Choking dog officer receives death threats, page 3
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reply posted on 24-8-2008 @ 01:18 AM by space cadet
reply to post by burdman30ott6


Oh Burdman, you hurt me!!!! I have 2 teacup poodles, they are precious.) They may not be useful dogs but they are smart, and loving, they require human contact and love, one look into their beautiful eyes and I melt!

I don't think the officer should die for what he did, but strong punishment is in order. He was cruel. His cruelty cost this family a member. If it were any one of my dogs I wouldn't have stopped the car, I would have continued on to the vet and then explained. My dogs are as loved and important to me as any other member of the family.


reply posted on 24-8-2008 @ 01:21 AM by dreams n chains
reply to post by Grafilthy


We live in a country where there are parking lots outside of every bar for drunks to get in their vehicles and drive away...... but it's illegal to drive drunk. Heh.

They (police) do high speed chases all the time that exceed the _alleged_ 95mph in this story.

I drove on Interstate 75 the other day, going the speed limit of 70 and most of the other vehicles where flying past me like I was poking along... this was at 7:00 on a Sunday evening.

The cop in the OP handled this horribly. To serve and protect...?... to serve their pride and protect their egos is all I've ever seen.


reply posted on 24-8-2008 @ 01:43 AM by burdman30ott6
reply to post by space cadet


reply to post by BlackOps719


Both of you please read the more complete news story in the second link I posted... the story that doesn't set making an officer look like a dick as it's top priority and instead focuses on the whole story. The dog was dead when the cop pulled them over. His actions had no bearing on the dog's survival and, in fact, a second officer on the scene attempted to resucitate the dog. An action which I would bet, knowing interstate ramp configurations fairly well and figuring they were most likely a ways away from the animal hospital, was probably done in quicker time than it would have taken them to reach said hospital and get the dog into a vet for the attempted resucitation. If the dog was in the car, still alive gasping & wheezing, then don't you think the owner would have been yelling "She's dying!" instead of "she's dead!" at the cop?

For anyone and everyone else in this thread that has crawled up my butt calling me heartless, emotionless, cruel, etc... I care more about the personal safety and security of you and your family than I do about a teacup poodle... Wow, what a cold hearted SOB I am! Imagine that, a guy with the audacity to place humanity above a dead dog's well being!

The dude that made the statement about "If the roads aren't designed for 95 MPH, then why do cops & EMTs go that fast?" Uh, did you miss the part of the article that said the driver was driving erratically? How about the fact that he was clearly emotionally distraught? Cops & EMT drivers have had defensive driving training and also have the advantage of having a nice big flashing light bar or bubblegum machine attached to the top of their speeding vehicle that says "Here I am, look at me! Get out of my way!" Add in the fact that when they're in persuit they are most likely paying closer attention to the traffic & road around them than the average driver is when not an emotional basketcase, let alone when compared to a distraught driver, and you may see how silly a statement that was to make.

Finally, being an insensitive jerk isn't illegal. Nowhere in any law I have ever seen does it say that everyone should immediately drop whatever they are doing or change their entire demeanor and go into "Aww *big HUGS!*" mode when confronted with someone who is at a loss. Would it have been nice of the cop to show some compassion? Sure. Was it necessary for him to complete his job and protect & serve? Nope, not at all. Nowhere on the sheild does it mandate that officers are required to show anyone any more than their Constitutional rights, and nowhere in the COnstitution is there a "nicey-nice" ammendment.

Everything else in this thread that comprises personal opinions, barbs, insults, and ridiculous analysis of myself is just slightly less worthless and aside from the point than the tilde '~' key on my keyboard. This thread is made up of 3 pages of comments, no fewer than half of which are comments that border on or fully state that a canine's life is worth risking human life to save... but I'm the bad guy. Yeah, that makes a really strong talking point for "denying ignornace" guys.


reply posted on 24-8-2008 @ 01:44 AM by space cadet
reply to post by johnsky


Star for you! What a simple and effective idea! A standard sign that alerts authority to your need for escort. We could build this into new cars, and for older models have a manual sign.

One of my 'babies' was hit by a car last year, she had broken her collar and in seconds she was in the road. We rushed her to the vet with our flashers on, folks pulled over to let us by, no one diferentiated between a canine emergency or other emergency. Lilly was saved and is now my 3 legged darling, I cannot imagine if something like what happened to this family had happened to us. We would not have stopped until we were at the vet.


reply posted on 24-8-2008 @ 02:03 AM by BlackOps719
reply to post by burdman30ott6




My response was directed more toward the statements of that police officer than they were toward you. You are correct, there is no law that mandates that any of us be decent or compassionate human beings. If being cruel and uncaring toward an animal or even a person is your MO then more power to you. You and that officer will reap the cosmic train wreck that is your own karma.

My issue is this, you simply do NOT talk to people the way that cop did considering the events that had unfolded. I'll tell you what, I am 6'4" and pretty ugly...Im not what one would call an overly sensitive person...at all. When I had to put my pup down last year due to cancer I left that clinic not crying but sobbing.

If someone had come up to me and said "Hey buddy..why dont you relax...its just a dog...you can always buy another one" ......odds are it wouldnt have been a great way for them to keep their teeth.

