thought Obama's Speech would be like:

-He would deride the current administration and it's failed policies
-He would claim McCain would be more of the same or another George Bush

and he would make the following promises:

-to end the war in Iraq
-to bring the soldiers home
-to eliminate the Nuclear Threat in the MidEast
-to provide Health Care for every American
-to fix the schools
-to eliminate unemployment
-to bring jobs back from overseas
-to fix the failed Social Security System
-to increase the tax on the rich
-to provide Blueberry Pancake Breakfasts for every man, woman and child.

Ok, the last one I added for affect, but except for the pancakes it's exactly what I expected. What I HOPED for was a speech with some substance, and maybe even one idea on HOW he is going to magically accomplish all of this.

Nope, just another " a chicken in every pot" speech.

. . . and I was really looking forward to some pancakes


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He gives a good speech. But he gives me the creeps. I use to think those nuts talking about civil war were ignorant......We will see if he wins...I would bet cities will burn. White racist nuts will be going bonkers. This election sucks.

The speech was good but predictable.
the clsoing song was definetely not picked by Obama (country song???)
the fireworks and the monumental background music??? a bit Beijingish don't you think?...bit too much.

He also attacked McCain pretty hard, McCain could have released his VP choice tonight to take some of Obama's thunder but he was a gentleman about it and decided to "let the senator have his night". He even congratulated Obama by saying " tomorrow we start again but as for tonight, well done senator", McCain is a stand-up guy, always has been.

I think this is something that people well remember about McCain also.

I have nothing about Obama but his lack of experience. If he came back (after he loses this time) and tries again in four years after getting some work under his belt...maybe...

You know... the guy is a great speaker, best that has been up there since JFK imho

and a Huge part of a presidents job is to inspire people and I give him an A Plus to McCains D- in that aspect

But with that said... the guy did nothing but shell out the traditional Democratic Party line, Gay Rights, We can fight a War too, mentioned a few great past Democrats... Jobs for joe shmo, cut taxes, simple taxes, equality

and it was straight up the Democratic Party line

so where's the "Change" the Change is a democrat instead of a Republican


I mean I could almost vote for the guy because he has such a great voice...and it matters, the people do all the work anyway and if the people Love him he will be a good president

But I heard no great message of any actual "Change" we will protect social security...Yay

and it just wasn't that bold and that striking that...

well, why are all these chicks in the audience screaming and crying with their mouths open like he's some kind of Rockstar lol... he's a bright good looking guy and JFK was too... and guys too, I saw one big black bro weeping and it was... kind of ridiculous and funny

another woman this blond lady looked like she was straight up in the middle of an Orgasm

How did these people get so hopeless that a politician has them hanging on their every breath



I Hate to say this, it was a great speech and all, but those people made Americans seem desperate and pathetic and dying for some hope, any hope and... there wasn't much substance really just...a great speech and these people were... embarassing to me... you'd think Kurt Cobain just rose from the dead announced he was christ and opened up with a cover of Imagine on Acoustic with Natalie Merchant backing him up on vocals...

and he didn't actually say a single new thing at all... just straght Democratic Party BS

and it's as out of touch for my generation and those younger than me...almost as McCain is in terms of whats really important and no, it's not race or gay rights or social security or health care

For me, that's all BS and it's BS for everyone, because everyone here has internet a place to live, If we get sick enough medical bankruptcy is always an option, social security (and my dad is on it) stinks and won't ever be a decent quality of life if you never saved money

It's all the same crap, money for teachers, yay a 2,000.00 raise, Tax cuts Yay i'll save 300.00 next year...trip, in the end Both parties platforms are Big Media Buzzword Hot Topic Buttons for poorly educated people who derive their political concerns from the MEDIA

Wow! A heaping, healthy dose of BS rhetoric!

Everyone watch the sheeple drift into a hypnotic trance, their mouths agape, drool sliding down their chins and dripping to the floor. They are believing every word of this crap - drinking it in like a man dying of thirst slurps his first water. DISGUSTING!

"Change we can believe in" - CRAP!!! I don't believe that he will bring about any change and if he does... I guarantee that the majority of Americans WON'T believe in it. Just wait and see.

And don't get me wrong, I'm no McCain supporter. He's the same as Obama bin Biden - bought and paid for by the corporations and lobbyists. They both report to the same masters and feed at the same trough. They will both bring about the same result - a further decline of civilization toward the Corporatocracy and the continued erosion of your Constitutional rights.

