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...ya know what?.....

...yeah, it's not worth the bad taste it would leave on my posting habits.


On topic.

I would have driven pretty fast to get my dog to a vet. (less enthusiastically for my cat, but, my daughter loves the cat, so I would make a sincere effort) If a cop tried pulling me over, I would dial 9-11 on my cellie and told the dispatcher what my deal was. I would agree to slow down to 10 above the limit, but, I would make no qualms about being arrested at the vets. But I would. Not. Stop.
Sallie Derra, my dog, looks at us as her pack. We ARE her family no matter WHAT Mr. Emotionless up there above me thinks. Dogs carry a pack mentality, as all dogs do, and my dogs pack is my wife (Alpha Female), my daughter (pack sister) and myself, the Alpha Male. We communicate with, nurture each other with, wrassle with and exist with EMOTION.
The dog has emotions, as do my wife, kid and myself. (Maybe the cat too. )

I don't think the cop needs to be threatened. I think he caught some crap from his superiors for being insensitive and handling it badly, but, threatening to harm him? That's a bit over the top. But, his actions speak very, VERY loudly about the training police are receiving that lean towards a more militaristic nature. They are trained to "Turn it on" to maintain control over any situation. There's little room for immediate compassion when the cop is "Turned on". It's not part of the "On". They are trained and conditioned to analyze and assess any threats that may present itself. It's a process.
Sucks it has to be there. At least with a call to 9-11, the cop chasing me has an idea what I'm up to and my motive is not to evade arrest.
There ain't no Andy Taylor Sheriffin' no more, Ope.

My $.02
Cuhail

jackinthebox;

Maybe I should have stated that where I live no ambulance would be doing 85-95 mph. In Tn. emergency vehicles are only supposed to do no more than 10-15 miles over the general speed of traffic. Sure there are some that do not abide by this and go faster, but not at the speed you are suggesting.

Then there's a large portion of the human population that needs to get some perspective in their life. They had a reason for placing human life in jeopardy, a reason which some might see as a good reason but which the law does not... so it's supposed to be OK? Uh, alright we'll dance to that tune for awhile then. I'm sure the guy who crashes into a family doing 95 because he's running late for work and is afraid he'll lose his job if he's late again has what, at least to him and probably others, seems like a very good reason to speed. How about the person who's speeding because they just let themselves get a little carried away with the old lead foot? Seems like they'd probably argue that momentary lapse of attention was an OK reason to be speeding. How about the guy who's heading home for a nooner, tell me most red blooded American males wouldn't consider that a good reason to be speeding!

My point is, none of that matters... they are all excuses for why someone is breaking the law and jeopardizing other people's lives recklessly and without regard to anyone else's safety. We call those people selfish, and if they're actions display a complete disregard towards the safety of innocent bystanders and other motorists, then their attitude borderlines on sociopathic. In fact, I'd make the argument that anyone who believes it is a justifiable risk for a person to break the law in this fashion (and in some states, 25 MPH over the speed limit will lose you your license and get you possible jail time.), risking others' lives to save a dog, is mentally deficient and antisocial.

I'll say one thing, however, had I expected this thread to go anywhere and had I anticipated that there would actually be anyone off in the ether far enough to try and defend going 95 MPH to save a dog, I'd have refrained from sharing my opinion on dogs that do body double work for Speedy Gonzalez & Stuart Little. That was poor foresight on my part as it seems I've lost the argument with the small dog contingent not based on whether my argument is logical, but based on a half-hearted commentary against dogs that can be punted across the room by Verne Troyer. For that I apologize to myself for my poor judgement. What can I say? Some folks hate the president, some folks hate cops, I have issues with small, yapping, pinching dogs.

burdman;

I understand exactly what you mean. Our society is all about "me". People will find anything to yell at and anyone to blame when they are in the wrong.

I just wish people would realize that laws are there for a reason and not disposable based on someones wants and beliefs.

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You sound rather ignorant. They weren't speeding because they had to get to a baseball game, their pet was dying. Look outside your narrow views and ask yourself if you were the cop would you have written a ticket to a dying pets owner?

A good point considering that, by the officer's own statement, it's only a dog, and they can always buy another one.

The death threat part really stinks huh.
95mph to save a dog?
Call PETA on my but I’d of given them a ticket too.
No little whining scruff a hair is worth that kind of risk to the public.
I can see the headlines now, “Couple speeding to save life of poodle kill a family of 5 in head on collision.”
People have to stop this bleeding heart crudolla over animals and start thinking with their heads.
Put it this way, would you want YOUR kid crossing the street with these idiots plowing down the same road going 95?




Hey Kids! Stop! Look! And Listen! before you cross the Stree! - Romper Room

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If my kids were crossing the street at midnight on the freeway, I'd first wonder what they were doing.

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"bleeding heart crudolla over animals and start thinking with their heads"

Bad bad attitude, but I guess it's a backyard butcher's attitude, so at least there is consistency. I retract previous remarks about grace and integrity from another thread.

I'm damn sure I would have been doing 95 too, and I would have made sure that every one saw and heard me...high beams, hazards, horns....the works....I wouldn't care how many tickets I got if it was my dog's life in the balance.

Cait

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I don't buy that. I've driven 95 on numerous highways in my younger, crazier days. It's definitely fast, but it's not so fast that it can't be controlled.

If the couple was going 80, you wouldn't bat an eye. If they were going 85, you might say it was justified. That extra 10 MPH may be a lot in a school zone, but it's negligible on an open highway.

