reply to post by Valhall
LOL LOL LOL Valhall,
The point is, we would not listen intently to Mo tell us how Allah (or if Mo was Joe and his God "God") told him to strap his son to a manhole and
gut him in order to save the world.
totally over your head...olde man. The point is that since the Cross ...God will not be telling anyone to strap anyone to any cross or manhole cover
...etc etc etc...in order to save anything. " It is finished!"
We as humans cannot save anyone or anything. God does the saving ..and for his purposes...not ours. We would not be the saving hand of God in the
I get Obama's point exactly ...we are all ONE. All Religions are the same Religion. Our humanity is the most valuable commodity out there.
As to your second post explaining it to us....once again you get the whole story out of context...in order to make your points..and like Obama are
wont to substitute your Humanistic translation. Translate that ..drama queen translation.
No - thank you. I don't want my country ran by some one like that. And that - would be Obama's point. The running of my country is not to
be left to personal religious convictions of one man. If it were, it would be a theocracy and we would appoint a King divinely chosen by God. We're
not in that business here. And we don't ever need to get in that business.
NO we don't need to get into that business. But we also need to be very careful about what passes for leadership in that politics itself is a
religion often disguised to be something it is not.
If this were not so...then why do so many politicians come across as if they have the solution and can make this a better country/world by voting for
them. After you see this happen enough..over and over ...you begin to realize how much faith it takes to believe in them. They want to work for EDEN
here on this earth. Just keep pulling the leavers in the voting booth..pushing the right buttons.
I believe I would rather NOT have an atheist president, but at the same time, if the atheist is the best candidate to lead this country, I
would not rally in the street to have him excluded from the process...because religious beliefs aren't part of the requirements for being President
of the United States.
Hmmmmm!!??? Valhall...you do know what the track record of Atheist governments is historically ...correct??
You know what I mean right?? Governments like Soviet Russia and today Communist China in taking care of their peoples or the business of their
You need to carefully rethink this process. If religious beliefs are not part of the process or requirements for president...than Obama is not
talking at all about religious beliefs in his speech per se.....he must be talking about another another belief system...not any of the religions he
mentions in his speech. Something or a concept beyond all of this. A higher moral system.
If this is so Valhall...what is the name of this belief system Obama is wont to promote in this speech?? The higher morality..what is the name of this
But it's a low and a false accusation to claim he is anti-Christian,
Obama has no monopoly on this anti Christian concept. Our government has been doing this since the civil war back in the 1860s. Slowly but they have
been doing it. The pace is accelerating as they are dumbing down most of American with Humanist educations principles in our public schools, on the
Boob tube, and through movies....where the bulk of America gets their educations today.
I AM a Christian and prefer to have some one in our political positions that believe there is a Higher Power with spiritual obligations on
how we treat one another
This is not a Christian statement. A higher power could mean anything...like the gods of Hollywood, sports, and the altar of television/movie
A Christian statement would be ..The God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob guide us as to how we treat one another.
When I see videos like Obama's as posted by the OP and then read your posts on this topic and video .. Valhall...one thing becomes clear and clear
not by what you say .. but also by what is missing from both yours and Obama's positions.
Valhall...you might want to check your positions again in your posts as it becomes quite obvious to those versed in Christianity..as it is obvious in
Obama's positions...metaphorically speaking...these concepts seem to be above your pay grade.
I can see this clearly by the drama in your posts in attempting to substitute your personal beliefs for what is stated in the Word. Others out here
can also see this. This is precisely what Obama is also doing...though he is doing a much smoother job of it.
I don't see any Christians or Jews trying to implement Levitical Law as American law,
What someone is hoping and planning to implement into American Law..and overlay as if it is the new American Law...is Noahide Laws...through the
United Nations. These laws will be implemented by default ..without the consent or knowlege of most of the American Public. These laws will be the Law
of the Sovereign...feudal sovereign law. Totally UnAmerican in principles and pedigree.
This is exactly what the Pharisees and Hebrew leadership were doing in the Olde Testament in the "traditions of men"...being overlaid on the Law of
Moses as if it were the Law of Moses. It was no such thing. This is why it must be done carefully and privily.
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