Obama amazing tonight at the DNC, page 5
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reply posted on 29-8-2008 @ 09:37 PM by Sublime620
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Isn't radical Muslim and Marxist an oxymoron?

Go spout your crazy views on a street corner where people with no access to books might listen. How much Bill O'Reilly does it take to jade one's view this much?

Honestly though, go post in the Skunk Works section with that garbage.

(Oh, and an extra at calling him a "racist")

[edit on 29-8-2008 by Sublime620]


reply posted on 29-8-2008 @ 10:43 PM by DrZERO
Originally posted by Sublime620
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He alluded to things he would do. It is not only impossible to truly list how he can do the things he said he would in a speech... but it isn't an effective way of speaking (which is why he is up there and not you).


Why is it impossible to tell us how he is going to fulfill his promises? I think it would be very effective to shed some light on his plans. It would only be impossible if the things he promised were impossible.


If you want detailed plans, you need to do research. Look on his website. You can do the same with McCain - McCain also won't list exactly how he will accomplish his goals (since that would be long winded and retarded).


Ohhhh . . . if I want to know what Obama has in store I need to "do the research." Why can't he just tell me? What about the Americans who don't have a computer? What about the Americans that Obama talks about in his speech, the ones loosing their homes and jobs? Do you think they have time to research Obama's plans?

Why is Obama telling the American people what his plans are "retarded?"


For example, here's a 55 page PDF that lists some of his goals and how he plans to attain them:

Blueprint for Change


Hmmm . . . looked thru the "blueprint," funny thing though, just like his speech I couldn't find anywhere in the blueprint where Obama spells out how he is going to pay for the following promises in his speech:

-$150 Billion for new energy resources
-An ARMY of teachers that will have higher wages
-Paying back the Social Security System

and that was just the top three.

The best part is that he is going to do all this while lowering 95% of the working class's taxes.

If this is really true, if he can do all this, forget president, he should be running for Messiah.

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reply posted on 29-8-2008 @ 11:10 PM by DrZERO
Originally posted by Sublime620
reply to post by bvproductions


Exactly.

Such as saying stuff like: "He talked about all of this stuff in his speech but didn't list how he would do it all". Do these people really want him to break out a budget and show where he will make cuts and which departments he will bolster?


Yes, that would be nice, or maybe a pie chart. I know it didn't work for Ross Perot, but this is Obama we're talking about so . . .


Go read a book, a newspaper, or his website.


Please direct me to the book or newspaper that outlines how Obama is going to execute his plans. Furthermore, why should any one have to spend the money to purchase said book?
Why should one have to have internet access to be privileged enough to find out about his big plans?

WHAT IS THE BIG SECRET?? WHY CAN’T HE JUST TELL US??


reply posted on 29-8-2008 @ 11:18 PM by Sublime620
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It's a more detailed plan. He can't exactly lay out the budget for us.

Look, the point is... he told us his plan in his speech. You are correct, he did not lay out every detail of it, and you shouldn't expect him too either. No presidential candidate does, and nor could they.

McCain's Economic Plan

Look, even online McCain has an economic plan that isn't detailed to every minute detail. Guess you can't vote for him either.


reply posted on 29-8-2008 @ 11:49 PM by DrZERO
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I know no candidate tells us how they are going to accomplish all of their hot winded campaign promises. But you are touting that Obama is different, when in fact, under your own admission, he is the same.

I wouldn't vote for McCain either but that's not the point. The point is you and half the country listen to some speech and then say, "Obama is going to solve all of our problems, let's just sit back and let him handle it. It's all good."

No matter what he says, no matter who you choose, it will be business as usual in Washington come January, and that is a promise that I know will come to fruition.

Thanks as always, Sublime620 for ignoring my questions and challenge.



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reply posted on 30-8-2008 @ 09:12 AM by Sublime620
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What are you talking about? McCain and Obama will say very different things in their speeches. That's the point.

McCain will say many of the things that this country is tired of hearing... where as Obama's entire speech was to inspire us. McCain will say we need to stay the course in Iraq, where Obama says we need to set up time tables for withdrawal.

Neither one of them is going to pull a budget out on stage... never will they. And while you are correct that candidates are usually full of promises (especially economically) that are never delivered, that doesn't mean that voting makes no difference.

Had Bush not edged out Gore in the electoral votes, we'd never have occupied Iraq, and possibly would have cornered Osama in Afghanistan as we should have.

So no, I don't think Obama will be "business as usual in Washington". While some things may never change, all the things Bush screwed up can go back to normal. And that's all I'm looking for.