It saddens me that anyone would a.) start a thread gushing over Obama like a schoolgirl watching the Jonas Brothers, b.) be mind-numbed enough to believe a single word of it and c.) be programmed enough to want to spread the "word" of the new messiah. This thread, and those who contribute to the glad-handed hype are the reason this country continues to decend down the crapper. That sound you'll hear on November is nothing more than a giant FLUSH!

I cannot believe people actually feel more compelled to support Obama based on a speech, regardless of how impressive it was. Anyone who thinks that he could really accomplish all of the stuff he said he would is setting themselves up for a big disappointment. Find any president from the recent past who has done all of the things they told voters they would prior to winning the election. Good luck with that. They will say anything, do anything, and act any way they must in order to get more votes. Nothing is off limits if it pulls in another swing state or maybe gets the interest of an important demographic. Need to pull votes from your opponent? Make up something about them, or tell some half-truths to make them look bad. Claim you can accomplish the most impossible of goals in four years if it will win the office.

All these speeches are is a test of charisma and looking good for the camera. There are people who will vote for the next president based solely on what the candidates look like and how well they do on camera. Judging from the reaction to the Obama speech, he's as good as president already.

Don't let one night, one speech make the decision for you. Both candidates have a past. Both have associations to people. Both have left a trail of crumbs behind them during their political careers. THAT is the type of stuff that should be how you determine who to vote for. Vote based on what is known about these men, not on speeches that were written specifically to be influential, emotional, moving, and charismatic.

If there is one thing that I really appreciated about Ron Paul it was the fact that you could look at his past voting record, his morals, his career work, and see that it was consistent to this day, which made supporting him very easy and comfortable. He isn't the most attractive man, and he doesn't do the best on camera. But you know pretty damn well what the guy stands for and what you can expect from him.

Wipe the speech tears away and think straight! Vote with your brain not your emotions.

I've seen a few posters saying they knew what he was going to say. Very true, I knew too, and I really didn't expect it until I watched it. I expected the same old BS, but he has made a change..... I was listening to the anaysis, and I found out this:

Back in Jan./Feb., he was saying, "We can't keep on playing the same game and issues, it is time for a change",

But now, he came out directly attacking them, playing the game, and it turned out to be rather more effective than his other style.

[color=Orange]It is great to see another one has "drank the koolaid" of the Democratic party and the message of their "Black Messiah". It is all smoke and mirrors. There is no one person that just by his election will change anything.Not without a majority of his party in control of the Legislature. That is one thing Roosevelt,Kennedy and Johnson had.Control of the Congress. And without sounding racist.Can anyone on this forum name ONE country with a black leader that is not a third world country?And don't even think it has to do with his training and education because most them also have an equivalent education. If this person becomes the President,this will be the last national election this country will ever hold. And by the way. most of the prominent black leaders want him to lose and will do everything they can to ensure he does. Brother Jesse Jackson spoke for them all.He doesn't have slave roots in his blood and that just irritates them to no end.His family never suffered to get the American dream. [/color]

Originally posted by Sublime620
Anyone watching this?

He has hit so many chords that we Americans needed to hear. I especially loved the quotes:

"We are the party of Roosevelt, we are the party of Kennedy. So don't tell me the democrats won't defend this country. Don't tell me the democrats won't keep us safe."

"You don't defeat a terrorist network that operates in 80 countries by occupying Iraq".

"You can't truly stand up for Georgia when you have strained America's oldest alliances".

-Obama

Thank you for putting it so eloquently for me.



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Let me correct Obama and his misguided quotes which many, including you (nothing personal), have taken bait, hook, line and sinker.

First off, sad to say, but the Modern Democrat/Socialist Party is NOT the Party of Franklin Delano Roosevelt, nor John Frederick Kennedy Jr. Ever since Lyndon Baines Johnson, the Democrat Party has developed into the very definition of the Downfall of American Society. The Democrat Party has had the Dirtiest, most Naive, and most Morally Corrupt Presidents in Office, in the History of the United States of America. The Democrat Party started going downhill when one of their own had our own President Assassinated. Ever since then, they have done such great things as launch a "War" which they dictated the terms of, and as such lead to the Death of 50,000 Americans, and a loss. They have given away the Panama Canal, which Americans bled and died for. Given Missile Guidance Technology to China. Abandoned our Military, even Captive Service Personnel, because they felt 18 Casualties were far too many. Pulled back, not short of a Half-a-Dozen times, our manhunt for the very Terrorist leader who then managed to Murder over 3,000 Americans not 7 Years Ago. This is the same Party that has become hijacked by the illegitimate offspring of the 1960's, San Francisco based Anarchist Movement. They are the same Party that has supporters torching American Flags, putting down the Nation when travelling overseas, and making it their life goal to do nothing but trash the sitting U.S. President. Meanwhile, nothing productive is being accomplished, unless you consider banning Asthma Inhalers, Plastic Bags, and Incandescent Light bulbs to be a Major Accomplishment.

