September of '08 -- Just Listen.

Originally posted by DisgustedOne
reply to post by jtma508

 

Thanks for the clarification. But this now raises another question in my mind - If we propose that normalcy can be either positive or negative and change can be either positive or negative (positive being desirable, negative being undesirable?), then it seems that all we are doing is predicting that SOMETHING will happen in Sept.

Exactly.

But a BIG thing based on the wave. Good OR bad. Maybe the Olympics will be spectacular, perhaps the LHC will discover wonders...perhaps the stock market will crash...

I *never* made any, ANY specific predictions as to place/nature of the event--only that it will happen and send us into a sharp and swift decline into "connected-ness, non-usual-ness"

I just wanted to point this out to the ATS intelligent folk to ponder, and simply "be aware of".

I will be here after the set week or so this is going to happen -- and I will gladly (with a sigh of relief if nothing bad happened) say I was wrong.

I honestly think the ancient Indochinese were much more tied to their environment/nature than we are today.

Why do we bring fire indoors (fireplaces) why do we go camping? Nature is in our genetic memory somehow -- at least for many of us.

I believe that the ancient Chinese saw time in fractal patterns -- not unlike that of the Maya.

Terence McKenna had NO idea that the Mayan Calendar would end on the exact date his wave does. His wave-form was calculated at least 5 years before the first Mayan Codex was translated.

How do two vastly different ancient cultures both see Dec. 21st, 2012 (in our calendar system) as some "singularity"?

Terence noticed that the oldest arrangement of the I Ching was artificial in it's arrangement -- he studied deeper -- if you read what I have posted, and then study a little bit about the Mayan calendar -- you'll see similarities.

It's interesting to me that "through the eyes" of different people, similar -- yet different information was gleaned.

[edit on 24-7-2008 by MystikMushroom]

Here is a video about Terence McKenna's own words/thoughts about "Habit vs. Novelty"

It's a "new" idea (vs. black and white) to come to understand -- but I hope this video will help!

I guess what I'm trying to convey tonight (as I am much to busy to work w/the wave right now)

Is that this man was NOT an idiot. He had several, more than 5 published books. (i know, being published does not mean intelligence...yak yak)...

Listen to him explain his thoughts and theories. This is not some "guy" -- but a graduate at Berkley University. His brother, Dennis is now a professor of "Ethno-Pharmocology" at the University of Vancouver, BC.

This man knew/saw more than most here on the boards (including myself) -- and perhaps that's why his ideas seem "alien" or "out there" to most.

Putting together pieces of a puzzle so large we all cannot grasp is what this man did -- and I believe he actually died because of it.

He died of a very, VERY rare form of brain cancer than less than 100 world-wide a year suffer from.

People that attract "unique-ness" around themselves tend to fall rather fast. Look at all of the characters in history that shaped/changed our world.

This man held a key to a much larger puzzle -- I am trying to rapidly study as much as I can about what he learned from the early 70's to his death.

Call me a "Terence-Bot" ...
*fake robot voice* "erm, i love terence mckenna"

Whatever, this man really did see things on a larger dimension than most of us can/will -- ever.

From my OP:

hold me accountable in October. IMO, S will HTF in some "way" in September.

What I mean by that is that something (S) will hit the fan (aka "novelty")

So yes, I still stand behind the wave and what I said.

[edit on 24-7-2008 by MystikMushroom]

Originally posted by MystikMushroom
I guess what I'm trying to convey tonight (as I am much to busy to work w/the wave right now)

Is that this man was NOT an idiot. He had several, more than 5 published books. (i know, being published does not mean intelligence...yak yak)...

[edit on 24-7-2008 by MystikMushroom]

Did someone call Terrence an idiot ?!!!!.... Let me at 'im.... just joking

Terrence McKenna was controversial but a brilliant man....part of the problem in communicating his ideas is that folk are use to things being easily digestible sound-bites of information...when you say the word "prediction" people have a certain expectation that is not fulfilled by novelty theory because novelty theory requires you to think differently about time and the meaning of culture...thats a tall order...but kudos to you because you have been extremely gracious in trying to present the theory and your take on it...I am looking forward to August and September with great enthuisasm

Could you do a screen shot of the first graph and not a photo.
And add lines or something...
Scale definitely seems off.


Your other graphs do nothing to help....

Originally posted by realshanti

Originally posted by MystikMushroom
I guess what I'm trying to convey tonight (as I am much to busy to work w/the wave right now)

Is that this man was NOT an idiot. He had several, more than 5 published books. (i know, being published does not mean intelligence...yak yak)...

[edit on 24-7-2008 by MystikMushroom]

Did someone call Terrence an idiot ?!!!!....