I'm not looking for a Messiah... I'm looking for someone to fix Bush's giant cluster#*$# of a presidency.


reply posted on 30-8-2008 @ 10:51 AM by SlytOfHnd
reply to post by Sublime620
Ya know what I'm totally sick about? People calling him the first black man to run for President. Have you all been dropped on your head? He is half white! Jeez, every time I hear that I want to throw up.


reply posted on 30-8-2008 @ 10:59 AM by skeptic1
reply to post by Sublime620




So no, I don't think Obama will be "business as usual in Washington". While some things may never change, all the things Bush screwed up can go back to normal. And that's all I'm looking for.


But, can't you see that isn't the "change" that Obama has been promising since the start of his campaign? He has been promising a change in how things are done in DC. Now, all he is promising is a change in policy......the exact "change" every person running for office, every politician promises. It is a change in policy, not a change in practice.

I am not one of those people that think Obama is the antichrist or a muslim or a one eyed, one horned giant purple people eater disguised in make-up, a blue suit, and a red tie. But, as his campaign has gone on, he has shown that all his talk of hope, change, and unity isn't all it's cracked up to be.

It's just a change in policy from an ordinary politician with good oratory skills and good speechwriters.


reply posted on 30-8-2008 @ 01:14 PM by DrZERO
Originally posted by Sublime620
reply to post by DrZERO


What are you talking about? McCain and Obama will say very different things in their speeches. That's the point.

McCain will say many of the things that this country is tired of hearing... whereas Obama's entire speech was to inspire us. McCain will say we need to stay the course in Iraq, where Obama says we need to set up time tables for withdrawal.


Why do you keep bringing up McCain?? I thought this thread was about Obama's speech? I'm sure McCain's speech will be just as sugar coated and full of hot air and empty promises.

How do you know what Obama will do in regards to Iraq, to date he has already flip flopped on the subject to match voter opinion, just like Hillary did.


Neither one of them is going to pull a budget out on stage... never will they. And while you are correct that candidates are usually full of promises (especially economically) that are never delivered, that doesn't mean that voting makes no difference.


Please quote me saying that voting does not make a difference (excluding the instance I mentioned below). If you mean there will be no difference if Obama or McCain get elected then you are correct.


Had Bush not edged out Gore in the electoral votes, we'd never have occupied Iraq, and possibly would have cornered Osama in Afghanistan as we should have.


And you thought you lived in a Democracy. Let's see, Gore has the most popular votes and Bush took office, I guess that was one instance when voting really didn't make much of a difference.


So no, I don't think Obama will be "business as usual in Washington". While some things may never change, all the things Bush screwed up can go back to normal. And that's all I'm looking for.


You really need to read a book or two, although the Bush Administration are nothing less than criminals, the mess we are in has been decades in the making, by republicans and democrats both.


I'm not looking for a Messiah... I'm looking for someone to fix Bush's giant cluster#*$# of a presidency.


Unfortunately this is the sentiment amongst many of the population. But most are not only looking for Obama to fix Bush's screw-ups, but their own as well. Somewhere along the line people were convinced that it is the government’s job to solve all of your problems for you, and this was a big talking point in Obama’s speech.

What? can't make the mortgage payment? vote Obama.
What? too much credit card debt? vote Obama
What? no money left over this year for Christmas gifts? vote Obama
What? the Earth getting to warm for you? vote Obama.
What? your kid is too stupid to pass 8th grade? Vote Obama.
Why? because Obams is going to fix everything, he said so in his speech!

I know the country is screwed up, but is electing a borderline Socialist president to redistribute the wealth really the answer? I know four years of McCain isn't either but I decided during the last campaign cycle to stop voting for the lesser of 2 evils, Obama in this case.

I really wish we had a candidate that would recognize accountability and personal responsibility, but unfortunately no one would vote for him/her.

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reply posted on 30-8-2008 @ 04:12 PM by skyshow
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I thought it was just going to be god/abortion (both can be used interchangeably), guns, gays that would be used this time by the Rovians...looks like they may drum up some support with bringing back paranoid McCarthism as well.

Just when you thought you've seen it all eh...desperate times call for desperate measures...


reply posted on 30-8-2008 @ 04:54 PM by DrZERO
reply to post by skyshow


Any power structure will generally do anthing in thier means to stay in power. Fear is a very useful tool, fear of Communism, fear of Nuclear War, fear of pandemics, fear of global warming, fear of terrorism.

This is not unique to the republicans or the democrats, both are guilty. The illusion is that you actually have a choice, the reality is both parties are simply different prongs of the same fork, using the same tactics power structures have been using throughout history.
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