You tell me, is that the Party of FDR, the very man who took on a World at War, or JFK, the man who inspired and directed NASA to place a Man on the Moon within a Decade?


Second, in regards to Iraq and the "80 Nation" Terrorist Network "issue", you also do not defeat such a network by PULLING out of Iraq. If you feel that being in Iraq is not making any inroads in the War Against Terror, then what will leaving Iraq accomplish? How about a void so great, so massive, that Iran takes over Influence, and thus through default so does Russia? Even if you are one of the citizens that feels we should not have engaged Iraq in the First Place, do we not at least owe an obligation to them to now have them succeed? Is Iraq not our Responsibility? Have they not sacrificed life, limb, and family to take up arms alongside us, and fight against the extremists? People complain about our "World Image" right now, but are you more concerned with our perceived image in some disaffected European Nation, or with the lives of those allies who bleed with us? I urge you to study History, learn of the greatest Modern Day mistake we made. Afghanistan, the 1980's. We Covertly supported the Mujahideen against Soviet Aggression, and ran Ops against the CCCP. We poured aide, finances, and support into Afghanistan, and its Multitude of Refugees who were beyond grateful. We were allied with the toughest of the Muslim world, and some of the Greatest Warriors Alive. Because of this Amazing and Highly Unlikely Union, the Soviet Union was horribly embarrassed, badly beaten, and kicked out of Afghanistan with a vengeance that made amends for Vietnam. NEVER again did the Soviet Union engage the United States in a Secondary Nation War. We had it made, and even began opening Diplomatic Relations with Kabul. Then what happened? In 1992, When President Bill Clinton was in Office, and he along with the Democrat House of Representatives (Minus a few, including The Patriot, and TRUE FDR, JFK Democrat Charlie Wilson (D-TX)) were busy Slashing Budgets (Including our DOD, and Intelligence Community Personnel by 50%, and thus their Abilities), they decided to pull ALL Financial Funding, Aide, and Support from Afghanistan. Any and all of the American Presence ceased to exist in this Ally Nation. So forth appeared a giant void, Ripe for the Picking. Then, in response to this, in flew a Rich, Flamboyant, Well known Saudi by the name of Osama Bin-Laden. He entered the hinterlands as the "Savior of the Muslim World", and put forth his promotion of Extremist Wahhabism, thus setting the tone for years to come. Due to this, along came the Religious Zealots known as the Taliban, and their little rotten Pork-Chops, Al-Qaeda. Then, not too long afterwards, we ended up with Two Downed Towers, a Bruised and Battered Pentagon, a Crater in Pennsylvania, and over 3,000 Dead Americans. Bottom line, learn from History, for History is Not a Fool.


Third, what makes you think Barack Obama has the backbone to Stand-up for Georgia, when he cannot even hold a single Position without giving in like a 13 Year Old Caving to Peer Pressure? He talks about Pulling out of Iraq, then re-deploying to Afghanistan (News Flash, we are already Deployed there), then Entering and Engaging a Nuclear Power, and Ally (Pakistan), yet somehow he feels this is more Worthy than Iraq, and somehow will not tax our already thinly stretched DOD anymore than it currently is. Again, this is an Ideological Dream, not a Realistic Solution for Anything. Obama is the kind of Naive child that believes he can solve all of the World's ills simply through Speeches, and Discussions. When he fails to get his way, one might wonder if he will also react as disproportionately in his use of force? He appears as a child, vulnerable to tantrums, and will most likely engage America in a War with a Nuclear Superpower, or at the very least re-open us to another 9-11 Style Terrorist Attack. This is NOT the mentality of a President that can Handle the Situation with The New-CCCP, and Former Soviet-Georgia.

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But you cannot take away from him that the speech was delivered with perfection. That he is a great orator of our time. That his ability to speak - and through speaking lead - may be able to revive our diplomacy throughout the world.

I'm sure Kim Jong Ill was very impressed.