If it is so unsafe, burdman, why do I regularly see cops pass me going in excess of 85 or 90 MPH without their lights on?

Cops travel that fast so they can catch up to people going 80 and give them a ticket. Are you saying that cops can go 90MPH on a highway to give a ticket (with no lights on) but a family trying to save a dog is being so irresponsible that it makes you log into a board and spew hatred?

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Your losing the original argument, all those 'excuses' for speeding don't involve the life of a friend, you may consider that stupid, but from what I've seen from your posting, I doubt you have many friends at all. Yes, they are friends, the guy late for work? well work could be his friend I suppose, but it isn't dying is it? you see, your trying to lose valid arguments, in the torrents of your own BS, just as you have an inability to consider things from other people perspective, it doesn't matter if you don't agree or feel this way about animals, point is, they do.

I agree with what you have said about possibly causing an accident, but the way you said it was disgusting and shows the emotionl range of a teaspoon. I really don't like police, I can only speak from my own experience, but majority I have ran into have been power hungry a*!holes, who realised that after school, the power base they'd built up through bullying was about to crumble, so they got a job that gives power, authority and hardly any accountability.

BUT, lets just say that he wasn't, when he pulled them over and discovered it was a dead dog (I agree that he may have been slightly apprehensive about someone shouting she'd dead!), surely he could've shown compassion and 'blue lighted' her to the vet? even if he had given her a ticket there, he could've helped whilst doing his job, but instead, he didn't see it as important to save the dog, that is why people are angry, although death threats are a bit much.

EMM

Spot on, this was on an empty (ish) motorway at midnight, it was still illegal, but everyone claiming that they were stupid for driving that fast, have you even considered that they were only doing 95 because there was know one around? because there was no danger? if it was a built up area, who says they weren't doing the speed limit, maybe they thought to speed on the freeway so they would'nt have to speed through streets packed with cars? sound pretty responsible to me in a sense.

EMM

p.s I dont know about America, but our speed limits are 70 on our motorways in Engalnd and you'd be hard pressed to find anyone doing 70, mostly 80-120's, on average about 100 I'd say.

Why we love dogs and hate that officer:

Dog guards abandoned baby

I'm sorry, but I find it difficult to believe so many of you would place the life of an animal above that of other people. The driver could have easily killed himself, his passengers, and any number of other people on the road by driving so recklessly in such an emotional state.

I doubt any of you would feel any sympathy for a person like this, if they were the cause of an accident that injured or killed one of your family members over a pet. The officer was just doing his job, protecting human lives, and should not be criticized or penalized for his actions. true, his choice of words were a bit harsh, but considering the situation, I'd say they were understandable. He had no way of knowing whether he had just pulled over a drug dealer, a murderer, or a convicted felon. To find out it was all over a sick dog was probably a big relief to him.

If the driver truly believed the ends justified the means, then he should also be willing to accept the consequences of his actions. If I were speeding to get a member of my family to the hospital, I'd accept the consequences of what I did without complaint.

I don't believe the good of the one (a dog in this case), outweighs the good of the many.

I'd Love to comment, more about people using their " jobs " to try and Apply their Propaganda into the " right and wrong " aspect of the story, But In all honestly, Im wasting valuable finger strength.

I will state that In my years of being Armchair Commander and Supreme overlord of the text. That My opinion means jack and fecal matter, and Im afraid Jack defected.


These people had a dying pet, most pets are like family members, to have a pet need help that you cannot provide, Im sure you'd be using all means to achieve that need of help. I thought in cases like that, or fleeing from a tidal wave or whatnot, Your car was built to go beyond the speed limit for these types of matters.....

If not, why are our cars allowed to go past the national speed limit?

Would you still feel this guy was justified in his actions if he caused an accident that seriously injure or killed a member of your family? Or would you just throttle him on the side of the road for his lack of regard for other people's safety? I love my pets, but I'd never risks the lives of others to save them.

Travelling 95 mph because of a "snip" dog choking on something isn't reason enough to drive 95 mph. When did humanity become such "snip" that there would be outrage because of a police officer doing his job?

And furthermore, who in their right mind would send death threats to this hapless police officer? Threatening to kill someone over a dead dog sounds smacks of irony to me.

IDIOTS.

Edited to remove profanity. Please don't circumvent the censors.
gallopinghordes
forum mod

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Sadly, they must feel the officer's life is less valuable than a poodle's. This officer risks his life daily to protect people for a pittance, then must endure criticisms and death threats over a dying dog. The world is becoming a mixed up place..

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Bit harsh....

However it is a dog and if their driving was dangerous, the officer had =every right to stop them.

Do you guys love anyone at all? is Love a free easy ability for you to understand? Im not mad at the cop for doing his job, Im mad because after he found out what was wrong he deemed it non-important, I didnt know he was the All knowing all powerful Wizard of OZ. He could of had some Compassion an escorted them to the Clinic they were so Obviously Determined to get too.

that is all, people are just Losing the Natural compassion and Understanding that common sense and Nature gave us. We have turned into Cold Hearted Robots, If it doesnt fit into a Round, Square, or Triangular hole, Its Rubbish.

Yes I agree these people should of been ticketed, thats not my concern, I've known people who were pulled over for speeding just to inform the cop their wife was prego, an then the cop Escorted the car to the hospital an gave the ticket in the waiting room while his wife was being treated.

just simple acts of Kindness.