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Originally posted by mlmijyd
Your happy to support a person to go to Iran and blow a child/teenager into tiny bits in the name of US foreign policy but suddenly develop a moral conscience about how they handle unrest?
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Originally posted by chise61
reply to post by amazed
Can you please tell me what your posts have to do with this thread ?
The thread is about Two teenage boys that were hung in Iran, how Iran violated international, as well as their own law. The thread has nothing to do with america's (or any other country's for that matter) history of executing minors.
Please stop trying to derail this thread.
[edit on 29/8/08 by chise61]
Originally posted by chise61
reply to post by amazed
Understandable, however the OP is talking about the illegality of the execution by international laws and the fact that Iran even went against their own laws, it isn't really about debating the death penalty. There are no Americans posting as of yet screaming about what Iran did. I'm merely trying to point out that it doesn't take much lately to turn a thread into an American bashing thread so can we please try to avoid that in this thread?
Originally posted by Harlequin
OK. So let me give you a hypothetical (As opposed to a Hype Pathetical)
Lets say you are driving a car in Iran and through no fault of yours somebody ends up in front of your car and is killed.
As a driver of a vehicle you are responsible of being in control of a lethel weapon - if you kill someone in any country whilst driving you are held accountable for your actions.
[edit on 29/8/08 by Harlequin]
Originally posted by rickyrrr
reply to post by VIKINGANT
This is not about the age of those boys, it is about timing. Get ready for more outrageous news about Iran in the weeks leading up to the first US airstrike sometime before the year is over.
Outrageous crap like that is happening in every country every week all over the world. Mother puts baby in microwave, people dying in darfur, you take your pick.
I am sure that a fireman saved a cat from a tree sometime this month in Iran and we will never hear about it in the "offbeat" news section.
The timing of the news is meant to stimulate hate towards Iran (deserved or not) because an attack is imminent.
-rrr
Originally posted by rickyrrr
reply to post by VIKINGANT
This is not about the age of those boys, it is about timing. Get ready for more outrageous news about Iran in the weeks leading up to the first US airstrike sometime before the year is over.
Outrageous crap like that is happening in every country every week all over the world. Mother puts baby in microwave, people dying in darfur, you take your pick.
I am sure that a fireman saved a cat from a tree sometime this month in Iran and we will never hear about it in the "offbeat" news section.
The timing of the news is meant to stimulate hate towards Iran (deserved or not) because an attack is imminent.
-rrr
Originally posted by VIKINGANT
I am not taking a pro or anti Iran stance on this story but the fact that these two boys were hanged for a crime committed when they were 15.
Not only was it an illegal hanging
The execution of juvenile offenders is prohibited under international law, as stated in Article 6 (5) of the ICCPR and the Convention on the Rights of the Child (CRC), of which Iran is a state party to and so has undertaken not to execute anyone for crimes committed when they were under 18.
But they way they went about it was all wrong as well.
His lawyer was not informed that his execution was to be carried out, though under Iranian law a 48 hour notification period is required.
Reza Hejazi's family were notified that he had been transferred to a cell for those to be executed within 24 hours, and they informed his lawyer, Mohammad Mostafaei. The lawyer reached Esfahan prison at 4.30am, and attempted to find out when the execution was to be carried out. Prison guards informed him that executions normally took place between 7 and 8am. After attempting for several hours to secure a stay of execution, at around 10am Mohammad Mostafaei was told by the officer supervising executions that Reza Hejazi’s execution had been halted. He set off back to his office in the capital, Tehran, a five-hour journey away. While he was travelling, he was informed that Reza Hejazi was hanged at 11am.
And what did the Iranian Government have to say about it?
Within hours of the execution, members of Iran's parliament expressed outrage, not for the deaths of the two teenagers, but at journalists who reported the ages of those who were put to death.
According to Iran Focus News, one member of parliament was dismayed that the focus was on the age of the boys. "Instead of paying tribute to the action of the judiciary, the media are mentioning the age of the hanged criminals and creating a commotion that harms the interests of the state," he said.
I think thier age should be the focus in this case.
OK. The boys were now 18 but the crimes were committed before they were 18 so should not have been executed.
I repeat....
The execution of juvenile offenders is prohibited under international law..../...not to execute anyone for crimes committed when they were under 18
story.birminghamstar.com
(visit the link for the full news article)
We "DO NOT" have the right to tell Iran or China or anyone else how to punish their criminals.