reply to post by Buck Division
In reading your transcript of the video and what Obama said...I am forced to ask myself if you and others understand the context of what Obama is
Right from the first sentence...notice the implication of "Hijacking" by the usage of the word "demands." The implied higher authority to hijack
"Democracy demands that participants translate their beliefs into universal rather than religious specific values.
This is a definition of bondage..not liberty. Do you and the readers in this thread understand this concept "implied " here in the quote?? That one
can demand and call it liberty...that one can demand and call it the higher moral ground.
Notice the word used here.."universal" ?? Universal is a watchword...which is very anti American. It means implies and or infers that worldly
standards are in play here..not necessarily American Standards. The word universal is often used in Eastern Philosophies to mean of this world..not
American principles and beliefs. This is a very slick way of meaning UnAmerican principles...or in other words..dumping American Beliefs and taking on
the worlds standards and expectations.
Whenever I see the word "Universal " used in any sentience..it is automatically a watchword...and my radar goes up several levels.
Any of you know about the Amish or the Mennonites? Is Obama implying that they must take up the "Universal" demands?? Or is religious freedom
guaranteed by the Constitution of the United States.??
Remember here ...if Obama wins this election ..does he not take the Oath to protect and defend the Constitution of the United States?? Will he demand
that we switch to "Universal" Belief systems in place of our basic religious freedoms of which he takes an oath to defend??
You are looking at a speech implying a higher moral ground even if it means we must turn out backs on our basic religious beliefs in lieu of
"Universal" belief systems of the World and the World standards.
One more thing you people need to understand ..in accordance with Eastern Philosophies and belief systems...the use of the word "Universal" and the
"World"..does not mean what most of us think ..in terms of the world we see daily. It means ..."Universal" and the " World" in accordance with
Eastern Philosophies. This is a very different World and Universal from what most of us are trained to spot or even think.
For those of you not trained in it ..what Obama is talking about here is the religion of this world...under the god of this world. By demands..by
inference..by implication..by default....that this system be allowed to play through unquestioned .....it is universal. Universal..thinking and
universal philosophies are becoming in the body politic as a watchword for entitlement. We are entitled...we are royalty...by entitlement ...because
we are of the higher moral ground..we are universal. It is so logical and reasonable to those easily captured by the emotional appeal of
It is nothing of the kind and it is also very UnAmerican. Unconstitutional.
All this is obvious to those trained in spotting Eastern Universal Religion principles at work.
continuing on ....
It requires that religious proposals be subject to argument, and agreeable to reason. If someone seeks to pass a law, it must be based on
something OTHER than just the teachings of the church. You can't simply point to what your pastor said last Sunday, or evoke "God's Will", and
expect that argument to be accepted by everyone without further debate.
Notice the continuation of the "hijacking" by sophisticated use of logic and reason.
But the Constitution guarantees religious freedom to Americans...and to be able to vote their conscience..on many issues. Notice the use here of the
word..."Vote their conscience."
Notice Obama's use of the word..."requires"...implying and inferring ..takeover...default setting..within the new moral high ground. This is the
logic and reason of a "Hijacking!!" By this kind of pseudo moral high ground based on logic and reason...one can in pseudo reason ..remove any
freedom ..particularly religious freedom to vote ones conscience on any issue.
Religious freedoms are an Individual American Right..not subject to the requirements, demands, default settings of others.
Notice one thing here of importance..and be very careful in the future ..and observant of this one.
If Amendment One of the Constitution of the United States...is for the purpose of guaranteeing religious freedom....of the People by limiting
government and Obama is, by this speech, seeking to limit or substitute this freedom..he must therefore be replacing it with a higher principle...a
higher consciousness...a higher religion. What is the name of this new religion or principle which will replace the religious freedom of Americans by
Remember ..the purposes of Amendment One is to limit government in the religion arena. The purpose of the first Ten Amendments is to limit government
across the board...and thereby guarantee the freedoms and liberty's of Americans.
"Although this may offend evangelicals, in a pluralistic society, we have no choice except to compromise with others. We must persuade
people by referencing a commonly agreed to reality. We must compromise, and assess what is really possible. This contradicts religion, which is, at a
fundamental level, uncompromising, and practices the art of dealing with the impossible. Basing your life on this may be sublime, but basing policies
on this is dangerous."
"Pluralistic society" another watchword used in place of "universal." Notice the use of the "hijacking" phrase " we have no choice." This is
the authority....the higher moral pretext...the justification for going to the next step in limiting freedoms. Justification to default through
against the religious freedoms of Americans.
Are they going to force the Amish and Mennonites to compromise with "pluralistic society" with "Universal Principles?" How about you and me
against our wishes and against our principles?? Particularly our religious principles and or scruples. Will we be defaulted over to the new
paradigm..the new template of "Universal?"
This speech is a speech of bondage..not liberty. Of enslavement to universal principles and pluralistic society..not Freedom and Liberty.
Notice also here the use of the word "society." This is another watchword..often used by people of logic and reason. The Constitution of the United
States is for the freedoms and liberty's of the "Individual" not for society. The Constitution is for each and every individual American...not for
Society..not for a pluralistic society or universal. The use of the word society is often for the purpose of herd mentality...to easily move the herd
in the direction desired. Beware of the use or misuse of the word "society" as a justification for defaulting your liberty's away from you.
I hope that some of the readers out here can see the difference in what I am saying and what Obama is describing in this speech.
This is an attempt at "hijacking" the American way of life ..especially our religious independence and freedoms and replacing them with a
"universal" religion..a.. "universal pluralistic societal " demand/requirement/default setting/higher moral ground to play through.
[edit on 28-8-2008 by orangetom1999]