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Some Chinese Flay Animals Alive **Warning, some graphic images**

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posted on Aug, 20 2008 @ 10:35 AM
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OP

I am glad you brought this thread to ATS.
It was a very needed reminder of things I cared so deeply about as a kid and forgotten since.

In 5th grade, I read an animal rights book at the school library that was so disturbing, I actually chose a random animal rights group in the back of the book to mail. I chose In Defense of Animals. www.idausa.org, if anyone is curious. They signed me up for their newsletter that went out every couple months.
Basically the experimentation on rats especially, and other intelligent animals really bothered me. Rats were my pets of choice til I was like 20, I think.

Really I feel kinda silly now, having gotten into it when I was a kid. Scanning images of dogs and cats, printing copies of my home-made spay and neuter/adopt an animal from the pound posters and putting them around town hoping to make a difference for some animals.

But now what it comes down to, is there are groups that will go after EVERYONE who does something they do not agree with. And this, I think had lead to our nanny-state. Everyone judging EVERYTHING everyone else does and being completely unable to stay out of other peoples' lives and business.

We have child services wanting to interfere in our lives if we decide to have kids. We have animal rights groups will send death threats to an 11 year old boy who hunts a hog. Fishermen who get harassed while they are out. And many other groups who will do anything they can to make life a living hell just because they see it as their right....

I am sick of child services and their abuses of power, and parents being afraid of disciplining their children now because of it. I am sick of people who hunt and fish getting harassed.

I feel so much for those dogs, and every other animal that gets skinned alive. And the animals in the food industry. But I want people to stay the hell out of my life, so... Going to leave the Chinese and their dogs alone.




posted on Aug, 20 2008 @ 10:36 AM
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I wish we could at least just cut China off from the rest of the world. No importing or exporting. How can a people be so ignorant?



posted on Aug, 20 2008 @ 10:50 AM
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Now, I find this article slightly myopic. Saying "some Chinese flay animals alive" like "some Americans drive grossly over-sized gas-guzzling vehicles". I'm not saying I sanction this sort of behavior, because I absolutely do not, but you have to take a wider perspective than just saying these people are Chinese and they flay animals alive. There are some fringe groups of Satanists or whatnot in America that practice animal sacrifice.. would you want someone to publish an article saying "Some Americans Practice Animal Sacrifice" like it's a normal and acceptable part of our obviously backwards culture? Remember that there are always two sides. Not every Muslim is a terrorist radical. Not every Christian is a fundamentalist. There are many more vegetarians in China than in America.

The interviewee in the article states that they have always done their animal skinning in that way, so that points out to me that this is not a question of ingrained cruelty but of simple ignorance of another way. It is not our place to condemn ignorance.. but to DENY it! Perhaps instead of going in and writing a scathing article, these people who seem to care about animals could use their time to educate others about ethical treatment, and THEN they could devise another way for these otherwise impoverished people to make their income that doesn't involve the fur trade.

I'd also like to know.. who buys the furs? The writer doesn't include that piece of information, but I'd be willing to bet that it's not the local Chinese population..... (Edited to include) Oh, I just reread the article a bit, and they DO mention who buys the furs: "The fur can be processed into clothing and exported – we can't afford to wear it." So please, let's not blame China, but instead blame American artist Jay-Z, who bought the stuff.

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I'm sorry if I am being preachy, I hate to see articles like this. Singling out some other country as a perpetrator of great animal rights crimes and then sitting back like we in the western world are innocent. Just look up some facts about cattle ranching, pig farming, and the chicken industry in America and then get back to me about animal cruelty and wrong livelihood.

[edit on 20-8-2008 by LovelyDoom]



posted on Aug, 20 2008 @ 11:05 AM
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They're probably Muslim, the cruel execution of animals seems to be part of their “peaceful religion”, and if you live in the UK you've probably eaten halal meat which is killed just as brutality.