Let me at 'im.... just joking

Terrence McKenna was controversial but a brilliant man....part of the problem in communicating his ideas is that folk are use to things being easily digestible sound-bites of information...when you say the word "prediction" people have a certain expectation that is not fulfilled by novelty theory because novelty theory requires you to think differently about time and the meaning of culture...thats a tall order...but kudos to you because you have been extremely gracious in trying to present the theory and your take on it...I am looking forward to August and September with great enthuisasm

Ah...I never believed you personally thought of him as an "idiot" -- I just read more negative posts by people here (that seem to rack up the page count) to make myself want to "take a stand", if you will.

Indeed, he was an eccentric man. Most men that history records as being quote, "prodigies" are of that social order.

We tend to never notice them until they are dead. Their legacy, however, seems to resonate and carry them on.

Many people on a personal level found Sir Issac Newton to be a total asshole, recluse, and complete nutjob.

Nowadays -- we revere him.

I believe this to be true for T. McKenna as well.

Originally posted by ThatsJustWeird
Could you do a screen shot of the first graph and not a photo.
And add lines or something...
Scale definitely seems off.


Your other graphs do nothing to help....

If some computer wizz here could tell me how to take a screen shot of my DOS program (I don't like the Java calculator at all) into windows -- I'd be happy to do so.

I understand how crappy the images are, and I personally apologize.

I've tried 3rd party programs and everything I know -- but using a digital camera to my LCD is the only thing that seems to work. It's time consuming and stressful.

Perhaps using Linux? (ive never used it before) might help?

Originally posted by MystikMushroom

Originally posted by ThatsJustWeird
Could you do a screen shot of the first graph and not a photo.
And add lines or something...
Scale definitely seems off.


Your other graphs do nothing to help....

If some computer wizz here could tell me how to take a screen shot of my DOS program (I don't like the Java calculator at all) into windows -- I'd be happy to do so.

I understand how crappy the images are, and I personally apologize.

I've tried 3rd party programs and everything I know -- but using a digital camera to my LCD is the only thing that seems to work. It's time consuming and stressful.

Perhaps using Linux? (ive never used it before) might help?

The program won't run from a command prompt in Windows? Or does it force "Full screen mode"? Running it from within Windows Alt+Enter is the standard key combo to switch full to windowed and back. If it works in windowed mode Alt+PrtScr should do the trick then. Maybe you've been through this already but I'm just saying how I'd go about it.

[edit on 7/25/2008 by EnlightenUp]

Originally posted by MystikMushroom

Originally posted by DisgustedOne
reply to post by jtma508

 

Thanks for the clarification. But this now raises another question in my mind - If we propose that normalcy can be either positive or negative and change can be either positive or negative (positive being desirable, negative being undesirable?), then it seems that all we are doing is predicting that SOMETHING will happen in Sept.

Exactly.

But a BIG thing based on the wave. Good OR bad. Maybe the Olympics will be spectacular, perhaps the LHC will discover wonders...perhaps the stock market will crash...

I *never* made any, ANY specific predictions as to place/nature of the event--only that it will happen and send us into a sharp and swift decline into "connected-ness, non-usual-ness"

[edit on 24-7-2008 by MystikMushroom]

I've got that down now. And I don't have a problem with this. This thread is my first exposure to this theory. I think what most people on the board have a problem with is the non-specific nature of the "event". We have all come to expect a little more doom from our prophets than you have provided. It's all just a little too vague for a conspiracy forum. Personally, and spiritually, I am prepared for whatever may come, whenever it may come. And don't be discouraged - I am sure SOMETHING will happen in September.

I agree that it would be great if a system existed to predict detailed events. But if that were possible it would require that events are on a pre-scripted timeline. That all events have already been determined. I don't believe the universe works that way and I think most would agree.

However, I do believe that there are cycles/currents/ripples in the universe and we are affected collectively and individually by them. Our bodies have fantastically complex cycles built-in: some unique to us personally and some species consistent. Is it not reasonable that these universal cycles have an effect on our collective behavior? This concept is ubiquitous:

To everything there is a season,
and a time to every purpose under the heaven:
A time to be born, and a time to die;
a time to plant, and a time to pluck up that which is planted;
A time to kill, and a time to heal;
a time to break down, and a time to build up...

Ecclesiastes 3

Not having a specific event to predict may, at first, seem to diminish the usefulness of timewave. But consider the impact a dramatic change (of any sort) would have on your life. Knowing that something --- anything --- is about to happen that will significantly change the status quo is, I feel, very important information. Any change, good or bad, will disrupt all of our day-to-day in a major way. Be prepared.







[edit on 25-7-2008 by jtma508]

You're OP asks for feedback, so I am providing some:

As others have said - until the software and use of said software can actually predict something specific it's useless.

Something is going to happen? Of course something is. Looking back on History and plugging in events - in pure hindsight - does not equal a predictive model.

What are the hurdles something has to pass before it's an note-worthy event? Meaning Ramsey and FLT 800 are considered equal? If not, then you're plugging in random events as "proof".