Now there is no law that says a police officer has to care or even pretend to care about someones problems, but dont be suprised when you say something that heartless and wicked to a person and in turn they go ballistic on you.


A little compassion goes a long long way.

$0.02


reply posted on 24-8-2008 @ 02:21 AM by burdman30ott6
reply to post by BlackOps719


OK, and amazingly, I agree with you. My point about the officer & tact is that there is no grounds to discipline him over this. Would it have been nice for him to have shown more sensitivity? Absolutely! Does it make him a bad guy or even a bad cop that he said what he said? No, I don't believe it does. It has to be noted that while some people do consider their pets to be part of their family & equal to humans, not everyone does. Myself, my pets are a sort of family member, but they certainly take a back seat to human family members and to rational thinking.

Also, where is the line drawn? What if it had been a pet snake? A pet bird? What about a pet tarantula? Maybe a pet fish? I've known people who had pets like these who considered them to be "family members" just as much as any dog owner... but would you advocate them breaking the speed limit by upwards of 20-25 MPH to save one of them? Would there be the same reaction if it had been a goldfish and the cop had said "It's just a goldfish, relax! You can get a new one?" I suspect that there would be some on here who would react the same with their "that cop should be drug behind a bus" nonsense simply because there is a contingent of ATS who are true idiots and view all police as enemies to be hated and fought against, but I suspect that this would be getting far, far less attention if it had been a fish. However, the points you and others have made would still have been legitimate in the fish owners' minds as they saw their fish as a friend & family member.

THAT is what I've so ineloquently tried to say here. The law is not and cannot be subjective. Justice is supposed to be blind, and that is a double edged sword which so many seem to either forget or pretend isn't the way it was intended to work. You break the law, you pay the price. It doesn't matter why you broke the law, only that it was broken. Before someone brings it up, I am not talking about legitimate defenses here, either. Clearly, if you have a legitimate, legally precidented defense for your actions which the law sees as a justification, that's a different situation entirely, mainly because NO LAW HAS BEEN BROKEN in that case. That's not what we see here, we have a law that has been broken, an excuse for breaking the law yet not a legal defense for it, and an officer who did his job yet failed to go above & beyond his job description and show empathy to a speeder who most likely disturbed him by bailing out of the car babbling about "she's dead" and waving his arms around.

If being cruel and uncaring toward an animal or even a person is your MO then more power to you. You and that officer will reap the cosmic train wreck that is your own karma.

Again, I am dumbfounded. I'm putting human life & safety above the life of an animal and it's gonna kill my karma? If that's the case then maybe some dead karma is a good thing.


reply posted on 24-8-2008 @ 09:33 AM by Sonya610
Originally posted by burdman30ott6
Again, I am dumbfounded. I'm putting human life & safety above the life of an animal and it's gonna kill my karma? If that's the case then maybe some dead karma is a good thing.


Ahhhhh...human life is more important huh? And it can be used to justifies virtually all sorts of cruelties towards animals and their owners even if the risk is minimal or virtually non-existant?

So lets imagine it WAS a human, maybe a small child that was choking (or had choked to death on an object) and the parents were driving 95mph to the emergency. They would be risking the lives of OTHER people on the road, they could possibly kill FIVE people while trying to save "one". Or maybe the kid is already dead, who knows.

Would risking the lives of innocent drivers be justified to possibly save the life of ONE person? Or in your world is that perfectly fine because YOU personally place the value of one possible life above the value of many other lives? That sounds a bit crazy to me, especially since you seem to believe they were such an EXTREME DEADLY threat to everyone around them.

The cop had already stopped them, they asked if the driver could stay and the girlfriend could drive on (she was NOT accused of a crime), and the cop refused. He was mean and petty, but I guess that sort of behavior really appeals to some people, there is a righteous ring to it and they love the idea.


reply posted on 24-8-2008 @ 11:06 AM by LLoyd45
Originally posted by Sonya610

First of all we can compare anything we like. Second of all this was NOT a case of choosing to save a human, or a dog. The police officer could have allowed them to travel on safely and not risked ANY lives but he chose not to do that.
It was a case of preserving a human life over that of an animal. They could have easily killed some innocent person or even their own idiotic selves while speeding and driving erratically. The fact that they pulled over once, then sped off could have earned them a bullet. That's the actions of a criminal, not a rational person. Why did one of them need to go on to the clinic if the dog was dead anyway? Did they need to make funeral arrangements or what?

Reminds me of the question...if your dog and a strangers child were in teh street with a truck coming...and there was only time to save one...which would it be? Well lets just hope the people in my neighborhood supervise their children because I would not EVEN spend a second debating that question. I would save my own first and foremost. Period.

I feel sorry for you Sonya if you'd truly place your dog's life over that of a small child.. A dog is just that, a dog. It's not a thinking, feeling person, nor is it even self-aware.

You are criticizing people for their mild comments. There is something for you to sink your teeth into.[edit on 24-8-2008 by Sonya610]
Mild comments... You think it's okay to endanger innocent peoples lives over a dog, make death threats to a police officer, and would let a child die instead of your dog, and you characterize that as mild?

[edit on 24-8-2008 by LLoyd45]
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