Critique - How Did Michelle Obama Do During Democratic Convention Speech?, page 6
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reply posted on 26-8-2008 @ 12:01 PM by sos37
reply to post by seagull


So what are you saying - if I wasn't impressed by her speech it's because I'm obviously jealous of her accomplishments in life? Do you realize how assinine that sounds?

I'm not impressed by her speech because it didn't sound genuine to me. And I'm not convinced that she and her husband have America's best interests in mind. For one thing, which you "Obamatrons" insist on ignoring, is their history.

* 20 years attending a church pastored by a hate monger preaching racial segregation
* Obama chairing an organization (the CAC) with a known domestic terrorist, William Ayers
* Obama's ties to Tony Rezko

I could care less about what they make. I'm more interested in who they associate with, and their history has shown that the Obamas have chosen to associate with some rather "unsavory" characters.

So excuse me if I fail to be impressed by Michelle's BS speech.



reply posted on 26-8-2008 @ 12:29 PM by maybereal11
Originally posted by sos37
reply to post by seagull


For one thing, which you "Obamatrons" insist on ignoring, is their history.

* 20 years attending a church pastored by a hate monger preaching racial segregation
* Obama chairing an organization (the CAC) with a known domestic terrorist, William Ayers
* Obama's ties to Tony Rezko

I could care less about what they make. I'm more interested in who they associate with, and their history has shown that the Obamas have chosen to associate with some rather "unsavory" characters.

So excuse me if I fail to be impressed by Michelle's BS speech.


Hey SoS... I have seen you post civily and intelligently before so I know you can...how about you don't call Obama supporters "Obamatrons" and I won't call Obama detractors right wing nut-jobs and similiar things?

I do appreciate when you post things that can be actually discussed.
* The reverand is many things, but "a hate monger preaching racial segregation" ...I don't think any of his congregation would describe him as this. You have fallen victim to GOP Spin if you buy it.

* The CAC or Chicago Annenberg Challenge was dedicated to improving Chicago Schools. Nothing sinister here.

* Tony Rezko...Everybody in Chicago Politics has "ties" to corrupt political players. Doesn't make Obama Corrupt. Our last Govenor of Illinois is in a federal pen for goodness sake. Compare to the Keating 5...much more than ties.



reply posted on 26-8-2008 @ 12:33 PM by jam321
reply to post by maybereal11


Let's see the question was

How Did Michelle Obama Do During Democratic Convention Speech?

Let's assume you says she did excellent and I said she did OK. You must admit there is a difference between excellent and OK.

How can I convince you that she was only OK without hard facts? There are no facts I could use. All I can do is point out things that I observed and even then you still may not agree because you have your own opinion of what you observed.

jetxnet didn't make this remark "wasn't she in that movie Boyz in the Hood?"
until after he was pounced on. However since he asked a question somebody could have answered it for him.

My point was that the whole thread was on target until the op decided to respond to jetxnet for voicing his opinion. After this the thread got derailed big time.

Just about every thread on this site contains some kind of outrageous claims that are unsupported. It just goes with the territory.


reply posted on 26-8-2008 @ 12:35 PM by DreamTrekker
reply to post by Spectre0o0


You forgot to add a degree from Princeton, a Law Degree from Harvard, and a job practicing law.

Why do they always forget the lawyer part?

Do they TRUST lawyers? And BELIEVE lawyers?

Or Politicians?

Strange.


reply posted on 26-8-2008 @ 12:39 PM by maybereal11
Originally posted by sos37


Going back further, how is it that Barack was able to attend Punahou, which was not a school for the impoverished?

Forgive me if I call BS to your tear jerking claims of how the Obama's clawed their way from poverty to riches.


Obama attended Punahou with the assistance of FINANCIAL AID according to school management, school records and Obama himself.
www.punahou.edu...

He also worked a part time job at a Baskin-Robbins down the street to help make ends meet.

Hey SoS...If I can research and answer this question in 60 seconds...why couldn't you before accusing Michelle Obama of Lying? Or does the truth just get in the way of your objective?