I think the data points would have to mirror (or at least resemble each other) in scope and magnitude.

Not being convinced does not equal having a "closed mind". It means I'm not convinced. If you want to write me off as dense (as you have others) that's fine. But then that begs the question: why ask for feedback, then name-call the feedback you don't care for?

If it's a serious endeavor, then constructive criticism should be welcomed, validated and incorporated into the model.

reply to post by MystikMushroom


wow, this is quite a scary thought...and also very interested. If this thing is right....

Originally posted by jtma508

Not having a specific event to predict may, at first, seem to diminish the usefulness of timewave. But consider the impact a dramatic change (of any sort) would have on your life. Knowing that something --- anything --- is about to happen that will significantly change the status quo is, I feel, very important information. Any change, good or bad, will disrupt all of our day-to-day in a major way. Be prepared.

[edit on 25-7-2008 by jtma508]

Yes, true, but only partially so. Good change tends to enhance our day-to-day, but bad change will definitely disrupt.

Originally posted by SlightlyAbovePar

What are the hurdles something has to pass before it's an note-worthy event? Meaning Ramsey and FLT 800 are considered equal? If not, then you're plugging in random events as "proof".

I think the data points would have to mirror (or at least resemble each other) in scope and magnitude.

Perhaps we have to look with a more open mind to see "similarity."

Superficially, a child being killed, or a plane going down are very different. Both are not particularly "novel," in the sense that many children are killed, and other planes have gone down.

What if, though, the novelty was in the way these events were perceived by the mass of humanity? The way the media focused its "eye" on the events and made what should be a personal (in the case of Jon Benet) or a reasonably small scale event (a couple of hundred people in a crash) suddenly reverberate in the minds of millions almost instantly? Much like 9-11 did? When in history have we had the ability to transmit thoughts, images and consequently, emotions so quickly and thoroughly throughout the collective consciousness?

I am not saying that that is in fact the similarity that places those two events together. Only that it could be, or it could be something none of us has yet noticed. Just because the similarity is not one that is easily recognized, doesnt mean one doesnt exist.

It does mean we may have to look deeper, past the physical circumstances alone. Or perhaps consider "physical" in a broader sense that includes its wider impact on others as well as the event itself.

[edit on 26-7-2008 by Illusionsaregrander]

Thanks for the replies!

Like I said -- I'm not going anywhere...I'll still be digging this thread out from the depths of ATS for months to come on a near-daily basis.

Can everyone just watch the last video I posted on this page? It's Terence McKenna in his own words describing habit vs. novelty.

It might answer many questions, or illicit more!

He does such a better job than I could ever hope to explaining his theories.

So I guess...all has been said on this topic?

Has no one else found the entire theory of novelty vs. habit intriguing?

Personally, I can't wait for the end of August and September!

Something, IMO that will change the way we live our so-called "normal" lives will have changed.

I will still be here. All are welcome to tar and feather me

I guess either this topic will be revived IF something happens, or it doesn't to hold me accountable. I was just really enjoying the discussions based around the theory of the timewave/novelty.

Hey, if we've all said what we feel -- then cool. I'll either see this thread revived by skeptics, or revived by others in about a month or two.

reply to post by caitlinfae

So....thinking loud here...maybe the 2012 date is all about a massive and total collective shift in consciousness....not death and destruction at all as some people fear, although I have other intensely personal reasons for knowing destruction isn't facing us...maybe the 2012 date is about us knowing who we are, where we came from and how to use our consciousness fully to live happily, create, travel, heal, communicate....maybe....an intense moment of realisation that we all experience that will change how we live and co-habit the earth....

I agree, Free energy will begin, and we will get out from underneath the elite who have owned us as debt slaves. We will work less and have more time to put toward personal growth.

[edit on 27-7-2008 by Swingarm]

reply to post by MystikMushroom


Is he the same guy on coasttocaostam who said that mushrooms are Christmas presents under a Christmas tree? That bloomers shaped our very perceptions about life? That guy?

reply to post by MystikMushroom


Thanks for posting that video, I watched the entire dissemination.

I agree about novelty. What he is saying is that life, nature, is so brutal, and it is a miracle that any of us are even here. And that is what everyone has gotten away from. Everyone now is entitled, and you have people going places and doing stupid things...and people die. Rafting trips, climbing a ladder, getting into a car accident...we all don't realize how quick nature is to suck us back in. That is why I've always like Joseph Conrad.

Thanks again for posting the video, this whole thread, its been fun.

Great thread!

I just did a brief net search for the software and it appears that it is not freeware but actually copyrighted. Is there a freeware version out there? Does anyone have a link to the download?

If it is only available in copyrighted form I'd say that's a bit odd. I would think Terrance would have wanted all of us to use it. Of couse he IS dead and as such doesn't recieve anything for it. I'm not suggesting breaking the law, I'm just saying...

Vas