Originally posted by LLoyd45

Those are biological and instinctual behaviors that are hardwired into their make up. They don't dream

So being a pet owner you can tell me that you've never heard you're beloved pooch knocked out barking in his sleep? I'm willing to be you've never shared a close enough relationship with an animal to understand regardless of them being hardwired by instinct, they grow up as you raise them. I've had a dog that had no idea he was a dog, he was so babied he thought he was human in his actions.

Originally posted by HighwayDrifter I've had a dog that had no idea he was a dog, he was so babied he thought he was human in his actions.

Or maybe he thought you were blessed and born canine. You were his, he was yours, same difference. Pack blood, supreme meaning. : )

First I know that most Americans think they are Nascar drivers and such but really…..most of the cars on the road are not designed to travel at those speeds safely. Add to that tires which are normally not rated for such speeds, and while interstate roads are designed for a higher rate of speed than others they are not designed like the Autobahn. Just because a car registers a certain speed does not mean it is safe to do, you also have to look at each vehicle individually. It is much safer for a car to be traveling at higher speeds than say an SUV or even a big rig. My car registers 170 MPH and can handle a corner like it was glued to the road in the right conditions, and has all of the right things to make it safe at a higher rate of speed than any other vehicle I have had right down to the brakes. But even this car has its limits. I am not saying I have never traveled at speeds I should not have in cars that were not suited for such speeds as I have done so. What I am saying is that I was being stupid by doing it. It took a lot of years and a lot of looking at myself to admit that we really should not be driving at speeds like that unless we are in something that can handle it on roads that are meant for those speeds in the right conditions. I noticed about the same time that most everyone seems to think they are some sort of race car drivers. If most of the cars and drivers on the street are such great drivers at these speeds I would expect them each to have taken their cars to EVOC and passed with flying colors.

I agree with the poster if I get into an accident over someone driving at speeds like that because of their dog and I have my son in the car things are about to get even worse. They will be worrying about a lot more than their dog dying because one or both of them is about to be heading down that same path.

As for the officer he maybe should have told them to go ahead and followed them at a safer speed of course. After they got to the vet then he could have written the ticket. Really 95 MPH over a animal is flat out stupid, I love my pets but they are not going to do me any good if I get into an accident over them. Let’s get one thing straight, pets are nice and they are there for you and everything, but they cannot replace a human life once it is lost. I can tell you this much as I have been in situations where I needed to get to emergency places quickly. It is better to travel slightly over the limit and safely than to drive like some nut case who just stole the car. My situations were far more important than a dog and I still made it there quickly and safely without putting others or myself at risk.

Raist

Originally posted by RaistI agree with the poster if I get into an accident over someone driving at speeds like that because of their dog and I have my son in the car things are about to get even worse. They will be worrying about a lot more than their dog dying because one or both of them is about to be heading down that same path.

So Raist, if you happened to be driving down the road and your son started choking on a small object (the head off of some action figure perhaps) and you hit the accelerator after trying to dislodge the object, in your desperate attempt to reach the emergency room before your precious child died, and you happened to collide with my vehicle and you caused a horrible accident and as a result you personally caused the tragic death of that which I loved....

Well... guess what. Right back at ya.

Nahhh…I would probably be more forigiving, until you started to rant on about how your offspring was worth so much more that what I loved. Then all bets would be off.

It is all relative.


[edit on 24-8-2008 by Sonya610]

Something just dawned on me. Anyone else notice that it has been all MEN that threaten to stomp small animals to death, or kill/cause major bodily harm to the the panicked drivers rushing to an emergency clinic?

Anyone one notice that surprisingly NO women have uttered such sentiments? Even though women are generally considered FAR more maternal and protective of their offspring? No women saying "well if someone was trying to save the life of that which they love, and they endangered that which I love, I would happily stomp them and/or their vulnerable one to death and it would give me GREAT pleasure".

Yes, some of the BEST comments have been posted by men, but by far the UGLIEST comments have also been posted by men.

Very interesting.


[edit on 24-8-2008 by Sonya610]

Originally posted by Sonya610

Originally posted by gimme_some_truthOnce again, I had no intention of joining the debate.I just wanted to vent. thats it. I did, and now im done. Peace.

Sorry I was using your post as a launching pad for another rant. I did not mean to criticize you in any way. In fact the whole "cell phone reference" dated things and made me realize you are a lot younger than I thought; great intellect you have.

Sorry again, I know better than to be sarcastic with young pups, this discussion just got me fired up. Your thoughts on this matter are very accurate and insightful.

Dont worry about it. I appreciate the kind gesture. By the way I dont think of my self as young but I guess thats typical of a 21 year old. Out of curiosity, just how old did you think I was?

Also, to be perfectly honest I dont think you did or said anything that necessitates an apology. But I do appreciate it any way.

peace

Originally posted by Zerbst
maybe you can sell your big scary harley davidson boots and use the money to buy some balls? then you wont be frightened when a woman and her poodle dangerously pass you on the interstate. 95mph oh my, that's scary. or just keep your boots in the right lane with the school buses and blue haired old ladies and you'll be fine.

