Originally posted by PammyK
There are many Religions in our country. He must speak for them all.
Originally posted by undo
to me, the speech sounds like he's pandering to muslims by denigrating jewish literature (torah/old testament) and to atheists, by pointing out that this is a secular, ecumenical nation in contrast to the light bush has been cast in as a papal adjunct, on a crusade for the vicar of christ.
If Obama had said the same thing about atheism, they would have been jumping his case.
Give it a break on the anti-semitic claims. If his "affront of Abraham" insults the Jews, it insults the Muslims...you can't claim it was just aimed at the Jews.
In Islam, Muslims believe that the Qur'an teaches that God's command to Abraham was to sacrifice his older son Ishmael rather than Isaac.
Originally posted by AshleyD
Originally posted by Lukewiththecomputer
How could you miss the point of his speech that much?
Please explain: What did you personally feel was the point of his speech? Also please explain (if you wish) in your own opinion why a presidential candidate should be concerned with issues of religion? Not setting you up for anything. It's an honest question and an answer I'd like to hear from your view. Thanks.
Edited for clarification: I'm not referring to the separation of church and state issue (which is understandably something a politician would be concerned with). I'm referring to his criticism of a specific religion(s)... oddly enough which is his own claimed religion. But that is neither here nor there at the moment. I'd like to know why a politician feels the need to stick his nose in a particular religion's texts. Especially a politician who displays his own ignorance of said religions in his speech by missing an obvious fact I pointed out above.
[edit on 8/24/2008 by AshleyD]
Originally posted by Valhall
Well that's definitely a strawman's argument on the Isaac versus Ishmael point because Obama's statements were directed toward the actions of ABRAHAM, not Isaac or Ishmael. But you WANT TO CHARGE HIM WITH ANTI-SEMITISM so you'll perform mental masturbation in public to get it done.
You people are truly pathetic. But carry on, there's entertainment value in this.
Originally posted by Valhall
You people are truly pathetic.
Originally posted by Alora
He mocked the bible by repeating passages from it? When was he wrong about anything he said? I'll tell you-- never. There is nothing wrong with proposing the separation of government and religion. It is, after all, one of our fundamental rights. One that usually goes ignored by christians. There is nothing wrong with bringing up certain parts of the bible that are too archaic to be useful in modern society, and the parts that are too outlandish to be taken as historical accuracy.
I agree with the point he was trying to make: we are a nation of different beliefs, and that is ok.
To me, you all sound scared and hateful....but mostly scared.
edited because someone forgot to proofread, AGAIN. *sigh*
[edit on 23-8-2008 by Alora]
I am not a believer and I am a tax paying AMERICAN... You cannot force your beliefs on me anymore then I could strip your beliefs from you.
Land of the free??? I thought so...