Always check where your meat comes from, don't get fast food from subway or McDonalds or anywhere with the Halal symbol, they’ll sneak it in without you knowing it so be vigilant.



posted on Aug, 20 2008 @ 11:15 AM
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OK guys. Not going to go overboard on this, because I know that some of the things have been linked with the best of intention to highlight the subject but the images that have been linked contravene the Terms and Conditions



1a) Offensive Content: You will not post links to images or use avatars and signatures that are offensive, abusive, distruptive and/or hateful. You will not use images, avatars or link to domains that contain gore, mutilation, pornography or illegal(2e) content. Doing so will result in removal of your post(s) and immediate termination of your account.


I'm not removing anything - yet. I can't guarantee that they won't be removed, and if they are I will explain why - but please by all means, discuss the subject but lets have no more images.

I have also edited the thread title with a warning to anyone who decides to click on the thread.





[edit on 20/0808/08 by neformore]



posted on Aug, 20 2008 @ 11:30 AM
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Thankyou as I would not click on any of the links and did my best to rush past any pictures posted missing the posts included. They may have had something good to say but I just cannot spend my morning looking at the horror of cruelty.



posted on Aug, 20 2008 @ 11:32 AM
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It makes me sick to imagine that people can kill an animal in such a brutal way, I imagine there are much more painless ways. I personally have no strong opinions for or against getting fur from animals but the way in which they do it in this story is definitely cruel.



posted on Aug, 20 2008 @ 11:46 AM
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Originally posted by snowen20

I strongly suspect I ate my friend and to this day I can honestly say damn my friend sure tasted great!!!


So, it's all a joke to you.






posted on Aug, 20 2008 @ 11:55 AM
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Originally posted by DeadFlagBlues
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Most the animals we consume go through severe pain, fear, and exhaustion.


I hear you! That needs to be improved, such that the slaughter process is more humane. I guess you'd still agree that flaying alive takes the bloody cake. That's just way out...



posted on Aug, 20 2008 @ 11:58 AM
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Originally posted by snowen20
how dramatic.

backs arched, paws scuffling in the grit, pesky fur just woudnt budge would it.

Im not for animal cruelty but there are bigger fish to fry.


thats one of the most insensitive things I have ever seen someone say/type, are you serious? i aint an animal lover myself but i would never harm any animal big or small and for you to say that just disgusts me, what goes around comes around and you really should learn some empathy for living things, just because they are animals makes no difference, its still a living form that is suffering at the hands of monsters, i really do think people that can do this kind of thing are demonic. i actually felt sick and disgusted to read the truth and chinese are well known for animal cruelty as well as far more sinister things they do with humans that would shock you even more.



posted on Aug, 20 2008 @ 12:00 PM
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Originally posted by TrueAmerican
This is so bad and bothers me so much, if I had to choose any thread I've ever posted since I've been here to make it very high on ATS, this would be it. It just ain't right, and someone over there needs to do something, like outlaw it bigtime. China just inconvenienced a whole lot of people to make conditions right for the Olympics. How about inconveniencing a few more TO STOP THIS INHUMANE BUTCHERING FOR THE ANIMALS SAKES!!!


I really couldn't agree more with what you said here, and do applaud you and every member who abhors this disgusting practice.

My husband once came across some videos of what has happened in China in regards to the animal cruelty of dogs and cats and I swear the one video I caught a few minutes of was the single most sickening thing I can recall ever seeing in my life time. It is beyond sick how they treat these poor creatures and made me very angry.

He watched them all, I don't know how he did it, but even he said he had never seen anything like it. He had no idea this went on.
I did, but I guess seeing it firsthand is an experience unto itself.

I don't care where you are from, how you were raised, or if your people did this for centuries before our time ... it's evil. 'Nuff said.

I just had to comment on this as much as the title alone sent shivers up my spine and actually caused my gag reflex to kick in

It really bothers me also.






[edit on 20-8-2008 by ImJaded]



posted on Aug, 20 2008 @ 12:07 PM
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All the blood and gore mixed with tears is one thing - but what’s all the sensationalist BS?

First -


...One woman in a .scarf is first to grab hold of the raccoon dog’s tail and the others drift away peevishly.


What? The couldn't get in on the kill? They wanted the .woman slam and slash position? They pulled the short straw that day? I mean what reason do these women have to slink off all grumpy for heaven’s sake?