I stand corrected! The "small man with clown shoes" now goes to second place as we have a new winner! Congrats to Zerbst for amusing me just a bit more than the previous 1st place post did.

I wouldnt take it too personal big man, this is a touchy and sensitive topic for a lot of folks, myself included.

I guess it all boils down to what you hold dear in life, and whenever that person or pet or thing becomes threatened the worst comes out in all of us.


I actually never insulted you burdman, as best as I can recall..lol...but I do regret speaking so harshly about police.


Over all I have had mostly good experiences with cops in my time, and I would guess that this one officer was just a bad apple. No need to run down an entire segment of hard working people due to one man's incosiderate actions.


If people took the time to just show some basic and simple respect and courtessy to others we would all be doing a lot better as a race.




[edit on 8/25/08 by BlackOps719]

Originally posted by LLoyd45
The arguments I've read here in defense of the dogs owner are totally ridiculous. Comparing the life of a dog, or any animal for that matter, to that of a person, is completely ludicrous!

Why? do our higher level brain functions make us more important than any animal on this planet? I stand on snails, or slugs I feel guilt, I regret doing it, I try and avoid it when I can (I hate spiders aswell, hate them, but I usually try and throw them out a window before killing them)

I shudder to think that some of you would honestly endanger the lives of other people to save an animal. Talk about having your priorities all wrong.. didn't you parents or your church ever teach you anything about the sanctity of a human life?

Oh, hell no, it's the sanctity of life, not human life, that is where most people can get confused, so apparently your parents or church didn't cover the part that states humans aren't the only creature on this planet that need to be cared for and considered, nice child hood

EMM

Originally posted by ElectroMagnetic Multivers

Why? do our higher level brain functions make us more important than any animal on this planet? I stand on snails, or slugs I feel guilt, I regret doing it, I try and avoid it when I can (I hate spiders aswell, hate them, but I usually try and throw them out a window before killing them)

If someone seriously needs to explain to you why a human life is more important than an animal's, then it's a waste of time to do so.. You wouldn't understand the concept.

Oh, hell no, it's the sanctity of life, not human life, that is where most people can get confused, so apparently your parents or church didn't cover the part that states humans aren't the only creature on this planet that need to be cared for and considered, nice child hood EMM

Yeah, it's terrible that I was taught you should respect human life.. How dare they!

Where do people like you come from? It's no wonder that the World is in the sorry state it's in.

Originally posted by LLoyd45
If someone seriously needs to explain to you why a human life is more important than an animal's, then it's a waste of time to do so.. You wouldn't understand the concept.

You don't want to "waste time" explaining it because you CAN'T explain it. It is your personal belief system and there is NO scientific real world evidence that in any way proves humans are the only self-aware beings on the planet.

Originally posted by Sonya610

You don't want to "waste time" explaining it because you CAN'T explain it. It is your personal belief system and there is NO scientific real world evidence that in any way proves humans are the only self-aware beings on the planet.

I'm sorry if this comes across as being rude or insensitive, but you need to get a life. You've spent way too much time around animals, and have blurred the line between pet ownership and obsession.

Find yourself some human friends, that can actually speak, think, and share their thoughts with you.

Anyone who honestly believes an animal's life is more valuable than a child's, needs some serious therapy in my opinion.

[edit on 25-8-2008 by LLoyd45]

Originally posted by LLoyd45
Anyone who honestly believes an animal's life is more valuable than a child's, needs some serious therapy in my opinion.

You views are so weak and dillusional that when challenged the only thing you can do is insult the person that dared to question them. You can't even try to justify your beliefs, or come up with a hint of a rational argument, you can only lash out.

Originally posted by Sonya610
Yes, some of the BEST comments have been posted by men, but by far the UGLIEST comments have also been posted by men.

Well, the single UGLIEST comment has been posted by you. So take one off the scoreboard from team Woman.

I wonder how many women will agree with your sentiment if we asked, "Sonya would make the choice to save her pet and let your child die. Do you agree with that?"

Originally posted by Sonya610

Originally posted by LLoyd45
If someone seriously needs to explain to you why a human life is more important than an animal's, then it's a waste of time to do so..

You don't want to "waste time" explaining it because you CAN'T explain it.

Let me try.

Your entire life and continued existence requires other humans. You can't get your own food and make your own shelter and refine your own gasoline and build communication networks.

In fact, you can't know what you know right now nor communicate properly if it weren't for other humans.

You necessarily depend on other humans for your continued existence. Every action you take in this world places demands on other people. You need them to cut up the cow or harvest the vegetables that you plan on eating later. You implicitly need other peoples' help from the moment you wake up in the morning until you go to sleep in order to survive.

Pets contribute nearly nothing to your life other than acting as an emotional panacea - they are mostly useless. If you value the life of your pets above that of even strangers you are literally, "Biting the hand that feeds you."

That is why human life is far more important than any animal's life. We depend on other people in order to survive. Animals do not constantly help us in any meaningful way nor provide for us the things we need to continue living.

Jon