You are better than this. Or... maybe you're not, for some reason I keep seeing a glimmer of honesty and character beneath your propaganda.


reply posted on 26-8-2008 @ 12:58 PM by sos37
Originally posted by maybereal11
Originally posted by sos37


Going back further, how is it that Barack was able to attend Punahou, which was not a school for the impoverished?

Forgive me if I call BS to your tear jerking claims of how the Obama's clawed their way from poverty to riches.


Obama attended Punahou with the assistance of FINANCIAL AID according to school management, school records and Obama himself.
www.punahou.edu...

He also worked a part time job at a Baskin-Robbins down the street to help make ends meet.

Hey SoS...If I can research and answer this question in 60 seconds...why couldn't you before accusing Michelle Obama of Lying? Or does the truth just get in the way of your objective?

You are better than this. Or... maybe you're not, for some reason I keep seeing a glimmer of honesty and character beneath your propaganda.



I'm still researching Punahou - the financial aid perspective was called into question at one point as being "falsified". I'm looking for that claim now.


reply posted on 26-8-2008 @ 01:16 PM by muzzleflash
Originally posted by skyshow
reply to post by muzzleflash




do i really have to go watch a clip of this garbage ? lol


Get a load of this: This person goes on to post on the "Critique" of how someone does on her speech, and has a lot of negative things to say, and starts out first by informing us all that he/she didn't even watch the speech or a clip. How do you like that for objectivity? Need I even go over the implicit racist remarks we see here and in other posts? Two shining examples of the "other side".



racist??

hmmm, ok where did that come from LOL

and why do i Have to watch it to be in this thread? i cant make a joke?
you have no sense of humor?

sigh...but racist? please explain im utterly baffled


reply posted on 26-8-2008 @ 01:22 PM by sos37
reply to post by sos37


Okay well I concede on Punahou. The source I found claiming the financial aid angle was falsified had nothing official to back it up. Basically it was speculation and I'm like you, I prefer facts to speculation.



reply posted on 26-8-2008 @ 01:22 PM by Benevolent Heretic
Originally posted by lynn112
I don't care what she said because those were the words of a speech writing, not Mrs. Obama.


Not that I want to change your mind, but she wrote that speech herself. It's been reported and here's the Wall Street Journal as a Source


Aides say Mrs. Obama wrote her speech two weeks ago. "It's very, very personal, so she wrote it herself," an adviser said. When Mrs. Obama brainstormed with her staff before writing it, she made it clear that she wouldn't respond point-by-point to Republican attacks, a campaign aide said.



reply posted on 26-8-2008 @ 01:28 PM by Dronetek
reply to post by Benevolent Heretic


that she wouldn't respond point-by-point to Republican attacks, a campaign aide said.


Again, why is questioning Mrs. Obama's own words an "attack"? Are we supposed to beleive that her own words are now off limits as well? What ISN'T off limits?


reply posted on 26-8-2008 @ 01:45 PM by maybereal11
Originally posted by Dronetek
reply to post by Benevolent Heretic


that she wouldn't respond point-by-point to Republican attacks, a campaign aide said.


Again, why is questioning Mrs. Obama's own words an "attack"? Are we supposed to beleive that her own words are now off limits as well? What ISN'T off limits?


Dronetek...

Please give me some detail as to what you percieve as democrats complaining of attacks directed at Obama's wife and declaring candidates wives off limits?

You seem to feel strongly that their is some injustice here so I am interested. By questioning her "own words" what exactly are you referring to? AND where have the Democratic party called foul?

What I have seen the Obama supporters react to is mostly ugly and hateful remarks directed toward Mrs. Obama that have nothing remotely to do with relevant campaign issues.

Please enlighten me? Are we circling back to the much hashed over "pride in country" remark where any objective listener understood her sentiment while acknowledging the poor choice of words?


reply posted on 26-8-2008 @ 01:49 PM by Dronetek
reply to post by maybereal11


Maybe you could enlighten me? What hateful remarks are you talking about? What negative campaign has been launched against his wife?

As far as her statements, I'm talking about the "America is mean" and "firs time I've been proud of my country". As well as some comments shes made about "not becoming middle class". It seems that the media and her supporters want her out there, but when people respond to her they cry foul and claim there is some racist campaign to get her.
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