The next part just makes me peevish it’s so ridiculous in it’s over the top groveling for sympathy.



Beside it lies another raccoon dog. Its four limbs have been hacked off but still it continues to yelp.


Look. I’ve been a backyard butcher all my life and I can tell you one thing from first hand experience. It’s nearly impossible to butcher an animal that’s already had it’s feet removed. You need the tendons in the wrist and ankles still intact. (I wont go into why - enough said). To think some woman, who’s more than likely been doing this all her life, would negligently and needlessly chop off all four feet of any food source, rendering it almost impossible to process, is more unthinkable to me, than the skinning alive.


Of course, some people become cold to their surroundings, jobs, their life.
Makes me wonder what kind of hell the woman lives in that she has to be a part of this menial industry.

As for you - do you really think it’s possible to go through life without hurting something, in this case an animal? Are you a Vegan? If so, what about the plants you’re ripping from mother earth to eat up? You can hear ‘em scream - just ask Peter Tompkins and Christopher Bird, The Secret Life of Plants.


Me? I love meat. I love to wear fur. I also love my animals. Because I’m not a sensationalist, and because I’m bloody well responsible about my actions and my mouth. I’m not going to cry *wolf* (*raccoon dog*) if I don’t take a look at myself first.
And I did.
Now? I don't eat any meat I haven't raised myself.
From little fuzzy wumpkin bunnies, to doe eyed calves, to yes, even horses (if one needs to be put down humanly, it goes in my freezer).
I take them, literally, from cradle, to grave to freezer. All with my 5”3 125lb little Irish hands. I’m also the one who pulls the trigger and slits their necks.
Why?
Because I’m not a hypocrite, I’m a realist.
Because I have respect, not just words I toot out my arse as I whine and cry over poor bambi.
Is it easy?
No. I’ve spent a great deal of my time and heart giving the animals the most ideal life I could, with all the love and attention any warm blooded animal needs.
Then, I make sure they don’t even see the bullet coming.
I shake and cry afterwards.
No, it isn’t easy, but I this out of respect for the animal, and love for my family and friends who love meat.

So until YOU can follow this good example and before you scarf another chicken nugget or put on a pair a leather boots?

Do not, I repeat DO NOT come down on these women who for all you know have no other way of feeding their children and themselves, at the cost of a little dog agony here and there.


By the way, mint is gross with lamb, I don't care what they say. Garlic and parsley all the way!


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posted on Aug, 20 2008 @ 12:15 PM
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Originally posted by whatukno

The point is, people kill animals for food.


But these animals are not killed for food. They are skinned alive for their FUR and then discarded still alive, some times still concious for up to 10 minutes. Discarded. Not used for anything else, but their skin. And there is no need for it, we have plenty of other resources for clothing - it's not like we're all naked and freezing in the snow trying to survive winter.

At least the canadians DO kill the seal pups before skinning them.

It all makes me sick to be honest.


Let us look at this in perspective.


Indeed.

I have refused to watch this video every time it has been posted on ogrish, along with all the other videos of humans cruelty. And it is cruelty.

When people had to kill their own food to survive, that was necessity.
When people had to skin their own clothes to survive, that was necessity.

When mass consumption opened a market for pre-packaged meat and fancy designer coats, people became lazy and necessity became luxury, where greed allowed cruelty as long as it was hidden away.

That is why we're in the situation we are today. Everyone is too used to buying meat in packets. Put the average joe in front of a cow and give him a sharp knife and tell him thats dinner, I doubt he could do it.

Certainly he would not know the first thing about preparing an animals skin to wear it, should he ever need to do so.

This mentality has taken away from most of us, our ability to survive outside of the consumer market.

I really do wish that armageddon would arrive, I see nothing in humanity worth while.



posted on Aug, 20 2008 @ 12:17 PM
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This tasty thread not only made me hungry, but reminded me of my only marketable skill.

I can catch a large catfish, skin it, fillet it (and get some NICE fillets) then release it back into the water to watch it swim away relativity unharmed (basically a spine and a gut sack with a . at that point.)

I'm not sure what happens next, but I presume that they regenerate the parts I harvested, because my favorite fishing hole has never ran out of catfish, and either they all look alike, or I have caught and filleted the same one several times, I think.

