Some Chinese Flay Animals Alive **Warning, some graphic images**, page 3

reply to post by goldcoastguy

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I'm pretty sure that at the point of being selected for death and relabelled as "Tasty" to fill your plate isn't a moment of enlightened clarity for the unfortunate animal? But you’re correct; I can't point to a specific instance that would satisfy your questions scientific requirements. I have observed the shaking of legs, wide eye stare and the loss of bowel control of a cow just about it was to be 'humanly' killed in an abattoir. Sobering experience!

reply to post by mlmijyd

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Apology completely accepted. And to explain the "keeping it to a minimum" remark...I was really talking about how incredibly difficult it is to avoid animal products completely...I do try very hard, but they are in absolutely bloody everything. I do have leather boots...one pair, that will be worn until they fall apart like the last pair did....I get as much mileage as I can out of them, and until I find a decent alternative that isn't toxic in the way it's produced, I have to deal with that. Sadly, I live in the kind of climate where I need boots...if I lived in Florida, I would be in flip flops all the time, instead of just 6 months of the year. I know this doesn't have as much integrity as I would like, and it does really bother me, but I know the meat/leather industry isn't going to disappear overnight no matter how much I want it to...all I can rant about and work towards is furthering people's understanding of alternatives, and sadly all too common cases like in the OP that have to be addressed.

Cait

reply to post by mlmijyd

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Mate, I would also be sickened by this visual if I have experienced it first hand which I have not. But I would like to point out in nature, animals kill others for food. Also, we as humans kill animals for food (and plants). Unfortunately - as I sigh - it is a fact of life and always has been. Life has never been fair in this regard. Everything must eventually die for one reason or another. I just hope those cows bred to be eventually eaten within a hamburger have lived a reasonably painless and normal life (ie eating grass, expelling methane, etc) and not have prolonged, painful deaths.

In the end, we do have more intelligence and/or can do more about it so hopefully we as a general population make the correct choice when another life-form dies at our hands with minimal suffering.

"Do unto others as you would wish done unto you." I think this saying is a given.

Best regards,
Gold

reply to post by haidian

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In considering your point, I agree. So I changed the title of the thread. To you Chinese that have a heart and would never do this, may you be blessed. To you that are committing these senseless acts of violence, I'm tempted to grab my fillet knife and let YOU feel how these animals are feeling when you skin them alive. How about we just skin one arm, and see how you feel about that? Oh, still didn't get the point? Ok, we'll skin two. No problem.

reply to post by Res Ipsa

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I've already said. This goes beyond cruelty, and so does what you have seen. That's just evil man. I've been fishing plenty in my life. Never once did anything, or SAW anything quite like what you describe. And something always deep down bothered me whenever it was time to take that worm and impale it- alive. But hey, you're a man- you can handle it.

reply to post by haidian

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Good post. The double standard is pretty insane. 70% of all fur in the United States comes from China. And it's not mink, fox, or anything of the like. It's common dogs, cats, whatever. This is all an outrage until we throw our "mink" fur hoods over our head in our brand new Prada fall jacket all the while magnifying an occurrence that we not only enable but contribute to on a mass scale.

Duality is such a b**** for some people.

reply to post by whatukno

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Is wrong, wrong? Or is there limitations as to what is wrong and what is not? How can one differentiate the importance or significance of one life over another? Isn't killing any sentient being "bad?"

reply to post by whatukno

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Never been crazy about throwing a live lobster, or live crab into a pot of boiling water. Maybe if those kinds of animals could make noises we could hear, a human might be less tempted to do something like that. Do we really know if they feel pain and terror?

But when an animal like a dog or raccoon is clearly letting you know they are in agony and terrified while enduring that kind of death needlessly, that's when what ever little bit of sympathy they are due would tend to make the compassionate reassess WTF they are doing.

The perspective on this is specific , and widening it to whatever degree you choose still doesn't change the fact that this can be done in a way that is much less of the barbaric act that this is in the first place.

Originally posted by DeadFlagBlues
reply to post by whatukno

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Is wrong, wrong? Or is there limitations as to what is wrong and what is not? How can one differentiate the importance or significance of one life over another? Isn't killing any sentient being "bad?"

My take on the OP is different -- it's really not about the killing but how it's done. Most posters here recognize the fact that humans kill for food. As with most things, there are more rasonable ways to go about that, than others. What the OP is about, imho, that the way to kill the animal by flaying it alive is beyond reasonable.

I saw a couple of videos on YouTube and that stuff is hard to watch. Frankly, I don't understand why they won't properly knock the poor animal out before flaying.

reply to post by DeadFlagBlues

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We as humans kill every single day, we have killed absolutely everything (including ourselves) that crawls on the surface or swims in the water or flys in the air. Is that practice wrong? If the majority of people do something, does that not make it right?

What is at question here I believe is the method of preperation. We find that skinning an animal while it is still alive quite barbaric. This is our prespective on the issue. Not really that they are killing the raccoon dog for use for food. But the method of preparation.

Of course the same thing can be said for the way we in the west prepair Lobster or Crab. Both these "beings" are first boiled alive. Sounds quite barbaric. Then of course we come to the egg, an unborn fetus, we consume millions if not billions of these every year.

How can one differentiate the importance or significance of one life over another?

How then do you propose we as a species that are omnivores eat?

Does your lawn deserve any concideration when it is mowed? Does a tree deserve any concideration when it's limbs are cut, because they grow too close to the house or are otherwise inconvienent? Does a carrot, lettuce, asparagus or any other fresh vegitable deserve consideration because it is alive?

The method of preparation in this issue we in the west find barbaric, yet, we do simmilar things ourselves every day.

TrueAmerican, Lobsters scream when you throw them into boiling water.



[edit on 8/20/2008 by whatukno]

reply to post by gs001

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What is wrong with you? Couldn't you stick that behind a link or something?

reply to post by buddhasystem

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Most the animals we consume go through severe pain, fear, and exhaustion. That's long before they're killed. Here in the United States we are breaking the legs of young cows to produce veal. Clipping the beaks flush with the face of chicks as to promote less pecking in cramped cages. Hooking pigs in their chest cavity in a processing line because it's time effective. Pain and hurt is relative.

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