Some Chinese Flay Animals Alive **Warning, some graphic images**, page 2
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reply posted on 20-8-2008 @ 04:22 AM by gs001
Originally posted by TrueAmerican
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So what are you trying to do here, gs001? Trying to show us that man's incomprehensible acts of cruelty against each other somehow belittle this story into meaning nothing? Two wrongs don't make a right. What you posted is horrible, and so is this. Maybe you should make a thread that deals with the Lama's atrocities.

Is this thread talking about flaying skin?
I just follow the topic


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reply posted on 20-8-2008 @ 04:25 AM by candyfloss
Originally posted by snowen20
Out of curiosity do people resort to trying to save animals from the hands of mankind because mankind can not save itself? WHOA! let me correct that before I go to hell. "humankind"

Never mind babies having their heads splattered on trees while being flung around by the leg in front of thier mothers, or people being raped and tortured infront of loved ones and then later killed.

Is it an ideology of we cant fix THAT problem over there so we will try to take on THIS problem over here kind of thing?

A way of feeling like "you" the generic version speaking of the public) have some how effected a change and then feel like your making things better?

OK I know I cried wolf with a lot of trash talking I admit ... Sorry about all that I shouldnt act like an idiot I apologize and this question is really not meant to be a cutting remark.

Im honestly curious and hope someone can enlighten me please.
No,it's just that some people feel that it's their duty(whether it's a political,religous or personal belief)to prevent suffering wherver they can and I'm not being pious here.If people sat on their arses and never did anything to change things for the better where would we be?FYI i've been involved in alot of things over the years that help people as I'm sure many people have.Compassion for animals does not cancel out compassion for humans.The two are not mutually exclusive.As for babies being bashed I used to work in an orthodox Jewish supermarket and the owners were telling me one day about their neighbours who had been in concentration camps inWW2 and how they had witnessed exactly what you described and how they still have nightmares to this day.When they told me this I had the same feelings of revulsion and horror and anger as described before, in fact I thought I was going to pass out there on the spot.



reply posted on 20-8-2008 @ 08:17 AM by TrueAmerican
reply to post by caitlinfae



Thanks Cait. Interesting name btw

I'm not sure really there is any argument. I've done stories on animal cruelty before here, but this one- it goes beyond cruelty. It's insensitivity, heartless and tops anything else I've seen people do to animals. Talk about adrenalin in the meat. Jesus.


reply posted on 20-8-2008 @ 08:30 AM by goldcoastguy
reply to post by mlmijyd



I'm sorry, could you please show me how these said animals we eat suffer like those shown by the OP?

BTW I am a member of PETA - People Eating Tasty Animals.

Thanks in advance.

Gold


reply posted on 20-8-2008 @ 08:37 AM by caitlinfae
reply to post by mlmijyd




Vegan...? Yes I am....have been for a long long time....I'm not saying that we have to be instantly perfect in our behaviour towards other beings, however desirable that might be....that would be too much to hope for, I know...but we can try to improve, starting with torture like this.

Cait


reply posted on 20-8-2008 @ 08:43 AM by mlmijyd
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We all assume but my stance is simple. You can't compartmentalise what others do into good/bad by offering woolly and opting out statements like (paraphrasing of course) "I keep it to a minimum". So as long as your lifestyle only kills.....say 2 animals a year then its ok but all those nasty Chinese that kill 1000's? I'm afraid it’s an all or nothing thread. Your either part of the problem or not!



reply posted on 20-8-2008 @ 08:44 AM by TrueAmerican
reply to post by stikkinikki



Well what gets me is if you go and read the PDF and see the full story, you will find that this takes place in the open, with all the fur traders and others gathered around. It goes beyond individuals. This is accepted practice amongst a group. And the excuses they are giving are pathetic.


reply posted on 20-8-2008 @ 08:46 AM by mlmijyd
reply to post by caitlinfae



Then I heartily apologise as I see the only option to non cruelty to animals (including medical reasons) is to be a practising Vegan.


reply posted on 20-8-2008 @ 08:48 AM by antar
reply to post by TrueAmerican



Trueamerican, you have made a new friend in me today, I share your compassion, your empathy.

I know really know how difficult this is for you and the pain it causes. Just understand this, at one point in my life, I used live eat and breath meditation, looking inside, and one of the most difficult if not impossible things about awareness and the road to enlightenment was the unabashed cruelty, barbarious acts being made upopn all sentient beings past present and future.

When you are blessed with these clarities it is so difficult to seperate yourself from the suffering. However if you want to do anything to change the situation the only way is to seperate yourself from the emotional entanglement and be the witness to these insane acts rather than identifing.

For every human that finds self liberation the gap between consciousness and unconsciousness narrows, awareness and consciousness is the key.

You may not be able to stop the atrocities, but when you become enlightened, the whole begins also to awaken. So for every being that opens their eyes the greater the chance for worldwide utopia to manifest. It is hard in the beginning, almost difficult for an empath such as yourself but it can be done.

Remember that these types of horrors are ways in which the dark side of our plane of exsistence stays in power, in control. Do not give it power by losing your way because of it.

There is an exercise which may help, it is called Atishas exercise:

Start being compassionate. And the method is, when you breathe in - listen carefully, it is one of the greatest methods - when you breathe in, think that you are breathing in all the miseries of all the people in the world. All the darkness, all the negativity, all the hell that exists anywhere, you are breathing it in.. And let it be absorbed into your heart. When you breathe in, breathe in all the misery and suffering of all the beings of the world - past, present and future. And when you breathe out, breathe out all the joy you have, all the blissfulness that you have, all the benediction that you have. Breathe out, pour yourself into existence. This is the method of compassion: drink in all the suffering and pour out all the blessings.

And you will be surprised if you do it. The moment you take all the sufferings of the world inside you, they are no longer sufferings. The heart immediately transforms the energy. The heart is a transforming force: drink in misery, and it is transformed into blissfulness... then pour it out.

Once you have learned that your heart can do this magic, this miracle, you would like to do it again and again. Try it. It is one of the most practical methods - simple, and it brings immediate results. Do it today, and see.
O.
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