The best meat is fresh meat, of that I think we can all agree.

No kidding, my neighbor once killed a deer in his front yard, and made me a nice deerburger before the body had even assumed ambient temperature. In fact, after I ate the deerburger, I remember going walking over near the deer to relieve myself, only to find that it was still so fresh it had it's reflexes still working (you could kick or touch certain areas and it would still twitch...) That's what I call fresh meat. Now that I think about it, I don't think it was actually dead. I mean, the arrow pierced one of its lungs for sure, and maybe it was laying there in shock as he carved out a little tasty morsel to share with us, who knows and who cares, the deerburger was GREAT!!!.

Instead of whining about feeling bad for animals, you guys should be thankful your at the top of the food chain with me!!!!!!!!

MMMMMMMMMMEEEEEAAAAAAAATTTTTTT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I would say more, but I don't want anyone to think I am cruel to animals or anything.




[edit on 20-8-2008 by IgnoreTheFacts]



posted on Aug, 20 2008 @ 12:17 PM
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Originally posted by silo13
To think some woman, who’s more than likely been doing this all her life, would negligently and needlessly chop off all four feet of any food source


Fur source, they throw the carcas away.



posted on Aug, 20 2008 @ 12:18 PM
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Originally posted by silo13
All the blood and gore mixed with tears is one thing - but what’s all the sensationalist BS?

First -


Because I have respect, not just words I toot out my arse as I whine and cry over poor bambi.


I think the point of the thread is the lack of respect for the animal, at least give it the dignity to die quickly and as painlessly as possible. This just reeks of the same disgusting torture as the Japaneses dolphin slaughters.

Just ask the question, if you were to be killed would you like to go that way?

[edit on 20/8/2008 by spitefulgod]



posted on Aug, 20 2008 @ 12:24 PM
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No wonder your father left you as a child.



posted on Aug, 20 2008 @ 12:29 PM
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Well I used to take interest in your posts. Can't do that from ignore now..

Oh well, Im sure I won't miss anything enlightening.





posted on Aug, 20 2008 @ 12:34 PM
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You think it's only the Chinese who do this?



Many cows die on the way to slaughter, and those who survive are shot in the . with a bolt gun, hung up by their legs, and taken onto the killing floor, where their throats are cut and they are skinned. Some cows remain fully conscious throughout the entire process—according to one slaughterhouse worker, in an interview with the Washington Post, “they die piece by piece.”





As piglets, they are taken away from their mothers when they are less than 1 month old; their tails are cut off, some of their teeth are cut off, and the males have their testicles ripped out of their scrotums (castration), all without any pain relief. They spend their entire lives in overcrowded pens on a tiny slab of filthy concrete.




Breeding sows spend their entire miserable lives in tiny metal crates where they can't even turn around. Shortly after giving birth, they are once again forcibly impregnated. This cycle continues for years until their bodies finally give out and they are sent to be killed.


www.goveg.com...



posted on Aug, 20 2008 @ 12:49 PM
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Originally posted by IgnoreTheFacts
...who knows and who cares...


For the record, I am not squeamish about slaughter for food. But your post is ridiculous and strikes me as having been written by a 12 year old or someone near that maturity level.

It's one thing to defend the necessity of animal slaughter, but it's quite another to delight solely in the act itself out of amusement or entertainment. I think if your that kind of person, there is something seriously wrong with your ..


Butchering animals for food (or other consumer uses) and empathy for the demise of the animal are not necessarily incompatible concepts.


Originally posted by IgnoreTheFacts
Instead of whining about feeling bad for animals, you guys should be thankful your at the top of the food chain with me!!!!!!!!

MMMMMMMMMMEEEEEAAAAAAAATTTTTTT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


I think it's sad your post demonstrates a complete lack of understanding for why being at the "top of the food chain" has nothing do with those qualities that make us distinctly human.

*sigh*


Originally posted by IgnoreTheFacts
I would say more, but I don't want anyone to think I am cruel to animals or anything.


As I've already explained, I think your post says something altogether more disturbing than that.


[edit on 20-8-2008 by loam]




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